Miscellaneous Umiak/misc. races question-and-answer thread

[kyosanim]

Space piracy doesn't work very well unless it has a state sponsor, in which case it's not really piracy, but commerce raiding. And commerce raiding doesn't work very well in a war situation, since you don't normally have access to shipping that's behind enemy lines. In a peacetime situation, it doesn't take very long for the target nation to figure out who's funding the pirates, so it won't remain peacetime for very long. I can imagine that Umiak warships may have harassed shipping of the nations they were trying to coerce into joining the Hierarchy, by stopping and "searching" them and generally giving them a hard time.

The Umiak don't have a strong tradition of sailing; Umiak bodies are heavier than water, so they can't swim. The Hal-tik Umiak in particular (from whom the modern Umiak are most directly descended) had a deep fear of the ocean.

In ancient times the Hal-tik were the nomadic equivalent of the steppes barbarians to the Imperial China of the related Tizik-tik, so if barbarian-style raiding of settlements counts as piracy, then yes... they did a lot of that.

Historically state sponsor piracy was a thing and was used extensively by some countries against rival countries. But instead of pirates they usually go by the name of privateers.

[Arioch]

Question how did the umiaki see the world without their augmented hardtrooper gear is it a wide spectrum of colors and shapes or various shapes that allow them to spot something and keep it in their sights like some predators?

The Umiak have three sets of eyes, so their vision is varied. They're not compound eyes; each eye has a single lens. The single primary eye in the front can focus well on objects in front and has good low-light sensitivity. The pair of eyes on each side of the head give good peripheral vision but can't focus well. The four minor eyes don't see well, and are there mainly so the the Umiak can see what's going on in its mandibles as it's eating. So what the Umiak perceives is a wide panorama with only the front portion of it in sharp focus.

It gets some stereo vision from the side eyes, but it's not as accurate as an organism with two main eyes.

[CrimsonFALKE]

I would love to see Umiaki vision first hand then,

[Bamax]

Just curious if the Umiak trying this on a few Loroi not content with Loroi society status quo could in theory work?




Surely there are some Loroi males susceptible to such an offer. Perhaps someone more like... Dukat than Sisko, as obviously Weyoun made him the same offer and he totally accepted it later on.




Plus I don't know how good Umiak are at genetics, but given they took over Seren for some years and their monomania, you'd think they could make basic Loroi clones to use as sleeper agents.

Basic clones that don't retain memories but if raised from birth by Umiak could totally be sleeper agents. Blow up a ship here or there, kill the original, insert clone and chalk up memory loss to being blow out a vessel in war.

[Arioch]

Just curious if the Umiak trying this on a few Loroi not content with Loroi society status quo could in theory work?

Surely there are some Loroi males susceptible to such an offer. Perhaps someone more like... Dukat than Sisko, as obviously Weyoun made him the same offer and he totally accepted it later on.

I'm not sure how the Umiak could make such an offer in the first place, since there is no FTL communication or regular contact between Umiak and Loroi civilians, and Loroi males and civilians aren't regularly conducting special ops in the neutral zone... but even if they could, I don't see how anyone who felt marginalized enough to want to help the enemy exterminate their own species would have enough authority to make a significant difference in the outcome of the war.

[Snoofman]

Just curious if the Umiak trying this on a few Loroi not content with Loroi society status quo could in theory work?




Surely there are some Loroi males susceptible to such an offer. Perhaps someone more like... Dukat than Sisko, as obviously Weyoun made him the same offer and he totally accepted it later on.




Plus I don't know how good Umiak are at genetics, but given they took over Seren for some years and their monomania, you'd think they could make basic Loroi clones to use as sleeper agents.

Basic clones that don't retain memories but if raised from birth by Umiak could totally be sleeper agents. Blow up a ship here or there, kill the original, insert clone and chalk up memory loss to being blow out a vessel in war.

Plus I don't know how good Umiak are at genetics, but given they took over Seren for some years and their monomania, you'd think they could make basic Loroi clones to use as sleeper agents.

Basic clones that don't retain memories but if raised from birth by Umiak could totally be sleeper agents. Blow up a ship here or there, kill the original, insert clone and chalk up memory loss to being blow out a vessel in war.
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Feasible I admit. But problematic. First off, if my understanding is correct, each loroi gives off a distinct telepathic signature. So even if such a clone has all the memories and thought patterns downloaded into its brain, it doesn't possess the same spirit that distinguishes each loroi from each other. Plus, once such sleeper unit is 'activated', it seems clear that the clone's loroi peers would get wiser, especially if such a clone has weak mental defences.

On top of that, I'm not sure if either the loroi or umiak have the know-how to download neural information. Hell we can't. And in Outsider-verse, humans are catching up technologically faster than most other races. The closest thing the loroi have to such tech is sanzai itself, and even they don't know how it works.

[Arioch]

Any Loroi who have been under the Umiak sphere of influence (such as on occupied worlds) have been flagged as security risks; they are under strict surveillance and travel restrictions. The Umiak can and have placed agents among the survivors of ocupation.

[Bamax]

Any Loroi who have been under the Umiak sphere of influence (such as on occupied worlds) have been flagged as security risks; they are under strict surveillance and travel restrictions. The Umiak can and have placed agents among the survivors of ocupation.

As in disaffected, disloyal Loroi who are risking their lives against tge Loroi status quo?

Or Loroi who are not their former selves anymore? Or perhaps they are? Just need a single trigger to activate their sleeper agent role?

[Arioch]

Any Loroi who have been under the Umiak sphere of influence (such as on occupied worlds) have been flagged as security risks; they are under strict surveillance and travel restrictions. The Umiak can and have placed agents among the survivors of ocupation.

As in disaffected, disloyal Loroi who are risking their lives against tge Loroi status quo?

Or Loroi who are not their former selves anymore? Or perhaps they are? Just need a single trigger to activate their sleeper agent role?

Those who experienced Umiak occupation firsthand know that the endgame for the Umiak is to exterminate the Loroi as a species. I don't think there are going to be very many Quislings who think genocide is a good way to change the status quo.

The parting gifts left by the departing Umiak occupation forces among the surviving Loroi included:

• Loroi captives who had been mentally broken, left with compulsive instructions to cause mayhem
• Loroi captives with implanted mechanical or biological weapons
• Gene-tailored Loroi children birthed in Umiak labs and raised/trained to perform certain covert tasks
• Loroi meat-puppets driven by cybernetic or Umiak brains
• Umiak surgically altered to appear sort of like Loroi

Remember that spies have no way to get information from Loroi to Umiak territory, so covert plants have limited use aside from general sabotage and psychological warfare.

[Bamax]

Any Loroi who have been under the Umiak sphere of influence (such as on occupied worlds) have been flagged as security risks; they are under strict surveillance and travel restrictions. The Umiak can and have placed agents among the survivors of ocupation.

As in disaffected, disloyal Loroi who are risking their lives against tge Loroi status quo?

Or Loroi who are not their former selves anymore? Or perhaps they are? Just need a single trigger to activate their sleeper agent role?

Those who experienced Umiak occupation firsthand know that the endgame for the Umiak is to exterminate the Loroi as a species. I don't think there are going to be very many Quislings who think genocide is a good way to change the status quo.

The parting gifts left by the departing Umiak occupation forces among the surviving Loroi included:

• Loroi captives who had been mentally broken, left with compulsive instructions to cause mayhem
• Loroi captives with implanted mechanical or biological weapons
• Gene-tailored Loroi children birthed in Umiak labs and raised/trained to perform certain covert tasks
• Loroi meat-puppets driven by cybernetic or Umiak brains
• Umiak surgically altered to appear sort of like Loroi

Remember that spies have no way to get information from Loroi to Umiak territory, so covert plants have limited use aside from general sabotage and psychological warfare.

And I suppose the Loroi play the same game?

'Dave' is Umiak body with Loroi brains?

I know you can't do spoilers LOL, I am just thinking out loud.


But that's rather harsh, so it's more or less against tgeir will.

I can only suppose that the Loroi would use the same tactics, if not Loroi brains, since they seem more adverse to body modding than the bugs, then perhaps one of their clients races?

Looks like all options are on the table and ethics have been totally thrown out the window as a hindrance for both sides.

[Ithekro]

Unlike the Umiak, the Loroi have never rally entered the enemy's territory, nor taken any of their worlds. So the Loroi wouldn't have much access to agents, nor ways to get them into enemy space.

[Bamax]

Unlike the Umiak, the Loroi have never rally entered the enemy's territory, nor taken any of their worlds. So the Loroi wouldn't have much access to agents, nor ways to get them into enemy space.

Blown up ships galore. Just ask Stillstorm.

It can BE ARRANGED!

[GeoModder]

Unlike the Umiak, the Loroi have never rally entered the enemy's territory, nor taken any of their worlds. So the Loroi wouldn't have much access to agents, nor ways to get them into enemy space.

A returning ship from a Khalkha Division maybe?

[Arioch]

The Loroi have captured plenty of Umiak soldiers alive (as Tempo demonstrated, it's really not that hard), but not only are these soldiers uncooperative (when not under direct mind-control), but they know very little about Umiak society, government or essentially anything else not directly related to their jobs.

The Loroi have never encountered a "civilian" Umiak, if such a thing even exists.

[Bamax]

The Loroi have captured plenty of Umiak soldiers alive (as Tempo demonstrated, it's really not that hard), but not only are these soldiers uncooperative (when not under direct mind-control), but they know very little about Umiak society, government or essentially anything else not directly related to their jobs.

The Loroi have never encountered a "civilian" Umiak, if such a thing even exists.

Eyes and ears and booby traps. Maybe hiding an AM bomb in one of the hard troopers?

Messing up Umiak who know nothing can still give valuable intel if they mess with them enough to make them a drone and report back.

Even of not, one AM bomb carrying hardtrooper ealks aboard a heavy warship and boom!

Easiest long range kill ever.

[Dan Wyatt]

The Loroi have captured plenty of Umiak soldiers alive (as Tempo demonstrated, it's really not that hard), but not only are these soldiers uncooperative (when not under direct mind-control), but they know very little about Umiak society, government or essentially anything else not directly related to their jobs.

The Loroi have never encountered a "civilian" Umiak, if such a thing even exists.

Eyes and ears and booby traps. Maybe hiding an AM bomb in one of the hard troopers?

Messing up Umiak who know nothing can still give valuable intel if they mess with them enough to make them a drone and report back.

Even of not, one AM bomb carrying hardtrooper ealks aboard a heavy warship and boom!

Easiest long range kill ever.

I think an AMB is too large to be fit into a shell. A small fission device would do the trick.

[Krulle]

I think the umiak don't ever go "back".
Except for "The Stray", the Umiak go outward.
They are born within their empire, educated and outfitted to do war tasks, and conquer.
If they ever get back, that means there is nothing to conquer in the direction they've been sent anymore.

So, they only get back to refuel/restock, and back to the frontier, where they either die, or win, conquer a planet, occupy it, and then move on to the next conquering target.

[GeoModder]

I think the umiak don't ever go "back".
Except for "The Stray", the Umiak go outward.
They are born within their empire, educated and outfitted to do war tasks, and conquer.
If they ever get back, that means there is nothing to conquer in the direction they've been sent anymore.

So, they only get back to refuel/restock, and back to the frontier, where they either die, or win, conquer a planet, occupy it, and then move on to the next conquering target.

Well, our Stray went back even with the whole Loroi Union still in front of it. And the Umiak Hierarchy appearantly goes as far as to nurture those few thinking/acting outside the lines. I mean, the Stray is now in charge of a whole fleet with a disproportional number of 'heavies' attached to it.

[Krulle]

Exactly. Those able to think about a situation, and not maniacally trotting on and getting killed, is a very valuable resource the Umiak seem to be in short supply of.
At least among soldiers....

[Demarquis]

Can't Loroi telepathically inspect each other? I don't see how a Loroi spy (that is, a Loroi spying on other Loroi) could possibly operate.