Re: Zumwalt: Stealth and Armor in Modern Naval Combat
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:19 am
pinhead: starting think people are dissing my ideas just cause it is me putting them forward.
#1 & 3 on the antenna, never said radar, never said equal to primary coms, i said backup to communicate with sensor drones(useful if the ship has sustained multiple hits and sensors and coms are down due to damage, both are targets for Anti Radiation targeting, and likely to get hit by missiles), those drones can be high up, them being a hundred km away(not that you would want them that far away in most cases.) can still be 'line of sight' so yes, it could bloody well work.
and what does the armor change? the antenna i proposed is ON the armor, multiple redundant inlay antennas on each facing means that yes, it COULD receive and send from all sides, question is if the metal armor would interfere or not, if so you would need have some distance and my first thought on this was effectively inside the railing, which easily could be non magnetic.
#2 & 4: so you are saying there has been no improvement in armor science since WW2 and thicker slabs of simple RHA steel is the most effective armoring method ever? i don't believe so.
and i agree with sen's arguments, i did not have any good numbers on penetration ability of those weapons, he found them, which leads to needing pretty thick armor, and thereby only applicable for really big ships.
although i still think layered less thick armor(the 2 inch everywhere idea) could work pretty well.
#5 those 20mm rounds(actually a 15mm sabot, but that is nitpicking) would have plenty of kinetic energy, yes, and penetration ability, yes, both enhanced by combined velocities, yes, but this is 183cm(six feet, which incidentally is the same length as my own not so humble self) of bleeping steel, 1830mm(which incidentally is about twice the RHA equivalent of the M1 turret with SEP upgrade.) although perhaps not RHA it is however hardened steel, at least for the AP version.
note, the M61(which is the gun the phalanx CIWS is based on)with best AP rounds defeats 12.5mm RHA, double that for the sub caliber penetrator used, double it again due to non perfect armoring, and a third time for meeting velocities, and you are still about 1730mm short of going straight through, at this point you might understand my claim of uncertainty about how much damage the itty bitty round will do.
heck, a M1 Abrams main gun might have trouble going 'through' under those circumstances, since the shell in questing is quite angled to boot, making a glancing shot probable.
#1 & 3 on the antenna, never said radar, never said equal to primary coms, i said backup to communicate with sensor drones(useful if the ship has sustained multiple hits and sensors and coms are down due to damage, both are targets for Anti Radiation targeting, and likely to get hit by missiles), those drones can be high up, them being a hundred km away(not that you would want them that far away in most cases.) can still be 'line of sight' so yes, it could bloody well work.
and what does the armor change? the antenna i proposed is ON the armor, multiple redundant inlay antennas on each facing means that yes, it COULD receive and send from all sides, question is if the metal armor would interfere or not, if so you would need have some distance and my first thought on this was effectively inside the railing, which easily could be non magnetic.
#2 & 4: so you are saying there has been no improvement in armor science since WW2 and thicker slabs of simple RHA steel is the most effective armoring method ever? i don't believe so.
and i agree with sen's arguments, i did not have any good numbers on penetration ability of those weapons, he found them, which leads to needing pretty thick armor, and thereby only applicable for really big ships.
although i still think layered less thick armor(the 2 inch everywhere idea) could work pretty well.
#5 those 20mm rounds(actually a 15mm sabot, but that is nitpicking) would have plenty of kinetic energy, yes, and penetration ability, yes, both enhanced by combined velocities, yes, but this is 183cm(six feet, which incidentally is the same length as my own not so humble self) of bleeping steel, 1830mm(which incidentally is about twice the RHA equivalent of the M1 turret with SEP upgrade.) although perhaps not RHA it is however hardened steel, at least for the AP version.
note, the M61(which is the gun the phalanx CIWS is based on)with best AP rounds defeats 12.5mm RHA, double that for the sub caliber penetrator used, double it again due to non perfect armoring, and a third time for meeting velocities, and you are still about 1730mm short of going straight through, at this point you might understand my claim of uncertainty about how much damage the itty bitty round will do.
heck, a M1 Abrams main gun might have trouble going 'through' under those circumstances, since the shell in questing is quite angled to boot, making a glancing shot probable.