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RedDwarfIV wrote:

CaptainChaos wrote:

fredgiblet wrote:The real issue is that the EU is mostly very tightly packed with stuff happening all over the galaxy with all the main characters (even some of the dead ones), so they basically have three choices. Make movies based exclusively off of the EU, completely ignore the EU, or ignore the EU for the most part but cherry pick stories/characters that they think are really good.

Well Disney / Abrams have already said that they are completely ignoring the EU and making all of the expanded universe discontinuity (basically, if it was in the original 6 movies or the new rebels cartoon, it's out. *sigh* goodbye Thrawn trilogy). They've said this is it give them freedom while making this film, but the actual reason is that while Disney now owns the star wars universe; the EU characters, EU storylines, etc... were created by the individual writers so if Disney/Abrams wanted to use them they'd have to credit the individual writer (and probably royalties as well, but this would be chump change for a big budget Hollywood film)

Actually... you see, those writers have to sign a waiver that says for the honour of having a character be in the Star Wars setting, whoever owns Star Wars can do whatever they want with that character or the plots the writer comes up with, and they don't have to give the writer a thing for it.

Or at least, that's what someone on a forum I frequent said.

DoroApodeus wrote:Part of the contract for writers of Star Wars material is that they sign all the rights of the material over to Lucasfilm. They get paid for sales of their book, but no one has to pay them - or even ask them - to use their characters or creations. Even if they do a direct page-to-screen port of a Star Wars novel, they don't have to involve the author or pay him/her a dime.

Not surprised to hear that they'd have to sign a waiver regarding future payments, but I think the main reasons they want to get rid of the EU is so they don't have to recognize the existing EU writers and more importantly give their own writers a job writing new star wars stories (I mean they have all these writers on staff drawing salaries, why use other writers' work, just keep it all in house)

It also allows them to change things that they disagree with. The Extended Universe writers wrote a LOT of material in the time after the movies. Ten, twenty, thirty years out or so. That covered a hell of a lot of things happening. With all of that not null and void, that opens up the future of Star Wars to being unknown again and allows for the writers to write a new future.

many cloned storm troopers were not clones of jango anymore, they were cloned from many other templates, though some of the jango clones did remain. But most stormtroopers were recruits from the populace later in the war. Interestingly enough many of the jango clones considered the rest of the corps incompetent idiots.

wasp609 wrote:many cloned storm troopers were not clones of jango anymore, they were cloned from many other templates, though some of the jango clones did remain. But most stormtroopers were recruits from the populace later in the war. Interestingly enough many of the jango clones considered the rest of the corps incompetent idiots.

Well, considering most of the Troopers in episodes 4, 5 and 6 would have trouble hitting the broadside of a Star Destroyer at point-blank range, I can see why the Jango-clones would think that.

Mr Bojangles wrote:Well, considering most of the Troopers in episodes 4, 5 and 6 would have trouble hitting the broadside of a Star Destroyer at point-blank range, I can see why the Jango-clones would think that.

Not this again.

Mr Bojangles wrote:

wasp609 wrote:many cloned storm troopers were not clones of jango anymore, they were cloned from many other templates, though some of the jango clones did remain. But most stormtroopers were recruits from the populace later in the war. Interestingly enough many of the jango clones considered the rest of the corps incompetent idiots.

Well, considering most of the Troopers in episodes 4, 5 and 6 would have trouble hitting the broadside of a Star Destroyer at point-blank range, I can see why the Jango-clones would think that.

well it can be taken two ways, done for effect in the film or they are idiots. though i think they are just idiots. another thing if the jedi can sense bad things why didnt they sense the clones turning.

IIRC the official answer is that the Jedi feel things like anger and hate. The clones didn't hate the Jedi or feel anger towards them, they were simply following an order without particular feeling.

wasp609 wrote:

Mr Bojangles wrote:

wasp609 wrote:many cloned storm troopers were not clones of jango anymore, they were cloned from many other templates, though some of the jango clones did remain. But most stormtroopers were recruits from the populace later in the war. Interestingly enough many of the jango clones considered the rest of the corps incompetent idiots.

Well, considering most of the Troopers in episodes 4, 5 and 6 would have trouble hitting the broadside of a Star Destroyer at point-blank range, I can see why the Jango-clones would think that.

well it can be taken two ways, done for effect in the film or they are idiots. though i think they are just idiots. another thing if the jedi can sense bad things why didnt they sense the clones turning.

Since Kenobi makes a point of saying that Imperial troops are known for being precise, I think one has to assume that they're constantly missing the heroes because it's Hollywood, and not because they're supposed to be incompetent. The stormtroopers boarding the Tantive IV didn't seem to have any trouble slaughtering the rebel defenders, so if the Imperial troops are incompetent, then the rebels must be even more so.

actually, episode 4, how exactly do you follow someone that you have put a tracking device on if they are all dead? the troopers had orders to let them get away.

Arioch wrote:Since Kenobi makes a point of saying that Imperial troops are known for being precise, I think one has to assume that they're constantly missing the heroes because it's Hollywood, and not because they're supposed to be incompetent. The stormtroopers boarding the Tantive IV didn't seem to have any trouble slaughtering the rebel defenders, so if the Imperial troops are incompetent, then the rebels must be even more so.

discord wrote:actually, episode 4, how exactly do you follow someone that you have put a tracking device on if they are all dead? the troopers had orders to let them get away.

So, Selective Plot-driven Incompetence. Because, yeah, those Troopers helped conquer and hold a galaxy, and they weren't always tracking the plucky heroes. They had to be professional at least some of the time.

Makes sense. As they said, stormies totally run over the rebels in the Tantive IV and put them on the defensive for years following Yavin IV. And kick ass in the invasion of Hoth. This is a supportable theory. And then: Ewoks.

Seriously, at the end of the day its not the Rebels or even the Jedi that destroy the Empire. Its the Care Bears. /sigh

Return of the Jedi is the weakest of the trilogy in nearly every respect. It's the movie in which you first start to suspect that Lucas was not quite the genius that everyone thought he was.

Query, what do you think was the weakest scene of the weakest episode? Had to be the bridge scene with Luke and Leia right? Lets make a trailer featuring it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCc2v7izk8w

I have trouble finding fault with RotJ, possibly because I was so young when I first saw it. I can see why people have problems with the things they do, but at the very least all the character stuff seems very solid to this day. That trailer works perfectly fine to me, with the weakest points in my mind being the spectacle. My jaded mind has trouble accepting some if it these days.

Return of the Jedi was good, especially when compared to the newer triology, but I think it falls a little flat in terms of characterization, compared with the first two movies. In particular, I didn't like the way Darth Vader was portrayed. In Empire Strike Back, Vader is a terrifying figure... a menace even to his own side, whether he's executing subordinates or plotting the overthrow of the Emperor. In some ways this is over the top, but I think it illustrates the fearsome power of the Dark Side of the Force. The thought that went through my mind when Vader revealed that he was Luke's father was this: the Dark Side has the power to make a father try to kill his own son without any shred of remorse... it's truly something to be feared. In A New Hope, the Dark Side is an abstract concept, but in Empire it becomes visceral.

In Jedi, in contrast, Vader seems passive and indecisive; he becomes a mere slave of the Emperor; presumably the writers and attempting to shift the blame for his deeds so that he can be more easily redeemed. One might think that having doubts and remorse would make a character more complex, but it's ham-handed and doesn't make sense in terms of what we know about the Sith and the Dark Side -- "It's too late for me, son" and "I must obey my master" are things that don't make any sense for a Dark Jedi to say. The Dark Side makes you believe that what you're doing is right -- otherwise, you wouldn't do it; and blind obedience is not a Sith virtue. In addition to making Vader seem weak, it telegraphs his switch -- you can see the final scene coming a mile away. How much more amazing would it have been if Vader had been an Empire-style badass through the entire movie, with the Emperor treating him like a dangerous rival instead of a lapdog, and then in the climactic scene, after Luke defeats him, he has a moment of clarity and realizes that he has only been a pawn and fed the Emperor his own son... and then suddenly turns on his former master. It would have been unexpected and satisfying.

And then it also would have been nice if, when unmasked, he didn't turn out to be a puffy old man.

Speaking of which, I don't know how they're going to work the aged original cast in without it being laughable. At least Chewie still looks good.

I don't know about the rest of them, but Ford was still pretty credible recently in Cowboys vs Aliens.

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I'm pretty sure the old cast is mostly going to be there to pass the baton, as it were, to the new cast. The new cast being that storm trooper and what's-her-name that helps him out, who are going to pick up the quest from the old timers who will undoubtedly say something along the lines of, "I need your help. She needs your help. I'm getting too old for this sort of thing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

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Codius_Dak wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

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Now that's awesome.

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