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many cloned storm troopers were not clones of jango anymore, they were cloned from many other templates, though some of the jango clones did remain. But most stormtroopers were recruits from the populace later in the war. Interestingly enough many of the jango clones considered the rest of the corps incompetent idiots.


Well, considering most of the Troopers in episodes 4, 5 and 6 would have trouble hitting the broadside of a Star Destroyer at point-blank range, I can see why the Jango-clones would think that.


well it can be taken two ways, done for effect in the film or they are idiots. though i think they are just idiots. another thing if the jedi can sense bad things why didnt they sense the clones turning.


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IIRC the official answer is that the Jedi feel things like anger and hate. The clones didn't hate the Jedi or feel anger towards them, they were simply following an order without particular feeling.


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many cloned storm troopers were not clones of jango anymore, they were cloned from many other templates, though some of the jango clones did remain. But most stormtroopers were recruits from the populace later in the war. Interestingly enough many of the jango clones considered the rest of the corps incompetent idiots.


Well, considering most of the Troopers in episodes 4, 5 and 6 would have trouble hitting the broadside of a Star Destroyer at point-blank range, I can see why the Jango-clones would think that.


well it can be taken two ways, done for effect in the film or they are idiots. though i think they are just idiots. another thing if the jedi can sense bad things why didnt they sense the clones turning.

Since Kenobi makes a point of saying that Imperial troops are known for being precise, I think one has to assume that they're constantly missing the heroes because it's Hollywood, and not because they're supposed to be incompetent. The stormtroopers boarding the Tantive IV didn't seem to have any trouble slaughtering the rebel defenders, so if the Imperial troops are incompetent, then the rebels must be even more so.

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actually, episode 4, how exactly do you follow someone that you have put a tracking device on if they are all dead? the troopers had orders to let them get away.


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Since Kenobi makes a point of saying that Imperial troops are known for being precise, I think one has to assume that they're constantly missing the heroes because it's Hollywood, and not because they're supposed to be incompetent. The stormtroopers boarding the Tantive IV didn't seem to have any trouble slaughtering the rebel defenders, so if the Imperial troops are incompetent, then the rebels must be even more so.

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actually, episode 4, how exactly do you follow someone that you have put a tracking device on if they are all dead? the troopers had orders to let them get away.


So, Selective Plot-driven Incompetence. Because, yeah, those Troopers helped conquer and hold a galaxy, and they weren't always tracking the plucky heroes. They had to be professional at least some of the time.


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Makes sense. As they said, stormies totally run over the rebels in the Tantive IV and put them on the defensive for years following Yavin IV. And kick ass in the invasion of Hoth. This is a supportable theory. And then: Ewoks.

Seriously, at the end of the day its not the Rebels or even the Jedi that destroy the Empire. Its the Care Bears. /sigh


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Return of the Jedi is the weakest of the trilogy in nearly every respect. It's the movie in which you first start to suspect that Lucas was not quite the genius that everyone thought he was.

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Query, what do you think was the weakest scene of the weakest episode? Had to be the bridge scene with Luke and Leia right? Lets make a trailer featuring it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCc2v7izk8w


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I have trouble finding fault with RotJ, possibly because I was so young when I first saw it. I can see why people have problems with the things they do, but at the very least all the character stuff seems very solid to this day. That trailer works perfectly fine to me, with the weakest points in my mind being the spectacle. My jaded mind has trouble accepting some if it these days.

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Return of the Jedi was good, especially when compared to the newer triology, but I think it falls a little flat in terms of characterization, compared with the first two movies. In particular, I didn't like the way Darth Vader was portrayed. In Empire Strike Back, Vader is a terrifying figure... a menace even to his own side, whether he's executing subordinates or plotting the overthrow of the Emperor. In some ways this is over the top, but I think it illustrates the fearsome power of the Dark Side of the Force. The thought that went through my mind when Vader revealed that he was Luke's father was this: the Dark Side has the power to make a father try to kill his own son without any shred of remorse... it's truly something to be feared. In A New Hope, the Dark Side is an abstract concept, but in Empire it becomes visceral.

In Jedi, in contrast, Vader seems passive and indecisive; he becomes a mere slave of the Emperor; presumably the writers and attempting to shift the blame for his deeds so that he can be more easily redeemed. One might think that having doubts and remorse would make a character more complex, but it's ham-handed and doesn't make sense in terms of what we know about the Sith and the Dark Side -- "It's too late for me, son" and "I must obey my master" are things that don't make any sense for a Dark Jedi to say. The Dark Side makes you believe that what you're doing is right -- otherwise, you wouldn't do it; and blind obedience is not a Sith virtue. In addition to making Vader seem weak, it telegraphs his switch -- you can see the final scene coming a mile away. How much more amazing would it have been if Vader had been an Empire-style badass through the entire movie, with the Emperor treating him like a dangerous rival instead of a lapdog, and then in the climactic scene, after Luke defeats him, he has a moment of clarity and realizes that he has only been a pawn and fed the Emperor his own son... and then suddenly turns on his former master. It would have been unexpected and satisfying.

And then it also would have been nice if, when unmasked, he didn't turn out to be a puffy old man.

Speaking of which, I don't know how they're going to work the aged original cast in without it being laughable. At least Chewie still looks good.

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I don't know about the rest of them, but Ford was still pretty credible recently in Cowboys vs Aliens.

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hi hi

I'm pretty sure the old cast is mostly going to be there to pass the baton, as it were, to the new cast. The new cast being that storm trooper and what's-her-name that helps him out, who are going to pick up the quest from the old timers who will undoubtedly say something along the lines of, "I need your help. She needs your help. I'm getting too old for this sort of thing."


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

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Now that's awesome.

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leaning ball-bot....


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Give the man a medal. Music wasnt bad, didn't think it fit, but the animation was incredible. Can't help but wonder how long it took him to cut all of that together. Loved all the references too. Hud and cockpit displays out of the games, briefing officer etc.


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but but but, swords got those pointy things therefor they should be on lightsabers....ouch.
silly clunky speeder was silly.
the whack rolling droid was kinda cool though, not much more to say.
except, non-clone storm troopers is good.




The swords got those things (handguards) for 3 reasons:
1) leverage
2) Balance
3) protecting your arm from being chopped off by the opponent simply sliding his blade down yours


Also, I did it before it was cool:
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Cortosis hand-guard tough.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/imag ... 1BOw5QKh7A


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EU is garbage. Sewage. Aside from a few gems (Thrawn?), it's all S***.

Fanboys writing bad SW stories and taking things from their other favorite universes/character, until it turns into a chaotic mess as every Tom, Dick and Harry masturbates into the cauldron.


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trashman: I know what they are modeled after.
#1 leverage against what? with a ordinary sword you can hook and trap the opponents sword, that would not work with a lightsaber due to a few reasons, simplest is the 'trapped' blade can vanish and reappear at the user whim.
<edit> i suppose you could use the hold on them for extra power, specifically the thumb, but that comes at a cost of stability. </edit>
#2 balance, true the orientation of the edge is easier with a simple crossguard, but there is no edge to orient.... moving point of balance closer to the hilt....there is no weight to the blade and therefor this function is null and void and possibly counter productive due to increased weight.
#3 due to lightsaber 'stickyness' being quite proven, sliding along the edge is much less of a problem anyhow, but even disregarding that the lightsaber crossguards do not extend all the way in, so a sliding blade meet metal, not lightsaber blade....and the result should be obvious.
a cortosis weave crossguard could make sense, but since historically lightsabers are not coated that way it would be of dubious effectiveness,

which leaves us with the following reasons for it's existence.
#1 extra pokey/cutey utensils, which is quickly outweighed by the increased risk of hurting yourself.
#2 rule of uncool(that people that do not understand weapons will add pointless doodads to make them look cool, and fail.)
the last of which was the reason for my "but but but, swords got those pointy things therefor they should be on lightsabers....ouch." comment, the last part was a indication of how this stupidity was literally hurting my sensibilities


and just in case the result is not obvious, the crossguard piece gets sliced and destroyed shortly before your "protected" hand gets the same treatment.

bottom line, silly, stupid and ugly things that are not cool.


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The main function of the odd lightsaber crossguard is to allow for an easy way for the wielder to commit suicide by the slashing up the stomach with it. Finally seppucu have been adopted by the jedi order. :p


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I don't know about the rest of them, but Ford was still pretty credible recently in Cowboys vs Aliens.


You did not just put Credible and "Cowboys vs Aliens" in the same sentence?


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It's not exactly super highbrow hard sci-fi, sure, but on a pulpy action movie level everything worked for me, performances especially. So yes.

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trashman: I know what they are modeled after.
#1 leverage against what? with a ordinary sword you can hook and trap the opponents sword, that would not work with a lightsaber due to a few reasons, simplest is the 'trapped' blade can vanish and reappear at the user whim.


The lightsaber behaves like a solid object (otherwise, crossing sabers and pushing eachother wouldn't be possible. Altougg pushing with the sword with locked blades is sheer stupidity). Hence, leverage.
And while you can turn you lightsaber on/off, it's not instantaneous and what gonna block that lightsaber heading for your face?

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#2 balance, true the orientation of the edge is easier with a simple crossguard, but there is no edge to orient.... moving point of balance closer to the hilt....there is no weight to the blade and therefor this function is null and void and possibly counter productive due to increased weight.


Balance is not really an issue with a lightsabe,r given that the blade is practially weightless.
I included this for completeness.

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#3 due to lightsaber 'stickyness' being quite proven, sliding along the edge is much less of a problem anyhow, but even disregarding that the lightsaber crossguards do not extend all the way in, so a sliding blade meet metal, not lightsaber blade....and the result should be obvious.
a cortosis weave crossguard could make sense, but since historically lightsabers are not coated that way it would be of dubious effectiveness,


Proven? When and how?
And if it sticks THAT hard, then you wouldn't be able to pull them back apart.
And even if it sticks, it can't stick that hard or fighting would be impossible. So the issue simply becomes one of putting more strength behind the move.

As for the lightsaber in the image, are you sure there isn't more of the beam inside the "tube"? Hence, why sliding and cutting off would be impossible.
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#2 rule of uncool(that people that do not understand weapons will add pointless doodads to make them look cool, and fail.)


Problem is, most people who make claims like this don't understand weapons themselves.
Also, cool is subjective.
Your cool is my uncool.


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Lightsabers are pure fantasy, so really the only way to figure out about them is by observing how they work in their fantasy setting, and using the properties displayed by lightsabers in the movies to date, the cross guards make no sense.

On the issue of "stickiness," the characters in the movies repeatedly cross "blades" with others with no slipping along the blade. They press each other back and forth, and sometimes even push their opponents backwards without having any slip of the blade. The word I would use is "friction," since there are many things that cannot be easily moved along a surface but can be easily picked up.

I am as sure that there is not more beam inside the tube as I am sure that there is some actual practical purpose for having the tube in the first place, other than providing material to be converted into molten slag and burn the wielder's own hands, or damage the rest of the saber. Even in that "Analysis," image, there is nothing controlling the width of the beam, beyond the crystal itself. So instead of a sliding blade cutting off someone's hand, the sliding blade will make contact with their opponent's focusing crystal, which then focuses the energy of the attack into the lightsaber's internals.


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Lightsabers are pure fantasy, so really the only way to figure out about them is by observing how they work in their fantasy setting, and using the properties displayed by lightsabers in the movies to date, the cross guards make no sense.

On the issue of "stickiness," the characters in the movies repeatedly cross "blades" with others with no slipping along the blade. They press each other back and forth, and sometimes even push their opponents backwards without having any slip of the blade. The word I would use is "friction," since there are many things that cannot be easily moved along a surface but can be easily picked up.



Yeah...no.
Crossguards make no sense? You meant to say that lightsabers (or at least how they are used) makes no sense.
It's not my fault that whoever coreographed the fight knows jack s*** about swordfighting.
You are doing backflips - seeing the end result that is poorly thought of and then trying to make sense of it by liberally applying whatever rule you think might explain it.

The characters cross blades - something that is NEVER done in real swordfighting for numerous reason, that "sticky blades" or friction does nothing to solve.

Witch swordfighting, you're always trying to apply force laterally to where your opponent is: If he is pushing or pulling, you apply force left or right. If he's pushing left or right, push or pull. You're always weakest against the direction you yourself are applying force to. Simply physics of leverage.
Also you want to catch his blade low on your (closer to your hand) because that gives you extra leverage. That way you gain more control over your opponents blade, as you need less force for the same effect.


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I am as sure that there is not more beam inside the tube as I am sure that there is some actual practical purpose for having the tube in the first place, other than providing material to be converted into molten slag and burn the wielder's own hands, or damage the rest of the saber. Even in that "Analysis," image, there is nothing controlling the width of the beam, beyond the crystal itself. So instead of a sliding blade cutting off someone's hand, the sliding blade will make contact with their opponent's focusing crystal, which then focuses the energy of the attack into the lightsaber's internals.


And what's stopping contact with the focusing crystal now, genius?
Normal lightsabers have a point of origin too.


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