Re: Speculation: What can Humaniti offer the Loroi?
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:28 am
What can humanity offer the Loroi? _______________.
Cards Against Humanity, Outsider edition....
Cards Against Humanity, Outsider edition....
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Brilliant... everything is better with bacon.wasp609 wrote:i wonder if the loroi would like bacon.
The taint, the grundle, the fleshy fun-bridge.JQBogus wrote:What can humanity offer the Loroi?
I don't think that implies that the Loroi have inferior understanding of psychology and psychotherapy, and I don't think it really suggests that you can 'catch the crazy' either, not in the sense of an infectious disease anyway. Psi-deaf mental health workers might have some advantages, but I doubt it'd be night and day for them.Insider wrote:Telepathy is a double-edged sword when it comes to mental illness. On the one hand, telepathy provides superior tools both to diagnose and to treat mental disorders, from developmental problems, to behavioral disorders, psychoses, and dementia due to aging. On the other hand, when such disorders are untreatable, they present a serious problem to Loroi society. The mental illness of a telepathic mind cannot be hidden behind the walls of a sanitarium, and with a subject of sufficient telepathic power, such illness can be extremely dangerous to others. The unfortunate consequence is that for Loroi with severe birth defects, brain damage, untreatable insanity or dementia, the inevitable result is euthanasia.
Siber wrote:Dragoongfa:
Insider wrote:Telepathy is a double-edged sword when it comes to mental illness. On the one hand, telepathy provides superior tools both to diagnose and to treat mental disorders, from developmental problems, to behavioral disorders, psychoses, and dementia due to aging. On the other hand, when such disorders are untreatable, they present a serious problem to Loroi society. The mental illness of a telepathic mind cannot be hidden behind the walls of a sanitarium, and with a subject of sufficient telepathic power, such illness can be extremely dangerous to others. The unfortunate consequence is that for Loroi with severe birth defects, brain damage, untreatable insanity or dementia, the inevitable result is euthanasia.
I don't think that implies that the Loroi have inferior understanding of psychology and psychotherapy, and I don't think it really suggests that you can 'catch the crazy' either, not in the sense of an infectious disease anyway. Psi-deaf mental health workers might have some advantages, but I doubt it'd be night and day for them.
I think that I could have put it better and include Loroi chauvinism in the equation:As for the second, the two halves of your argument seem to be at odds. At first you say a war room would be swept away by emotional responses, and then you say Loroi would dismiss suggestions because they can read the emotions behind them? Loroi don't experience the thoughts sent to them as if they are their own, I'm reasonably certain there's a clear line between their own emotions and the emotions of one sending to them. Maybe the danger of echo chambers is higher for them, or maybe the higher bandwidth makes it easier to tell if someone's suggestions are rooted in reason or raw emotion and weight them accordingly. Hard to say without experiencing it first hand, or word of god.
As a proponent of Humanity Fuck Yeah and an amateur military historian, I agree completely but this is a double edged sword in sci-fi settings.Breandan wrote:Something I haven't yet seen mentioned- human warrior traditions and capabilities, and our ability to adapt and explode technologically when pressured.
In the first case, humans have been fighting internal wars for over ten thousand years, since the earliest records of history and beyond (based on archaeological finds). We're so hell-bent on avoiding wars in the Western world these days because we are so very, very good at it now. If humanity was let of the chain and told to clear the benches, they would do damage normally reserved for KT-event-level asteroid strikes. Having fought in third world regions in three wars, I can also tell you that the primitive aspect is less of a hindrance than you would think. Humans can be some cunning, creative and deadly creatures with primitive tools, and would likely be hands-down some of the galaxy's most notorious and effective asymmetrical warfare fighters. I know from personal and painful experience. I won't speak for Arioch, it's his universe, but based on what I have seen thus far I'd say the humans would be able to offer the Loroi some seriously nasty guerrilla fighters and tactics.
In the second case, think about this- humanity started the 20th century with horse-and-buggy being the norm, primitive nascent automobile technology, and powered flight still being science fiction. We ended it in space, nuclear-armed, having created sparks of antimatter, developed fusion, directed energy weapons (trust me, if you knew what DARPA had developed by the 90s it'd blow your socks off), advanced medicine, and the internet. Two world wars and half a century of Cold War wang-measuring drove part of that, human innovation and prosperity drove the rest. Imagine what we could do with just a few shreds of Loroi technology in under a decade. And, back to the first case, we would probably weaponize it in ways they would never have imagined.
Just how much of a gap is there between jump technologies amongst the various intergalactic species?dragoongfa wrote:
If we are suddenly thrown out there and we run into an old empire the problems that we will face are best summarized in the two following categories:
1) Technological gap.
2) Experience gap.
1: Technology, self explanatory. We may be thousands of years behind in tech capabilities and our war making could well suffer for it.
2: Experience, self explanatory. War among the stars would be different to what we have fought until now, we will have to learn it from scratch but our past experiences would allow us to catch up quickly if trained.
From what I have seen so far the main problem of humanity in outsider are the above two gaps and humanity cannot fill them before having to fight. (That's what imho makes Outsider's story intriguing BTW).
How to fill the tech gap: Tech trading and capturing of derelict stuff for reverse engineering, in the Outsider universe humanity has reversed engineered the Orgus freighter and is starving for tech, if humans run into anything worthwhile they will certainly stop everything else to get it back to Earth. Now it comes down to the Loroi (or the Umiak, the story is not told yet) if they give us some tech to fill the gap.
Agreed. I'm also under the impression that most of the ship-building facilities are either in space (orbital hangars/shipyards) or on airless moons. Lack of atmosphere makes even a 750 gigaton impact less effective (just an earthquake unless directly hit; no blast; maybe falling debris depending on distance from impact site). That's IF said projectile manages to get through the barrage of defensive fire (and they'd be seen and anticipated the moment they jumped into the system. No stealth in space ). Orbital facilities can move, making them hard to hit with kinetic weapons that have to accelerate from half a system away.icekatze wrote:hi hi
While both of the major powers have technology that can handily obliterate planets, successfully jumping into an enemy system and hitting a target is going to be really tricky.
Doing some quick back of a napkin calculations, if the Loroi were to ram a Scimitar Mk3 Heavy Cruiser (350 kt deadweight) into a planet at 10% the speed of light, the resulting explosion would be just shy of 750 gigatons.
Naturally, I suspect that any such attempt by an enemy would get blown up long before it reached its target, unless the system was uncontested.
Except our ''Loroi'' would be awfully mentally quiet...Twinkee wrote:I like the diplomacy angle... a human with blue makeup and idiom training could pass as loroi no?
Shakespearean Caste yay
And other races would know this?Mr.Tucker wrote:Except our ''Loroi'' would be awfully mentally quiet...Twinkee wrote:I like the diplomacy angle... a human with blue makeup and idiom training could pass as loroi no?
Shakespearean Caste yay
Well, the first Barsam Jardin met could tell in an instance.RedDwarfIV wrote:And other races would know this?Mr.Tucker wrote:Except our ''Loroi'' would be awfully mentally quiet...Twinkee wrote:I like the diplomacy angle... a human with blue makeup and idiom training could pass as loroi no?
Shakespearean Caste yay
Touche.GeoModder wrote:Well, the first Barsam Jardin met could tell in an instance.RedDwarfIV wrote:And other races would know this?