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Enjoyed the story and I look forward to more.

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Even then you're still dealing with energy storage after a fashion, just that the energy is locked up in matter and released via fusion, or locked up in a black hole and released via hawking radiation.

The "ideal" forms of energy are either vacuum energy, or by convincing matter that the strong nuclear force isn't so tough and that it isn't the boss of it anymore. Alternatively, you can just LOL at entropy and gain energy that way, though if you're at the point that you can use anentropy as an energy source, you're probably not worried about energy sources anymore.


Everything is dealing with energy storage and transfer when attempting to do work. The advantage of fusion over antimatter is that, despite all the difficulties, it won't be as difficult to make economical as antimatter. If you are able to create black holes, or just harness existing ones, and then use them as power generators I think you've achieved a level where acquisition of energy is no longer a driving concern for your civilization.

Those other energy sources are all pretty much god-level. Which I suppose would make them ideal, actually.


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Truth, Lies and Broken things.

She took her time reading the report she was given right before she entered the spartan interrogation room, the Mizol Sanzet wasn’t going anywhere the way she was tied up on the interrogation chair and with the drugs having already taken effect. She smiled and nodded to the one way mirror when she finished reading and turned her attention to the prisoner.

“Reading all this I have to conclude that either your superiors are just idiots or that your caste sends the undesirables our way in order to teach them a lesson.” She said to the dazed Mizol who just groaned as she tried to keep herself focused.

“How did you even pass your trials if this is all it takes for you to lose focus?” She sent and the Mizol looked at her groggily with anger flaring at the back of her mind as she took that as a personal insult. “I take it then that you were the irredeemable weakling of the band? You are wearing your caste’s armor so that means that you did go through the trials somehow… So what did you do to redeem yourself to the others and your elders?” The Mizol remembered something painful at that point but pushed the sentiment back.

“On Deinar the band usually agrees to feed the irredeemable weakling to a wild miros pack if she doesn’t resign on her own; that was the choice I was given by my diral leader before I resigned.” She continued and smiled. “But they don’t have wild miros on Perrein, they have sori.” The Mizol tensed up at that and tried to lash out telepathically at her, she easily deflected the attack and chuckled at the implication.

“So they did try out the Sori approach. Was it just a poisonous one or they went the extra step to find out a pregnant one to inject you with its eggs?” She asked and the Mizol didn’t have to send the reply as the answer immediately flashed at the fore front of her mind.

Eggs

“Where did it put them in? Your breasts or your ass?”
She asked again and the answer again came out on its own.

Breasts

“Nasty…” She sent mockingly and smiled as she sensed the warrior’s inner conflict. “So that means that you had an emergency field mastectomy and the diral band being what it is you had the choice of a sharp rock or somehow getting the knife from your diral leader since she certainly wouldn’t willingly risk it with you. So which was it?”

Rock and Fire

“And since you are here, still alive and still incompetent it means that the rest of the band was impressed by your will to survive and called for help despite the possibility of the entire band being punished for that!” She couldn’t help but laugh at that. “It’s a real pity that your stubbornness and will to survive won’t help you now Mizol.”

“I won’t divulge anything so just kill me already...” The Mizol finally sent, somehow managing to find the mental resolve to accept death.

“Kill you? No, the paperwork alone isn’t worth your life and they really don’t like it when we kill fools like you. No, I am just going to stay here with you, keep you some company, have a chat; that kind of thing. Of course you can save everyone some time by just telling us what we want to know here and now.”

“Do you really think that I will say anything to you traitor even with the drugs you pumped into me?” The Mizol replied.

“Traitor? I wasn’t the one who did the betraying.” She replied calmly knowing where this was going.

“You are wearing an alien uniform and you serve alien masters!” The Mizol pointed out.

“And long before I chose to wear this uniform I was frog marched onto a transport to be exiled by your caste because I wanted something better for me and my friends. Acting while watching the spoils of war that we helped attain be distributed almost exclusively to aliens isn’t treason; disregarding our efforts is.”

“You civilians did nothing of worth!” The Mizol snapped back and received a downwards left straight to her right eye in response.

“Who do you think worked the mines and factories with barely any sleep between shifts? Who toiled in the fields to grow the food that were your rations? Who raised your young at the crèches? What did we get for all this effort that kept you fed, armed and reinforced? We only ended up abandoned when you failed to protect our colony worlds and further marginalized when you fools gave everything of worth to aliens!” The Mizol elected not to reply and closed her mind as best as she could but her anger and disgust were still easily felt. “Nothing to say? You warriors may have fought and died fighting when we broke our bodies and minds to supply everything that you needed so you fools could keep fighting a war that you would have lost if not for our template species!”

“The humans are animals!”
Another punch straight down to the Mizol’s nose which let out a gratifying crack as it broke.

“Piece of advice young fool: Keep that to yourself around us if you want to remain intact!” The tied up Mizol just stared back angrily at her as blood flowed freely from her now broken nose.

“Let me tell you how these ‘animals’ treated us when we ‘migrated’ to their new colony worlds” She begun after recollecting her thoughts. “There were plenty who didn’t want us there. You warriors attacking their freighters and transports for the actions of criminals made sure of that. Your actions were more than enough for them to be terrified of the telepathic monsters who knew only genocide and destruction. We were rightfully seen as threats and a forcibly implanted fifth column by the Union who regretted giving them the worlds they had just settled on. With such an outlook we expected that our lives would at best be eternal confinement and slave labor at the camps and at worse subjected to the rightful scorn and hatred from aliens that would hate us because of you.” She shook her head and smiled before continuing.

“But human males and ours have a lot of things in common; one of those common traits being their desire for females. Some of them were curious from the first day; they approached us on their own and tried to communicate with us despite the fact that most of us didn’t know how to speak even Trade! You can imagine how awkward those first meetings were with most of us unable to speak and them being tall alien males. The second day more of them came but those who came the first day brought various gifts; clothes and food mostly since we weren’t allowed to take much with us and the human government was unable to provide much for the large influx of exiles. The third day there were even more males who showed up on their own throughout the day and they had already started organizing themselves on their own to help us.” She let out an involuntary sigh at that memory. “Males organizing themselves to help us with what we needed and lacked… It was then that we learned firsthand how different the two kinds of males are with one another. We couldn’t believe at first and we had to repeatedly witness the fact that they are the warriors and the natural providers of their kind to believe it; they are the same as us in that regard but we are the direct copies of their females and we were in need of everything imaginable those days, they provided everything and more. It was infuriating and amazing in equal measure to witness dozens if not hundreds of their males to aid us as best as they could in the limited free time they had available. If we needed food and clothing we would get it almost immediately, they saw that we lived in tents and they started building communal houses for us, they knew that we couldn’t speak their language and they started teaching us how to communicate with them. Of course we protested them helping us when we did almost nothing, it took some convincing but in the end they reluctantly agreed to let us help them with the heavier work and they agreed solely because human males are almost unable to say no to an attractive female, in the exact same way that we are unable to say no to an attractive male.” She laughed at that and turned her attention back to the Mizol whose nose had already stopped bleeding.

“The irony of ironies was the fact that the vast majority of the males who helped us were the very same individuals who initially opposed us settling near them. My mate admitted later that he vehemently opposed to us being there. Like a fool I asked him why he and the others helped us so much then; he replied that he couldn’t just let us women be in those damn tents with barely any clothing and food. Human males are biologically hardwired to pursue, savor and protect females in much the same way we do males. We faced no meaningful hardship because these ‘animals’ who were afraid and terrified of us couldn’t bring themselves not to help us. Their females of course didn’t like this volunteering from their males, especially when we started partnering with them when they proposed it but who cares what their females think? Their inability to figure out and attract their own males is their own problem; a failure of theirs that is magnified by the fact that we cannot even bear their children and that their males have a Lotai; in the end the competition did them some good in finding out how to become even more alluring to their males but the fact is that we are still called the superior females!” She sensed that the Mizol still had her mental defenses up as she expected and she continued as planned.

“The most amusing thing of all is that we ended up having unlimited and exclusive access to our human mates when you warriors have again been reduced to the pre-war access scheme by this point. Of course there are the exceptions of the warriors that man the various embassies and consulates at this side of the Wasteland.” She didn’t need to sense the mental recoil from the Mizol, her physical reaction was proof enough on its own.

“Admit it, you all choose to sample the goods whenever the opportunity presents itself, especially Mizols who have learned how talkative human males are when mating with a proper female.” She sensed apprehension in her captive's mind and pressed on. “How many times have you laid with an animal, Mizol?” The Mizol tried to telepathically attack her again at that but she brushed it aside with a chuckle.

“How many times Mizol?”

“I WAS FOLLOWING ORDERS!” The Mizol shouted.

“Orders that had you mounting males! How many times?” She repeated while laughing.

“96 times.” The Mizol finally answered.

“With how many animals?”

“One.” The answer surprised her and she first took a look the notes she was holding and then looked at the one way mirror in disbelief before realizing that she could use this.

“One at a time? Or just one partner?”

“Just the one.”

“Let me guess, Evan Jacobs a mid tier defense and intelligence analyst for the department of defense and various think tanks.” The Mizol stiffened at that, both physically and mentally.

“We keep you Mizols under close watch from the moment you step in Confederation space; in fact we have been screening all you warriors from the moment we decided to protect these males from you.” The Mizol realized something at that moment and her mind seethed with anger.

“Yes, we were the ones who informed him that you had bugged his computers in order to leech information off of him. He didn’t take it lightly did he?” The Mizol didn’t reply but she stared back at her furiously. “It’s obvious from the report that he is very much like mine, a man that closely resembles our own in personality; someone who prefers mental and philosophical pursuits. The kind who wishes for you to be close to him at all times, to embrace you with a gentle intensity that makes you think that just the act of pushing him away is tantamount to torture for him. How was it lying to him while he whispered words of love and compassion to you? How did you feel when you felt his warmth after taking advantage of him?” The Mizol was still angry but she just stared at the floor in defeat.

“Is he an animal?”

“He is a lying alien with a Lotai.” The Mizol recited in a way that made it obvious that she didn’t wholeheartedly believe it.

“At least he is not an animal anymore…” She teased the hapless Mizol. “Now lets see if you can admit that you lied more to him than he did to you.”

“The Lotai is proof enough of their lies.”

“I usually hear that from Soroins not Mizols.” She joked before pressing forth.

“You lied to him from the beginning; you took advantage of his trust and placed him in a perilous position. Personally I am surprised that you didn’t fuck around like some others do and kept yourself focused and loyal to the single one.”

“I only did what my orders required.”

“And how did it feel to be the exclusive female with him?” The Mizol tried to close her mind as best as she could but her self-loathing and regret was easy to sense.

“Their monogamous tendencies are what make the truth obvious, only a fool is blind enough not to understand their love and commitment to their chosen mate. You realized it at some point, perhaps not at first but certainly when you were embracing each other. It was after this realization that you faced the choice between him and those who deny the truth and wish them harm.” The Mizol teared up at that, her mind becoming increasingly unstable. “And between the one who loved you and the ones who almost murdered you in the diral you chose the latter like the weak willed cowardly fool that you are. How does it feel choosing those who fed you to a Sori?” She smiled crookedly at the increased self loathing and apprehension she sensed.

“In the end you decided to act like a human and started lying to yourself in order to rid yourself of the uncomfortable truth ‘It’s just that my hormones are out of control, he is not a true male, I am becoming weak because of him’. I have heard all this and more from dozens of stupid warriors who deny the truth after realizing it but this tends to break you foolish warriors if you keep at it. That’s why they rotate you rather quickly from the embassies. You Mizols however have it far worse since you lying scum have the benefit of realizing the truth almost immediately yet most young fools like yourself still choose to perpetuate the lie and still seek out ways to harm them with the aim of exterminating them and what they represent to the Union.” She sensed the opportunity and immediately reached and put her palm to the Mizol’s forehead.

“DID…YOU…THINK…THAT…WE…WOULDN’T…BE…PREPARED…TO …PROTECT…THESE…MALES…FROM…LIARS…SUCH…AS…YOU?” She lashed out telepathically, the mental defenses of the hapless Mizol crumbling almost immediately.

“Did you think that we stood idle all these Tozons? That we didn’t prepare ourselves for when you scum would decide to act on your lies? Did you think that we forgot what it means to protect the males?” She ranted as the Mizol failed to offer any resistance. “Our mothers were weak and resigned, we were weak and resigned…” She sighed and recollected herself when the memory of her resignation from her Soroi Diral band came back to her.

“DID…YOU…THINK…THAT…WE…WOULDN’T…REFORGE…OURSELVES…TO…PROTECT…THESE…MALES?” The Mizol’s mind finally buckled and collapsed at that, she probed her mind and mentally reached out to call for the others.

“She is ready, extract what she knows, heal her and cut her hair off before dropping her off at the usual place.”

“Yes, Lieutenant.” She took off her amplifier and made to leave but hesitated for a moment and turned to face the broken Mizol.

“Had you resigned back then you would have no problem in accepting the truth and him.” She said, knowing that the Mizol was too disoriented to understand what she was saying now but perhaps she would remember later. “Who knows, perhaps you would have ended up choosing Alexandra for your spoken name as well.”

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Something that I had written months ago and wanted to add to the fully edited PDF but since my lazy ass is taking too long I am posting it as penance now that six months have passed.

Hope you guys enjoy it.

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That was interesting. Reads kind of like a bridge between the stories you've posted.


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“Do you really thingthink that I will say anything to you traitor even with the drugs you pumped into me?” The Mizol replied.

[...]

“Their monogamous tendencies are what make the truth obvious, only a fool is blind enough not to understand their love and commitment to their chosen mate. You realized it at some point, perhaps not at first but certainly when you were embracing each other. It was after this realization that you faced the choice between him and those who deny the truth and wish them harm.” The Mizol teared up at that, her mind becoming increasingly unstable. “And between the one who loved you and the ones who almost murdered you in the diral you chose the laterlatter like the weak willed cowardly fool that you are. How does it feel choosing those who fed you to a Sori?” She smiled crookedly at the increased self loathing and apprehension she sensed.


Okay, I need to re-read the previous installments.

But, whoha. What an aggression shown here, just to "protect our males". Lovely.

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Their inability to figure out and attract their own males is their own problem; a failure of theirs that is magnified by the fact that we cannot even bear their children and that their males have a Lotai; in the end the competition did them some good in finding out how to become even more alluring to their males but the fact is that we are still called the superior females!” She sensed that the Mizol still had her mental defenses up as she expected and she continued as planned.

Oh..shit.

I just realized something extremely bad. A Fridge Horror kind of bad.

That part up there?

Rhetorical question time!

So? How does a Human Female becomes more attractive to a Human Male?

Simple. By playing even more on the age old preconceptions and necessities that are hard wired into the Human genome. The same things that are hardwired into the Loroi females towards Loroi males. Making herself behave like, appear or even truly be 'in need of protection'. Self-conscious, competent and high-spirited women (aka: nearly all of them could be categorized as such by the 22nd century when compared through the lens of ancient history) are now going to have a problem: They cannot compete with the natural beauty of the Eldar Witches who are like them in every way and more: self-conscious, competent and high-spirited. Ever. Not without serious genetic augmentation and tampering (which, myself am for and would advise them to do immediately, but because this is Traveler based setting, and not Transhuman Space or Eclipse Phase..this would be possible only millennia down the line).
Even with the best plastic therapies and fashion and what not..it's not going to cut it. They will need to go the extra mile and it doesn't matter that the Loroi Females cannot bear Human or Hybrid children. To Human Females, having a child with a Male, is as much about the chemical/hormonal fulfilling of urges and passions as it is about a psychological and mental connection to the Male in question. Very unlike the Loroi. What is happening is seriously straining this social fabric. The only solution now is to play on the natural instincts of Human Males to get their way.

AKA: The last three centuries of gender equality struggle just went down the drain..and ironically..and in a dark humorous way..it wasn't the males who initiated it as the Human Females and Feminism Advocates always feared. It was the females and their peer pressure and parental commands and teaching (especially from the mothers: who would explain in grant detail to their daughters what personal sacrifices have to be made and freedoms, that their predecessors fought so hard to get, to be put aside by them to get a man's attention nowadays thanks to the super-naturally beautiful Eldar Witches) of human women and girls.


Interesting facts and consequences of the above:

*Because Human Females would have to spend much more time training their social and appearance powers and exercising them on Human Males to be at least somewhat equal to the Loroi Females, who have been genetically engineered to be such by the Soia -- aka: Loroi females are naturally beautiful unlike their Human counterparts, they would have incredibly much less time in doing things like career's or hobbies.

*Tolerance of LGBT would be the second thing that goes down the drain. It would take perhaps half a millennium, though. Ironically, starting with Loroi Lesbians. Then followed by Human Gays. Then finally, Human Lesbians. The last two groups would be in the unwanted competition in the category "Who of us two is going to suffer more now."

Result: The Human Females just ended up like just a better version of Loroi Males. Victorian Era Britain gentlemen would be green with envy! :shock:

I do not think this is a universe I would love to live in.

Visit as some kind of a Multiverse Traveler myself? Sure. Why? Because: Harem Shenanigans worthy of some of the more misogynist QuestionableQuesting RP games could be had in such setting, involving mostly the now hyper-feminine (feminine in all the classical examples thereof) Human Females probably. Even I from time to time enjoy such backwards thinking and role-play. One of my many vices. But at least I am conscious of those.

But spend my life in such setting. Hell no! :o


Note: Loroi Males, thanks to the sexuality ratio scheme of the Soia, never had any tolerance for any of their Homosexuals at all. Why indeed? They always got all the women anyway so anybody who didn't like women was a freak and ostracized already.

Post-Note: Tolkien's work and Silmarion are about to become the most hated piece of fiction by every Human Female.

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@Duradys

You are reading too much into it.

The need and want to have children is hardwired on the human male as well which is the reason as to why men pursue marriage with the female they are with. A marriage is a social contract with the intention of starting a family, a man who doesn't want children simply doesn't have any desire to marry.

So the women are safe in that regard.

What they are not safe with is nagging their men to death (read up how nagging is actually a detriment to a man's health) and divorcing them when 'something better' (i.e. a more handsome and/or richer man) shows interest.

So in short all a woman has to do in order to overcome Loroi competition is this:

Take care of herself and her body (Fat chicks get nothing)
Don't be a bitch to their men (That's probably the greatest draw of a Loroi permanent partner since I can't imagine a Loroi nagging a man)
Be loyal to their men.
Extra points if they can cook well.

And the women must have worked this out because the human population went from 25 billion to over 100 billion in the span of a century.

Of course there is also the possibility of Human/Loroi married couples hiring surrogates but the children of such couple should, at most, be a handful of billions over the span of a century.

There will of course be 'leftover' women but those will probably be the careerists who even today show little interest in family matters.

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Oh..shit.

I just realized something extremely bad. A Fridge Horror kind of bad.

That part up there?

Rhetorical question time!

So? How does a Human Female becomes more attractive to a Human Male?

Simple. By playing even more on the age old preconceptions and necessities that are hard wired into the Human genome. The same things that are hardwired into the Loroi females towards Loroi males. Making herself behave like, appear or even truly be 'in need of protection'. Self-conscious, competent and high-spirited women (aka: nearly all of them could be categorized as such by the 22nd century when compared through the lens of ancient history) are now going to have a problem: They cannot compete with the natural beauty of the Eldar Witches who are like them in every way and more: self-conscious, competent and high-spirited. Ever. Not without serious genetic augmentation and tampering (which, myself am for and would advise them to do immediately, but because this is Traveler based setting, and not Transhuman Space or Eclipse Phase..this would be possible only millennia down the line).
Even with the best plastic therapies and fashion and what not..it's not going to cut it. They will need to go the extra mile and it doesn't matter that the Loroi Females cannot bear Human or Hybrid children. To Human Females, having a child with a Male, is as much about the chemical/hormonal fulfilling of urges and passions as it is about a psychological and mental connection to the Male in question. Very unlike the Loroi. What is happening is seriously straining this social fabric. The only solution now is to play on the natural instincts of Human Males to get their way.

AKA: The last three centuries of gender equality struggle just went down the drain..and ironically..and in a dark humorous way..it wasn't the males who initiated it as the Human Females and Feminism Advocates always feared. It was the females and their peer pressure and parental commands and teaching (especially from the mothers: who would explain in grant detail to their daughters what personal sacrifices have to be made and freedoms, that their predecessors fought so hard to get, to be put aside by them to get a man's attention nowadays thanks to the super-naturally beautiful Eldar Witches) of human women and girls.


Interesting facts and consequences of the above:

*Because Human Females would have to spend much more time training their social and appearance powers and exercising them on Human Males to be at least somewhat equal to the Loroi Females, who have been genetically engineered to be such by the Soia -- aka: Loroi females are naturally beautiful unlike their Human counterparts, they would have incredibly much less time in doing things like career's or hobbies.

*Tolerance of LGBT would be the second thing that goes down the drain. It would take perhaps half a millennium, though. Ironically, starting with Loroi Lesbians. Then followed by Human Gays. Then finally, Human Lesbians. The last two groups would be in the unwanted competition in the category "Who of us two is going to suffer more now."

Result: The Human Females just ended up like just a better version of Loroi Males. Victorian Era Britain gentlemen would be green with envy! :shock:

I do not think this is a universe I would love to live in.

Visit as some kind of a Multiverse Traveler myself? Sure. Why? Because: Harem Shenanigans worthy of some of the more misogynist QuestionableQuesting RP games could be had in such setting, involving mostly the now hyper-feminine (feminine in all the classical examples thereof) Human Females probably. Even I from time to time enjoy such backwards thinking and role-play. One of my many vices. But at least I am conscious of those.

But spend my life in such setting. Hell no! :o


Note: Loroi Males, thanks to the sexuality ratio scheme of the Soia, never had any tolerance for any of their Homosexuals at all. Why indeed? They always got all the women anyway so anybody who didn't like women was a freak and ostracized already.

Post-Note: Tolkien's work and Silmarion are about to become the most hated piece of fiction by every Human Female.


Actually, it's all correct. But, only if people don't be engage in self-improvement. Simple cleaning of the gene pool of the accumulated in it over the millennia trash and repairing the body design flaws caused by the same evolution, is able to give a result that looks at least as good. And, to be honest, I still hardly catch what to reproduce still need sex and pregnancy, at this level of technology development.

While at the expense of "the world in which I isn't like live" - is yes. In general, I have such a thought crept another moment with the cultivation of chauvinism (yeah, the reason was, and serious, but it is never an excuse).


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@Duradys

You are reading too much into it.

The need and want to have children is hardwired on the human male as well which is the reason as to why men pursue marriage with the female they are with. A marriage is a social contract with the intention of starting a family, a man who doesn't want children simply doesn't have any desire to marry.

So the women are safe in that regard.

What they are not safe with is nagging their men to death (read up how nagging is actually a detriment to a man's health) and divorcing them when 'something better' (i.e. a more handsome and/or richer man) shows interest.

So in short all a woman has to do in order to overcome Loroi competition is this:

Take care of herself and her body (Fat chicks get nothing)
Don't be a bitch to their men (That's probably the greatest draw of a Loroi permanent partner since I can't imagine a Loroi nagging a man)
Be loyal to their men.
Extra points if they can cook well.

And the women must have worked this out because the human population went from 25 billion to over 100 billion in the span of a century.

Of course there is also the possibility of Human/Loroi married couples hiring surrogates but the children of such couple should, at most, be a handful of billions over the span of a century.

There will of course be 'leftover' women but those will probably be the career who even today show little interest in family matters.

And that's different from my own post how?

Take care of herself and her body (Fat chicks get nothing)

Point is: Loroi cannot get fat like Humans. They cannot get fugly or even just ugly or non-beautiful. Thanks to the genetic tampering done by the Soia. All the while Human Females must throw absurd amounts of time and their own resources and money to change things that (things that Loroi Females won't be throwing resources at..coming on top economically as well), yes, were a hindrance before, and yes, required some attention and resources to handle, but were never such a monstrous problem to solve. Example: Modern fashion and beauty industry. The Loroi Females (and Males as well) have not only this for granted from the very beginning of their lives..they do not need to put any money or resources into this (they will be scratching heads about the things Human Females do to stay good looking)..their least sexy-version is as good as our top models. When the bottom 99% of the Female population just became below average in terms of 'good looks'..is going to cause in-correctable problem (without serious augmentation that is). Without genetic engineering you cannot solve this. Period.

Also..what the fuck are these here:
Don't be a bitch to their men (That's probably the greatest draw of a Loroi permanent partner since I can't imagine a Loroi nagging a man)
Be loyal to their men.
Extra points if they can cook well.


So basically the EXACT same thing I was saying above!? :?

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Here is how things are different:

Fat chicks get nothing:

In order to no be fat you simply must not overeat, that's all there is to it. Calories in must on average be the amount of calories out. What is the amount of effort required to simply put the damn fork down and count calories? I did it and lost 20 kilograms in an year without starving myself in order to get to a normal BMI. Also remember this: thin and fit is healthy and fertile.

Fashion and all that stuff: you are underestimating how efficient and able the human cosmetic industry will be in 2160. A century ago women were simply butt ugly when compared to today's women. I don't want to imagine how stuff will be in a century and a half.

As for what all these are:

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Don't be a bitch to their men (That's probably the greatest draw of a Loroi permanent partner since I can't imagine a Loroi nagging a man)
Be loyal to their men.
Extra points if they can cook well.


They are exactly what men universally want from their women:

Men want their women to be pleasant to be around.
Men want the children they are supporting and raising to be theirs.
Men also want to eat a good meal once in a while.

None of the above comes anywhere near the social regression of gender equality and persecution of deviant sexual preferences.

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You are reading too much into it.

The need and want to have children is hardwired on the human male as well which is the reason as to why men pursue marriage with the female they are with. A marriage is a social contract with the intention of starting a family, a man who doesn't want children simply doesn't have any desire to marry.

So the women are safe in that regard.

What they are not safe with is nagging their men to death (read up how nagging is actually a detriment to a man's health) and divorcing them when 'something better' (i.e. a more handsome and/or richer man) shows interest.

So in short all a woman has to do in order to overcome Loroi competition is this:

Take care of herself and her body (Fat chicks get nothing)
Don't be a bitch to their men (That's probably the greatest draw of a Loroi permanent partner since I can't imagine a Loroi nagging a man)
Be loyal to their men.
Extra points if they can cook well.

And the women must have worked this out because the human population went from 25 billion to over 100 billion in the span of a century.

Of course there is also the possibility of Human/Loroi married couples hiring surrogates but the children of such couple should, at most, be a handful of billions over the span of a century.

There will of course be 'leftover' women but those will probably be the careerists who even today show little interest in family matters.


Are you sure? Now a modern family model - in fact a relic of old as shit mammoth tribal patriarchal concept of the family, and this is due to a lot more culture than instinct. Instincts are much simpler and more reliable. However, gender equality and the concept of free family went to mass nearly 100 years ago - and now that many looks for a family of people scarcely not the same as the people themselves. What will happen when he finally extinct generation, who grew up in a rigidly patriarchal traditions - hell knows.

As I said, the development of technologies more rid the birth by sex and pregnancy. I fully admit that at some level of development of this method will generally undesirable for a number of purely practical reasons. In such circumstances, competition with exotic "El Lady" is able to do very damaging to women (by the way, is another fertile ground for the cultivation of chauvinism to "outsiders").

The methods of struggle that you described, just like Loroi men position in their society, with the only difference being that they have no competition and other options, they simply don't know.

Plus, with a very strong desire ways around the biochemical barriers are have, and thus concept of the interspecific family has a right to life that another brick in the head and another source of conflicts.

Finally, although Loroi is far from us in terms of flexibility of thinking, but they are also able to adapt to changing conditions, and hence the future changes in the mass consciousness as a minimum Loroi diaspora in the Confederacy is also not far away.


In short, it is difficult here to say who will be worse off this interchange in a long-term...


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Don't be a bitch to their men (That's probably the greatest draw of a Loroi permanent partner since I can't imagine a Loroi nagging a man)
Huh?
Strong women nag mroe, as they know they can live independently from their man. They expect the man to pull his weight around too.
And I definitely see the Loroi demand that of their Human male partner.
Up to a level that >80% of us Human males would love an adventure with a Loroi, but would leave it at that. Too much work to keep her.
10% would not be attracted to Loroi anyway.
The last 10% either did never get a chance, or are of Alexander's style, strong and independent. The relation of the latter group is more one of convenience. Everyone lives their own live, and their homes just have the same address. You see that a lot in todays relations in Western societies. Real equals, which often only works as long as no spawn has enlarged the family.


But indeed. If the Loroi females would actively do that, Human Society, and with that Humanity could be destroyed within a few generations (also depending on "if the hybrids are fertile", and "are the hybrids more Loroi or more Human").
Take the long term view, and the Mizol and her kind won. It was not a weaponized destruction, but done by the civilian population.

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@Tamri

The family is not an outdated concept, in fact its by far the most stable pillar of any society; if the family unit disappears human society will inevitably collapse.

The western family, especially the US family, is collapsing for two reasons:

1st: Divorce incentivization by the state. US women are financially better off if they divorce their men after they have had children, the US laws are set up in such a way that the woman will get alimony, child custody and child support 90% of the time. The divorce rate of the US is 60% and rising for a reason. The US marriage rate is at an all time law and plummeting for a reason.

2nd: State and Federal subsidies for single mothers. This has hit the African-American family the hardest so far because these policies were first applied to their community. Now more than 70% of African-Americans are now born out of wedlock. Which means that these children grow up without a paternal figure.

This destruction of the US family has already shown its disastrous results through the state sanctioned abandonment of marriage by the African-American community:

The impoverisation of the African-American community since the men see no incentive to attain a well paying and stable job in order to attract a lifelong partner.
The rampant crime rate of African-American youth who lack a respectable paternal figure.
The collapsing intellectual performance of African-American students.

So far the signs of the disbandment of the family unit are disastrous in every way imaginable. If we are to maintain our societies then the institution of marriage must remain strong and as was before the incentivization of its destruction.

@Krulle

The natural inclination of a Loroi female is to provide everything to a male. They are like us men in this regard so I doubt that they would nag to their men, unless there are men who nag to their women for not pulling their weight around in the same way women do to men.

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I never saw me providing for everything.....

But then, when I do deliver, I want to see results. (Or "results" first - depending on her wishes (diamond earring comes spontaneously to mind).)

I cannot imagine the Loroi female to be different.
Instinctively protective is one thing.(I am that too. Did cost me a lot already.)
But when you know the surrounding and everything is safe for the "protected" individual, well, payback time. If that does not happen, nagging time. Just like I see around me happening everwhere. And as I have observed in myself.

There are reasons why the divorce rates are climbing.
People expect too much out of a relationship.
Especially the strong ones /the providers do.


Right now, the Loroi are explaining only their instincts they have been trained to have, and possibly even genetically ingrained.
But we have not seen the actual behaviour of Loroi females in "safe" environments. Yet.
When you instictively know, everything has been provided for (safety, housing, food), your behaviour towards and demands from your protégées change.

I cannot imagine the Loroi female NOT nagging.
I can see them trying to tough it out, and putting their hurt feelings aside for a long time (compared to how long our Human females tend to bottle it up....).
But I cannot see them doing that for a very long time.

But, the main advantage of having a Loroi female as partner is of course her lack of aging within your life time.
Even if you bond with an older one, she will likely outsurvive you by 5 decades.
Which causes its own issues within a mixed Loroi/Humanity society.

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dragoongfa wrote:
@Tamri

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The family is not an outdated concept, in fact its by far the most stable pillar of any society; if the family unit disappears human society will inevitably collapse.

The western family, especially the US family, is collapsing for two reasons:

1st: Divorce incentivization by the state. US women are financially better off if they divorce their men after they have had children, the US laws are set up in such a way that the woman will get alimony, child custody and child support 90% of the time. The divorce rate of the US is 60% and rising for a reason. The US marriage rate is at an all time law and plummeting for a reason.

2nd: State and Federal subsidies for single mothers. This has hit the African-American family the hardest so far because these policies were first applied to their community. Now more than 70% of African-Americans are now born out of wedlock. Which means that these children grow up without a paternal figure.

This destruction of the US family has already shown its disastrous results through the state sanctioned abandonment of marriage by the African-American community:

The impoverisation of the African-American community since the men see no incentive to attain a well paying and stable job in order to attract a lifelong partner.
The rampant crime rate of African-American youth who lack a respectable paternal figure.
The collapsing intellectual performance of African-American students.

So far the signs of the disbandment of the family unit are disastrous in every way imaginable. If we are to maintain our societies then the institution of marriage must remain strong and as was before the incentivization of its destruction.



I just read some nonsense. A lot of nonsense.

Firstly - I didn't say that the family as an institution will disappear. I said that the current model family - a relic of the rigidly patriarchal system, which the modern world is no longer.

Secondly - I pointed out that progress towards gender equality beginning relatively recently, how not look at any scale. And the results visible are now to the naked eye and continue to grow. How will the society, if the cook in this boullion a century, in the absence of any capital social disasters - no one knows. Especially you or me.

The third - a unit of society - the person, not the family. Family - model only socially acceptable interaction, which is under a joint achievement of some practical purposes. In our case, it is usually the birth and upbringing of children. Personally, I think that the changed role of the family, but the institution doesn't disappear. In the end, it is quite deeply intertwined in our, as a culture, and civilization. These mastodons don't disappear with one kick. But I am sure, that in 100 years the family would absolutely not what we mean by that word today.

Finally, in the fourth - family is there are alternatives, and there are many. And if you want - very easy to come up with something that suits you more. Now there is a reformatting of the mass consciousness, and how it will end - time will tell. In this fun time we even have a good chance to live up to this significant date.


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dragoongfa wrote:
@Krulle

The natural inclination of a Loroi female is to provide everything to a male. They are like us men in this regard so I doubt that they would nag to their men, unless there are men who nag to their women for not pulling their weight around in the same way women do to men.

Another thought:

As far as my observations go, women pull more weight around than us men.
That may be different in higher societies, where there's a nanny and a cleaning lady.
But in lower levels, definitely she pulls more.
As you pointed out, kid raising is mostly done by her. The risk of being single mom and earning the household money is far greater than becoming single dad and having to earn all.

In most cases I see the female pulling more. It's the skewed percerption of this society that rewards paid-for jobs higher than the hours spent in household and with kids, which leads to many men thinking they are pulling more. Look at the number of hours spent doing work and (unrewarded) chores. And then say who pulls more.

My wife is among the "strong ones". She works as many hours as I do.
And she does most of the household chores. (In exchange, I do repairs and garden.)

We both nag at each other. For a variety of reasons.

And I know plenty of men who nag at their current female partner. Also for a variety of reasons.
Also quite a few of the "classic role models" households (him working, her household/kids). She nags because things are needed. He nags because she can't keep up with the workload of kids and chores.

Result: I got deaf to nagging. I distill what needs to be done (e.g. light in garage still broken - blah blah blah), and try to find time to do that. I imagine she does the same with my nagging. The next day I mostly don't remember having been nagged for something.


Nah - nagging is no reason to choose for a "strong" wife.

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@Tamri

And all I read is wishful thinking...

For the past 70 years the USA has been the trendsetter in regards to social issues with absolutely no exception. The currently mainstream trend in the US and large parts of Europe is the demonization of manhood, fatherhood and the destruction of the family unit. The results are obvious to those who see them without any ideological blinders.

@Krulle

I understand what you mean my mother and my two grandmothers pulled more than their partner by a respectable margin but all three families had their issues whose guilt has admittedly been laid mostly on the three women involved. Ones is a shrilly control freak who mentally tortured her husband to death (literal death by nagging) and two of them didn't want anyone helping them in the housework even as their bodies collapsed from exertion.

For a healthy familial relationship there needs to be a balance and respect to each other but for some reason this doesn't happen on most families I have seen and heard from regardless of who pulls more (which in most cases I have observed its the man, in both Greek or other families).

EDIT: Forgot to write something:

The divorce rates are climbing because many women demand perfection without offering perfection in return; no one can have their cake and eat it but for some reason the modern young woman has been convinced that she is a princess and must be treated like royalty at all times.

This won't work at all.

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Tamri wrote:
dragoongfa wrote:
@Tamri

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The family is not an outdated concept, in fact its by far the most stable pillar of any society; if the family unit disappears human society will inevitably collapse.

The western family, especially the US family, is collapsing for two reasons:

1st: Divorce incentivization by the state. US women are financially better off if they divorce their men after they have had children, the US laws are set up in such a way that the woman will get alimony, child custody and child support 90% of the time. The divorce rate of the US is 60% and rising for a reason. The US marriage rate is at an all time law and plummeting for a reason.

2nd: State and Federal subsidies for single mothers. This has hit the African-American family the hardest so far because these policies were first applied to their community. Now more than 70% of African-Americans are now born out of wedlock. Which means that these children grow up without a paternal figure.

This destruction of the US family has already shown its disastrous results through the state sanctioned abandonment of marriage by the African-American community:

The impoverisation of the African-American community since the men see no incentive to attain a well paying and stable job in order to attract a lifelong partner.
The rampant crime rate of African-American youth who lack a respectable paternal figure.
The collapsing intellectual performance of African-American students.

So far the signs of the disbandment of the family unit are disastrous in every way imaginable. If we are to maintain our societies then the institution of marriage must remain strong and as was before the incentivization of its destruction.



I just read some nonsense. A lot of nonsense.

Firstly - I didn't say that the family as an institution will disappear. I said that the current model family - a relic of the rigidly patriarchal system, which the modern world is no longer.

Secondly - I pointed out that progress towards gender equality beginning relatively recently, how not look at any scale. And the results visible are now to the naked eye and continue to grow. How will the society, if the cook in this boullion a century, in the absence of any capital social disasters - no one knows. Especially you or me.

The third - a unit of society - the person, not the family. Family - model only socially acceptable interaction, which is under a joint achievement of some practical purposes. In our case, it is usually the birth and upbringing of children. Personally, I think that the changed role of the family, but the institution doesn't disappear. In the end, it is quite deeply intertwined in our, as a culture, and civilization. These mastodons don't disappear with one kick. But I am sure, that in 100 years the family would absolutely not what we mean by that word today.

Finally, in the fourth - family is there are alternatives, and there are many. And if you want - very easy to come up with something that suits you more. Now there is a reformatting of the mass consciousness, and how it will end - time will tell. In this fun time we even have a good chance to live up to this significant date.


I pretty much agree with everything you posted. I remember an article I read a time ago about the myth of the traditional family. It even mention "Pleasantville" as a Take That to the "traditional values".
http://www.criticalenquiry.org/theory/society.shtml


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dragoongfa wrote:
The divorce rates are climbing because many women demand perfection without offering perfection in return; no one can have their cake and eat it but for some reason the modern young woman has been convinced that she is a princess and must be treated like royalty at all times.

This won't work at all.

The divorce rates are climbing because many women demand perfection without offering perfection in return; no one can have their cake and eat it but for some reason the modern young woman has been convinced that she is a princess and must be treated like royalty at all times (at that the woman actually wants to serve him any of his wishes, without minor reciprocity).

This won't work at all.


I have observed both, and lately more of the men demanding her to be
1) a beauty queen when in public
2) a cleaning lady in the household
3) a >1* cook in the kitchen
4) a w...e in bed;
than the reverse.

We men are at fault too.
Possibly life has gotten too easy in the civilization. Possibly we need to revert to having real dangers.
Being as safe as we are, having the living standard most of us enjoy without putting in excessive hours....
We've forgotten how to be happy.

Women demanding more is just one factor. I agree to that factor.
But it would be folly to say we men are without the same faults.

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Krulle wrote:
dragoongfa wrote:
The divorce rates are climbing because many women demand perfection without offering perfection in return; no one can have their cake and eat it but for some reason the modern young woman has been convinced that she is a princess and must be treated like royalty at all times.

This won't work at all.

The divorce rates are climbing because many women demand perfection without offering perfection in return; no one can have their cake and eat it but for some reason the modern young woman has been convinced that she is a princess and must be treated like royalty at all times (at that the woman actually wants to serve him any of his wishes, without minor reciprocity).

This won't work at all.


I have observed both, and lately more of the men demanding her to be
1) a beauty queen when in public
2) a cleaning lady in the household
3) a >1* cook in the kitchen
4) a w...e in bed;
than the reverse.

We men are at fault too.
Possibly life has gotten too easy in the civilization. Possibly we need to revert to having real dangers.
Being as safe as we are, having the living standard most of us enjoy without putting in excessive hours....
We've forgotten how to be happy.

Women demanding more is just one factor. I agree to that factor.
But it would be folly to say we men are without the same faults.


Or because women before could not archieve the same education and employment opportunities as men (and neither today , but the current gap is far lesser than a few decades ago). Or because they were not allowed to divorce in the first place, no matter the circunstances (it was always the women fault, after all) and the pregnant-out-of-wedlock ones were marginalized .
If there are more divorces in the present than in the so-called "traditional family golden age" it´s simply because now, they are feasible.


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dragoongfa wrote:
@Tamri

And all I read is wishful thinking...

For the past 70 years the USA has been the trendsetter in regards to social issues with absolutely no exception. The currently mainstream trend in the US and large parts of Europe is the demonization of manhood, fatherhood and the destruction of the family unit. The results are obvious to those who see them without any ideological blinders.



Well, good luck to you, this what you ... oh, how she needed.

You're trying to tell me here what is the defective family and that comes from this. As if I do not know. Yes, I didn't see the middle of the 20th century, but from my knoll too which-that is clear, and it looks exactly as I described. With regard to the value system of "spirituality, morality, respectability" and other "white man's burden" I will say one thing - you were deceived. And very ugly.

All that a person needs, is reduced to a series of simple and understandable to all needs, such as: attention, communication, food, rest and reproduction. Some mutants can be identified even curiosity. In terms of instincts, we are still social apes, view the profile. Noticeable change is the beginning recently, and the process is still in the stage of pre-flight preparation.

Therefore, all their cultural stereotypes can be spread out in this five or six shelves. And pay attention, that the Culture contrasted Nature, ie, natural. Culture, not the Society. Society is to satisfy the needs of its constituent individuals. Changing needs - and to change society, it is inevitable. And you go out that Culture and Society - is some monoliths of steel, which were the same, and always will remain. While IRL is scarcely not the most flexible and short-lived elements of our civilization. The collapse of these - there will be others. So it was before, and will continue.


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Krulle wrote:
dragoongfa wrote:
The divorce rates are climbing because many women demand perfection without offering perfection in return; no one can have their cake and eat it but for some reason the modern young woman has been convinced that she is a princess and must be treated like royalty at all times.

This won't work at all.

The divorce rates are climbing because many women demand perfection without offering perfection in return; no one can have their cake and eat it but for some reason the modern young woman has been convinced that she is a princess and must be treated like royalty at all times (at that the woman actually wants to serve him any of his wishes, without minor reciprocity).

This won't work at all.


I have observed both, and lately more of the men demanding her to be
1) a beauty queen when in public
2) a cleaning lady in the household
3) a >1* cook in the kitchen
4) a w...e in bed;
than the reverse.

We men are at fault too.
Possibly life has gotten too easy in the civilization. Possibly we need to revert to having real dangers.
Being as safe as we are, having the living standard most of us enjoy without putting in excessive hours....
We've forgotten how to be happy.

Women demanding more is just one factor. I agree to that factor.
But it would be folly to say we men are without the same faults.


Of course we are not innocent but from my observations we are still far behind the unreasonable curve

By far the most important is point 1 btw:

1) Statistically women find men far less attractive than men do women.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your- ... ne-dating/

The best looking women do get far more attention than the least looking but even the least attractive women get more messages and attention from men than average attractive men do from any kind of women. The disparity in messaging can be encompassed with this: Men are hardwired to take mental and emotional risks in finding a partner and women are thus left to pick and choose from the pool of candidates that has shown interest.

Things are made even more surreal with the conflicting messages that modern men receive on how they should act and what makes them attractive to women:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... ted-dating

2) It all comes down to who gets sex afterwards:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/08/opini ... .html?_r=1

In short: Men who do manly housework get more sex, women who do womanly housework get more sex.

3) Love marches through the stomach.

4) I had a girlfriend who just laid there like a piece of meat, it was terrible.

EDIT: Forgot something: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... -heres-why

70% of all divorces in the US are initiated by the woman.

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