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He can't see the image, so he can't google the meme. :P

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@Dragoongfa: I understand your point of view and agree you are right on all points, except maybe your 4th answer, but you may be right there too. Regardless, it is an interesting change of pace from other stories where a supposedly intelligent character can't examine all options offered to him/her. Although in this case I think you went a bit overboard but that's just my opinion.

Sweforce wrote:Maybe a flanking maneuver where the umiak get boarded in turn when their troops are away? :twisted:
"Captain Asteios of ECS-175 Matveyev to high command, scouting operation finalized and first contact succesfully established"
"High command here, excellent news, report"
"We bring good news and even better news"
"Don't be childish Asteios, report"
"The good news is that we succesfully rescued a Loroi crew, offered resources so they could perform a vital operation to the war effort, and they were extremely grateful for it."
"Excellent, you mentioned even better news, captain Asteios?"
"Yes sir, we single handedly decided humanity's position in this war, were received by the Loroi empress and bring home a very favourable alliance treaty, we put the diplomatic corps out of a job"
"Asteios that is not your mission, we will wait for the rest of the scout vessels results and then the diplomats will analyze our options"
"No need, high command, due to unforeseen circumstances we had to assault an umiak ship, kill their whole crew, run away in the presence of superior numbers all the while being hailed by the umiak who threatened to, and I quote 'We will slaughter the traitorous vermin and it's next 20 generations of descendants'"
"FML"

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FML? Fix My Lighthouse?...
Anyway, it would indeed lead to a very interesting de-briefing....
And a court-martial for disobeying orders... In a situation where the survival of the Human race is in peril...


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Thanks for the answer so far, dragoongfa.
Now imagine being an Umiak captain and your sensors see a ship that the new device which copies the Farseer abilities doesn't seem to detect.
Well, if the sensors detect the human ship, but at the moment in the story, the Umiak sensors don't see it. Or did I missunderstood that part?
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Krulle wrote:FML? Fix My Lighthouse?...
Anyway, it would indeed lead to a very interesting de-briefing....
And a court-martial for disobeying orders... In a situation where the survival of the Human race is in peril...


@Razor One: Thank You.

And yes, it escalated quickly. But in a war any encounter usually escalates quickly...
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Suederwind wrote:Thanks for the answer so far, dragoongfa.
Now imagine being an Umiak captain and your sensors see a ship that the new device which copies the Farseer abilities doesn't seem to detect.
Well, if the sensors detect the human ship, but at the moment in the story, the Umiak sensors don't see it. Or did I missunderstood that part?
The umiak farsense is detecting 93 life signs and detecting a transmission, they believe it's from same ship but the signs are loroi while the communication comes from the human scout vessel, so it seems a "normal" first contact for them thanks to the loroi being there.
If they made first contact with a scout vessel when no loroi are around, the umiak would be seeing the ship and the transmition but realize these humans are invisible to their revolutionary and war-changing new device, so they would go to extreme lengths to make sure whatever it is humans have doesn't fall in the hands of the enemy, including gruesome experiments and immediately subjugating the whole human race... at best. So yeah, humans would have been fucked.

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Well, the Umiak's thinking makes sense. Given the similarities of humans to the Loroi, and given the Umiak have some sort of Farseeing protection device, it makes sense that they would think the humans are a Loroi trick. Much like some Loroi think humans are a Umiak/Shell trick, so too would be make sense the Umiak think humans are a Loroi/Enemy trick.

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Chapter 11, part 1

“Sir, still no reply from the Loroi vessel, they have gone completely dark.” Ensign Evgeni Bessonov, this shift’s operation officer reported, shattering the silence that permeated the bridge.

“Damn, hail them again and tell them that we are not going to hand them over to the Umiak.”

“Yes, sir.”

With the Loroi going completely silent and an Umiak warship somehow detecting them inside the asteroid field it was safe to assume that the options open to them were bad, especially if they wanted to stop the situation from escalating into violence.

The first thing that he realized was that they couldn’t allow the Umiak to discover the Loroi vessel, that would put the away team in mortal danger, negate their diplomatic gains and paint a huge target on their backs since they already collaborated with the Loroi, even if that was in a such a limited manner.

Selling the Loroi to the Umiak wasn’t an option either even if the sacrifice of the away team could be seen as acceptable. There was no guarantee that Matveyev would be spared in that scenario since the Umiak would automatically treat them with extreme suspicion just for the way they looked. Then there were the horror stories of the Orgus and the Loroi history that he had skimmed through, stories that if true meant a very nasty fate for anyone who worked against the Umiak, even if they turned coat later. No one liked a traitor even in space and he couldn’t tell if that was a good or a bad thing.

He glanced at Ensign Bessonov who looked back at him while shrugging, sighing he accessed the comm. systems from his console and begun a transmission towards the Loroi ship

“This is Captain Asteios of the Terran Scout ship Matveyev to the Loroi vessel. Mizol Torrimor Shadowcloud, you have recognized me and my crew as diplomatic representatives of the Terran Colonial Authority. I expect the treatment of my subordinates to reflect that while they are under your care. Commander Albert Summers, you and your team are now considered to be under a detached assignment to the Loroi Union, act accordingly at all times.” He closed the channel and cursed under his breath for having to leave four of his people in the hands of Loroi who themselves were stranded on a crippled ship.

“Navigations, ahead one third, get us to the coordinates I am about to send you.” He didn’t like it but he had to leave the away team, which included his second in command, behind as he would attempt to pursue a peaceful contact with the Umiak ship, hoping that feigning total ignorance of the Loroi and their crippled ship would be enough to keep everyone out of harm’s way. He knew that the first thing they had to do was get away from the Loroi ship and the various battle debris that floated about nearby.

He brought up the impromptu map of the asteroid field that the navigation’s system drew up when they traversed the field to get where they were. He vaguely remember an other, smaller opening between a few massive asteroids that had drawn his interest because of the interesting electromagnetic phenomena that permeated the numerous small asteroids that floated there. In any other situation he would have loved to get some samples and detailed readings of everything that happened throughout the asteroid field but for now using that curiosity as an excuse of them being there at the first place.

“Don’t scratch the ship Lieutenant.” Captain Asteios said as he sent the coordinates to the ship’s navigations officer, Lieutenant Lucas Martel.

“Sir, another transmission from the Umiak, same format as before but, there is something strange with it.” Ensign Bessonov reported with a tint of confusion in his voice.

“What do you mean?”

“The anti-malware system gives it the all clear but there is a lot of garbage when you look at it.”

“Is it still quarantined?”

“Yes sir.”

“Send it to me and where is Lieutenant Grant?”

“He has been raised and should be here in a minute.”

“Good.”

The Orgus had said that the Umiak like to send malware in their transmissions to any ship they communicated with, something that truth be told humans did as well, especially if the ships were of rival nations or corporations. In some particular cases even Scout corps ships were targeted by certain interest groups who wanted premium information about newly explored star systems. What the Orgus described however was far worse than that, the Orgus captain gave them plenty of second hand testaments of Orgus civilian and military ships that were knocked out of commission by Umiak malware alone. Everyone knew that those reports could be exaggerated stories or even Umiak designed psy-warfare aimed to disintegrate Orgus morale at the height of the invasion but they couldn’t take any risk in the situation they were in.

It was fortunate to say the least that every TCA ship had at least a couple of code experts, a necessity since no two operating systems of otherwise identical ships were the same. Unfortunately one of his was now trapped onboard the Loroi ship and the other had gone off to sleep when his shift had ended. Wanting to believe that he had at least a basic knowledge on such matters and begun to inspect the received Umiak transmission which was still in electronic quarantine.

The format was odd to say the least, odd but straightforward enough for the computer to play it without much of a delay. What was odd however was that there were a lot of electronic garbage riding on top of the audio and video data but the automatic anti-malware system didn’t pick anything up from. Having a bad feeling about this he checked the first Umiak transmission which looked clear at first but with some inspection also had similar garbage as well, there were fewer but they were still there. He cursed beneath his breath again, this time for not having his remaining code expert check everything before playing the first transmission.

He felt some relief when Lieutenant Grant, hastily dressed by the looks of it, rushed into the bridge and went straight to him.

“Sir?” The Lieutenant asked when he stood next to the captain’s seat.

“What do you think of this?” The captain asked as he pointed at the screen.

“It’s…odd…” The Lieutenant said as he tried to take in what he was seeing.

“The automatic system didn’t flag anything as suspicious.”

“The system doesn’t even know what this is sir. This looks like garbage but I fail to see why someone would transmit garbage at the first place.” The Lieutenant replied.

“Could it be some sort of corruption from the electromagnetic interference?”

“Our transmissions did suffer some corruption but nothing like this… did the Umiak transmission show any sign of deterioration like ours did?”

“No.” The Lieutenant went silent at that for a few moments.

“Sir, I would like to do a few things to enhance our system security just in case, if there was malware on the first transmission then the system may already be compromised.”

“By all means but we need to see what the Umiak sent regardless.”

“Yes sir.”

As the Lieutenant rushed to his post to relieve the ensign sitting there he couldn’t help but think of what to say about the human similarity with the Loroi. In the limiting time he had he couldn’t come up with anything else than feigning an utter and complete ignorance about it. The Umiak would certainly be at least skeptical of them just for the way they looked, to betray any form of contact or knowledge of the Loroi other than their telepathy would certainly worsen their position. The next thing he thought about was how to better explain why Matveyev was at the asteroid field at the first place at the moment of contact, with some more brainstorming his initial idea of examining the field itself was their best bet and truth be told the examination of unknown phenomena was a tertiary objective of their mission as well.

The one issue that should be hidden at all costs was the human telepathic immunity. It was obvious that they couldn’t have known about it without coming in contact with the Loroi themselves and as such it fell alongside with them feigning ignorance about the Loroi and their similarity. Thankfully no one but the Loroi was able to realize that this immunity existed at the first place. If things went smoothly this could be a peaceful first contact with the added baggage of the physical similarity of Humans and Loroi.

“Sir, you can open the transmission.” Lieutenant Grant informed him.

“Everything is clear with it?”

“I don’t know sir, it looks clear but I took some extra precautions with everything.”

Captain Asteios sighed at that, even with his limited knowledge he knew that there was no way to know if anything malicious was hidden in the Umiak transmission. Shaking his head in resignation he opened the data and a video begun playing on his screen.

“We humbly greet [Captain Asteios of the Terran Scout Ship Matveyev] in the name of [the Hierarchy]. Your non knowledge of our territorial borders is understandable. This servant of [the Hierarchy] ask if [Terran Colonial Authority/Humanity] is aware of the conflict between [the Hierarchy] and [the Loroi Union].”

He couldn’t say what was worse, the Umiak’s insectoid appearance or the clearly synthesized voice that overlapped the various clicks that obviously were Umiak’s untranslated speech; both seemed to make his skin crawl with equal measure but he pushed that feeling aside as he studied the Umiak, trying to see if there was some difference in his mannerism than what he saw at the first transmission. The first transmission was demanding and domineering while the second one was humble and understanding yet the Umiak didn’t show any apparent difference in its mannerisms.

Perhaps it was its appearance and completely alien nature or maybe the Umiak captain kept the same composure despite the difference in tone between the two messages. Looking at it the Umiak looked almost identical to the ones in the various records that the Orgus had with them, most of whom were ultimatums and demands for surrender that were widely broadcasted and circulated. The key difference that he could see was the tattoo that was etched on the left side of its exoskeletal forehead, if he could call it that.

Putting any thought of deciphering Umiak mannerisms aside he focused on what the message itself was. The first thing that came to mind was that the Umiak made no mention about the similarity between Humans and Loroi. Perhaps it tried to see if Humanity had made contact with the Loroi beforehand while also asking if they knew about the war at the first place. The way it immediately changed its tone into a humble greeting and understanding of the circumstances was probably intended to put them at ease in order to reveal more information about them. Hoping that this was what the Umiak wanted he decided to give them some info in order to get things move along.

“We have been informed about this war by a third party but what we heard was contradictory but nevertheless alarming. Our mission is to gather information and establish diplomatic contact with the combatants in order to understand what is happening. We temporarily strayed from our task in order to briefly examine this asteroid field and I am pleased to say that we finished our examination before you contacted us. In accordance to our orders I humbly request for you to escort us to a designated diplomatic authority of the Hierarchy in order to establish diplomatic contact. If this is impossible due to your orders then I humbly request for you to provide us with the information necessary in order to come into contact with that authority ourselves.” He smiled after reviewing everything and sending the message.

He thought it best not the mention the Orgus at this point, since they were refugees that fled Umiak occupation. The issue would probably surface later but at the moment it would just cause unnecessary friction and it was best not to disclose that fact just yet; having the Umiak guessing about what the humans knew and who had told them what, was also important and maybe it would help getting some more info out of the Umiak as well. The rest were their standing orders regarding the establishment of diplomatic contact with the proper authorities.

“Sir, the Umiak have sent us a reply!” Ensign Bessonov reported.

“That was quick; Lieutenant Grant?”

“Sir, it’s the same, lots of garbage on top of the audio and video.”

“Let’s see what they have to say.”

“Humbly we accept your request to escort you to the appropriate [Hierarchy] authorities. We find it necessary/appropriate to inform you that the nearest [Hierarchy] diplomatic delegate is 21 jumps away and as such we find it necessary/appropriate to ask you if you are capable to travel such a distance with your ship. If you are incapable we humbly offer to take some of you as passengers/guests so they may establish contact with [Hierarchy] diplomatic authorities.”

“They still haven’t said anything about our similarity with the Loroi…” Captain Asteios said outloud without thinking.

“There is no way that they don’t know how the Loroi look like after 25 years of war.” Lieutenant Martel commented.

“Which means that the Umiak chose not to say anything.”

“Sir, there is something weird going on with our communications systems.” Ensign Bessonov reported.

“Weird?”

“I suddenly got a number of weird glitches happening and…” The Ensign didn’t finish his sentence as Lieutenant Grant literally run to his station. “Make way.” The Lieutenant ordered and the Ensign
immediately stood aside.

“Lieutenant?” The Captain asked.

“Sir, I think we have been had.” The Lieutenant said with an alarmed voice. “I remembered reading a journal about the next gen attack malware that the various agencies are developing. One of the concepts that are been researched is to have the attack malware sent in pieces and then have it reassemble itself on the targeted computer systems. “

“The garbage?”

“That’s what reminded me of the journal sir and made me put up some software tripwires that the simulator jockeys use as insurance when they are against each other. Some of the tripwires got triggered but the anti malware system doesn’t detect them going off and… It’s saying that everything is normal but the tripwires keep getting triggered and… Shit, we have been had good!”

“What is it Lieutenant?”

“It’s the anti-malware suit of the communication system, it has been breached.”

“Are you certain lieutenant?”

“Sir, something is rewriting its functions as I am looking at it, we had made sure that all of our systems are isolated from each other with firewalls but I don’t know what this thing is yet, it may have spread elsewhere and…” The Lieutenant seemed perplexed as he examined something on the console.

“What is it?”

“Something is trying to get past the firewalls but everything is working as it should be and… yeah whatever this malware is, it is isolated on communications. I have isolated the system from the rest of the ship, it shouldn’t spread any further.” The Lieutenant reported. “If anyone sees any glitches then I want to know about them.”

“Will do, can you purge the comm. systems?”

“Yes sir, it shouldn’t take long to do a purge and have a clean installation… Wait, its trying to contact something off ship… sir its Umiak and it sent our location to them… no the location we were when we received the last Umiak transmission.”

“God damn it!” The malware, not asking about the obvious similarity of Humans and Loroi, immediately dropping the authoritarian tone and instantly accepting to escort them; it seemed too good to be true. “We have to assume that the Umiak intent on securing the ship by any means necessary in order to extract information from the computers and us.” He said with a forced steady voice. “We knew that this was a possibility…” The Captain shook his head and sighed. “But it hasn’t come down to that just yet. Lieutenant Grant can we use the internal comms?”

“No sir, it’s the same system.”

“Damn, how about the announcement system?”

“Wait a sec… yes it’s a different self contained system.” With that he quickly tapped in the necessary command.

“Attention all hands, our communication systems have been hacked by what looks to be an Umiak malware and has been locked down. All section leaders are to report to the bridge immediately.”

Chapter 11, part 2: http://www.well-of-souls.com/forums/vie ... 069#p20069
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After a really weird hiatus, which was split between RL stuff and rewrites, here is the first part of chapter 11.

Before anyone asks, the next POV is Umiak again for a reason.
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Vacation over? Nice to see an update. :mrgreen:

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Not exactly a vacation although it looks and feels like one :P

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I wonder if the umiak will try to storm the ship or if they remove the malware.

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Oh shit. :shock:
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Have the colonial fleet learned nothing from the Cylons?! :x

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Ouch.

But honestly, from my point of view, this is so extremely umlikely to happen.... Something like this can be dismissed as possible. Your story just lost much of its allure to me.
Software cannot alter itself to run better om other system architectures if it's not running yet.
There are so extremely many software architectures alone on Earth, that it is extremely hard to find out what is running where to be able to efficiently hack in. Best chances are with the widespread systems and simply run an attack for that, and have the attack fail when Linux is running on the targeted system.
And if you don't know your opponent at all, how can you know how his software and physical architecture works?
On Earth we have plenty Intel systems, with plenty different software architectures. Malware written for one does not run on other software architectures. And it's still the same physical system backing. But when the physical system changes to a completely different basis, all connections are lost.
Even for hardware malware (BIOS, controlling chips, ...) you need to know what the hardware system is.

And the simplest solution when "interpreting video and audio data" with garbage is: ignore garbage and load only video/audio data to play. The ignored data can only be used if you achieve buffer overflow errors, and for that, once again, you need to have exact knowledge of the software architecture (is the video software susceptible to overflow errors? (if yes, how?), will the system architecture misinterpret such data as commands? (if yes, how can this be triggered?), which commands make the hardware system do what you desire to achieve?).
Software snippets don't start running by themselves, they need to be started by some command.

It's the same reason where StarTrek always fails: everyone there is capable of operating systems of first contact aliens, without knowledge of their written language, knowledge of systems, ...
Just remember how Scotty programmed the formula for Aluminium-glass into PC's of the Eighties...(link)
I have pretty good knowledge of PC's of that time, and it would likely take me hours to find out how to construct a cylinder in the CAD software of back then,....
And I know plenty of engineers who would not be able to work with MS-DOS... Or chemical formula programs,...

Dang.
I'm still curious to see where your story goes....Plot point complained about, so I won't have the need to say more about it. Looking foreard to the next part...

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The problem with that view is that it is predicated on computers working the same in the 2150's as they do today and that Umiak programming has the same limitations we do.

Let us suppose for a moment that there are hard physical limits to computation. If your hardware architecture is constrained by the laws of physics, then there are only so many ways that you can build a computer advanced enough to run your ship. This would mean that certain aspects of computational design are convergent based on these physical limitations, therefore constraining what code you could use thus limiting the variables, and would mean that viral infections could spread if programmed well enough. Let us further suppose that computer programming also advances as time goes by. Programming today is fairly rigid, but even we have both metamorphic and polymorphic code.

Couple these two things together, plus the likelihood that the Umiak threw thousands of recombinant viruses at the Terran computers to see what would stick, and the likelihood that something could slip through becomes more probable. Add to this that the Umiak are more advanced technologically, and it's not too far fetched.
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I was thinking of this myself to be honest (50% of the re-writes are directly attributed to this), the problem from a storytelling perceptive was plausibility when taking into account current technological constraints/predictions vs the near certain possibility of radical changes in software and hardware development in the future.

To put it bluntly every last prediction that was made in the past regarding future computers and their software has been proven woefully inadequate, computer sciences jump ahead far faster than any other technological field. Just from the raw power perceptive the computers of today are leaps and bounds more capable than the computers a decade ago and will be far behind from the computers in ten years time.

20 to 30 years ago multi-threading was considered impossible from a programmer's perceptive yet here we are with multi core computers and programs that use such capabilities on their fullest extent. The same thing happened when 32bit programming came into the fray, no one believed that we would reach its RAM limit so quickly yet we did and had to jump to 64bit programming to use more RAM. Both of these changes that happened in the past decade alone were considered to be far fetched dreams 20 years ago, yet they did happen.

Computer sciences are ever evolving and in the end I had to take into account the seemingly impossible changes that occurred in the past, are occurring now and will keep occurring in the future. The story is placed in 2160, with the leaps and bounds that computers and their software are progressing it is certain that Matveyev's computer network alone to be stronger that the entire computing strength of modern day Earth, the software that runs on such a future network may seem as impossible/improbable to us as the Windows OS would be to the programmers of ENIAC back in 1943.

In the end I had to concede that magic does exists and we are using it right now to comment about a fan-fiction story that is centered around a small web-comic. If you think that this isn't 'magical' then imagine having to explain modern day computers and all of their applications to a 1915 scientist, not the average joe but a very intelligent scientist. I am not much of computer expert but I am certain that a 2160 machine will look like magic to me in the same way the 2015 machine will look to a 1915 average joe. The Umiak machines on the other hand?

Those are at least a tech level ahead of their 2160 human equivalents, had contact with many space faring civilizations of varying tech levels, including the captured machines of a tech level 12 species that have developed true artificial intelligence (and had historically meddled with many more species themselves).

Closing, I have to say that self learning programming is something that is already happening and is widely used in an every day fashion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning

EDIT: Razor One covered something that I forgot to mention: The physical limitations of computing, as he put it there is only so much that can be physically done to make the ground work of a computer work. In the end all modern computers work with the binary system and everything else is built on that system. Currently it is considered impossible to have a computer that is not based on binary, as I said above no one knows what the future of programming may be (especially the ones who are supposed to predict it) but if this limitation is to remain true then all computers of all species will have to work in binary at their basest levels.
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I agree with Dragoongfa, just because it's difficult or impossible for us doesn't mean it would to a species tech levels above us. With computers and software evolving the fastest out of all technologies, and them being like 200 or 300 years above us technology-wise at that point in the story, saying that infecting the terran ship with a complex virus is impossible seems a bit naive, no offence intended.

Very interesting piece Dragoongfa, the umiak are showing their true colours now, looking forward to the rest.

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Don't forget about abstraction layers. right now we are running 3-4 layers of abstraction before the code hits the hardware. I can easily see a future where we have 128bit memory address spaces, utilizing some sort of memory management system that automatically converts memory addressing to achieve the fastest possible speed.

Also it is currently possible with today's hardware. to take a modern x86 Cpu, and using software VM's, to run Mac OS System 7 6800 code and play system 7 games. How is by running a PPC emulator on top of the X86, and then running a 6800 emulator on top of the PPC emulator, with approbate system steps along the way.

Another century and we can double or triple layer that, with all sorts of random complexities thrown in.

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Re: [Fan Fiction] Looking forward to the Mirror

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So the infection is only in the communications system? Maybe communication systems are supposed to follow some kind of standard in the region? Unless you intend for the infection to spread to other systems there is an easy way out there. The Orgus informed about the standard communication system that they would need to have to be able to even let their computers have an handshake with those alien computers. The plus side is that their computers can talk with the foreign ones to trade data with them, like speech and real time visuals. The downside is the risk of attracting malware. That is what firewalls are for. Their firewalls just are to weak. They should ask the loroi for a patch.

If you go this path then they should have their old and incompatible communication system around as well and just need to hook it up. Other systems are, hopefully immune due to incompatibility. Besides Matveyev should count as a military ship and as such have extra precautions. The easily hacked Orgus ships where probably civilian.

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Re: [Fan Fiction] Looking forward to the Mirror

Post by Krulle »

The issue is not the hardware.
The issue is the software.
non-live Communication usually does not include the computers doing a handshake beyond (here I am, this is my maximum communication speed). The data shared is video and audio only, and that must be according to a standardized protocol.
Self-programming software still needs preliminary abilities to run commands. If the software is not run, as no command gave it a start, nothing will happen. To run legacy programs we need tomi stall interpreters converting the commands into modern commands. And anOne working on those emulators will tell you how hard it is to make them run correctly for all programs. I do use dosbox a lot, and while it's very good, it still won't run some of my old programs...
And why would you install a command-interpreter to run unknown code on security snsitive machines (like any military machine)? If you need a certain application in such an environment, it will be proammed specifically for the systems there, and will not use a command interpreter (emulator).

Tri-state diodes, and computers using those, exist, albeit it currently only for research purposes....

Anyway, many SciFi stories use programs like this, and from a story telling point I will accept them, although it is hard work to make software written on and for apple systems also run on windows systems, I cannot fathm anything that would make apple programs run on unknown target systems. The way our hardware implements commands already separates windows, linux, and apple systems, although the hardware below is compatible/the same (for cost efficiency reasons, apple desktop computers use Intel hardware, the same as you can buy for using windows, just one small extra chip will allow apple OS to install on such systems, as apple OS will check presence of this chip during installation). Running unknown commands.... You need buffer overflow errors for that, and that is hard to do if you know the target system in detail. Software without hardware running it will do nothing.

Anyway, this is a storypoint for the Humans to disclose where they've been, and for the Umiak to act on it, as they can see quite a few "Humans" over there, and will interpret the Matveyev as being an unmanned drone (their device does not detect lifesigns on the Matveyev) they can shoot down to prevent getting inbetween their Loroi targets and a drone manipulated by them and possibly militaristic in nature...
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