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We have two threads, "what to send to the Loroi" and "What not to send to the Loroi". This thread however, for good or bad what they will find on their on their own if an exchange of people are done and we get a Loroi community on earth, whatever if the people there are actually Loroi or their allies/clients. Think of it what can happen if you get a surprise visitor with just half an hour warning, quickly clean up your home filling the closet with stuff you didn't have time to deal with at the time. Then you house guests manage to stumble into your junk filled closet and somehow find four pornstash in your bedroom and sit down at your computer and start surfing.

So for good or bad, what will the Loroi community find out about earth on their own when living among us? How will they react? Have fun.


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If Alex' reaction to their food is any indication, they will have very intricate knowledge of how a toilet works in short order. :mrgreen:

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If Alex' reaction to their food is any indication, they will have very intricate knowledge of how a toilet works in short order. :mrgreen:


Imagine that the higher ups will avoid that problem by eating expensive imported food but the lower ranks and those out of favour risk being assign to food testing duty. Interesting enough what they do find edible may not necessarily be that from a human point of view. This could be out of biological or cultural reasons. Here in Sweden we like to throw crawl fish parties in the autumn. Sadly our own cralfish are largely depleted due to crawl fish plague and as such we have been forced to import most of what we consume. Much of what we import comes from countries where the locals do not consider cralw fish fit for human consumption of cultural or religious reasons but they gladly earn a buck selling this "filth" to us.


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If Alex' reaction to their food is any indication, they will have very intricate knowledge of how a toilet works in short order. :mrgreen:


I have a feeling that Alex either didn't get properly prepared/cooked Loroi food (because Stillstorm and co were still bitchy) or that the food he was served was highly nutritius but barely edible even by Loroi standards, something like modern high nutrition combat rations, they fill the belly and have what the body needs but they taste awful.

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... or they come from a place that isn't Earth, making it surprising to me that there was anything there Alex could eat.

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If Alex' reaction to their food is any indication, they will have very intricate knowledge of how a toilet works in short order. :mrgreen:


Imagine that the higher ups will avoid that problem by eating expensive imported food but the lower ranks and those out of favour risk being assign to food testing duty. Interesting enough what they do find edible may not necessarily be that from a human point of view. This could be out of biological or cultural reasons. Here in Sweden we like to throw crawl fish parties in the autumn. Sadly our own cralfish are largely depleted due to crawl fish plague and as such we have been forced to import most of what we consume. Much of what we import comes from countries where the locals do not consider cralw fish fit for human consumption of cultural or religious reasons but they gladly earn a buck selling this "filth" to us.


Funnily enough, that's exactly the story behind lobster.

It used to be, prior to the mid 19th century, that you only fed lobster to prisoners as a form of cruel and unusual punishment or if you were dirt poor. The perception of eating lobster then was about the same as the perception of eating dog food would be nowadays, and was seriously only considered as a form of fertiliser. Perceptions changed, and now you pay through the nose to eat the cockroach of the sea. :lol:

Similar stuff happened with the potato and the tomato, both viewed as poisonous upon their introduction to European markets. Falsely in the case of the tomato, correctly in the case of the potato. Funnily enough, if the potato were to come on the market today, it'd be banned for being too poisonous to eat. The potato actually has a fairly fascinating history, I seriously suggest reading up at some point.

As for the topic at hand, they quickly learn that we've had advance knowledge of their species for some time, even if we did misidentify them as 'elves', and become extraordinarily paranoid about the people they can't read and have to trust at their word, especially given how we seem to know about different Loroi subtypes unknown to them and who no longer seem to be around anymore...

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You are eating the wrong part of potato.

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It would be fun seeing the loroi version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3oxd8i ... z&index=25


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You are eating the wrong part of potato.


All of the potato is poisonous. Everything above the ground is poisonous, and the potato itself is has poison in it too. Cooking destroys most of the poison, whilst leaving the potato in even dim lighting makes it even more poisonous due to sprouting.

Believe it or not, potatoes are poisonous.

Delicious, tasty, wonderful poison. :lol:

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... or they come from a place that isn't Earth, making it surprising to me that there was anything there Alex could eat.


I think that if the food ingredients are carbon based organic materials then they should be safe for consumption unless their are extremely acidic/alkaline in nature. Biologists I know raged at the whole Levo/Dextro amino acid thing in Mass Effect since we can consume both protein types already.

With the above in mind consider that a lot of human food is barely digestible if not properly prepared for consumption, for example here is a short guide as to why potatoes should properly be cooked first and that their raw consumption should be avoided:

http://www.newhealthguide.org/Raw-Potato.html

Generally speaking, the only raw food that we can eat are fruit, certain vegetables (tomatoes) and red meat. The two greatest staples of human diet, grain and rice, need to be cooked first before they can be eaten (grain can be boiled in order to be consumed as food). I think that approx 75% of our dietary needs revolve around cooked materials and I think that once I read a scientific journal that said that cooked meals, especially meat, are far more nutritious than their raw ingredients.

The reason this came to my mind are the containers the food came in:

http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider_ch2.html

To me they look a lot like combat ration/raw ingredient containers instead of what would go around in a mess hall.

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hi hi

Technically speaking, everything has an LD50, including water.

It really isn't necessary to cook most foods, including grains and rice, but it certainly makes them a lot safer. Historically speaking, early humans ate raw fruits, grains, vegetables, and also frequently suffered illnesses for which there were no cures. In the absence of fire, soaking was also a common way to try to reduce the risk of food-borne illness. Technically not cooking, but still preparing by other means.


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Similar stuff happened with the potato and the tomato, both viewed as poisonous upon their introduction to European markets. Falsely in the case of the tomato, .


actually people did get poisoned from eating tomato, but the problem wasnt the legume (i refuse to call that a fruit) in itself but rather the composition of the plate.

some plate contained a hight concentration of lead and the acidic nature of the tomato eased the transfer of the lead from the plate to the food. So people got sick because of that and assumed it was the tomato :)


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Generally speaking, the only raw food that we can eat are fruit, certain vegetables (tomatoes) and red meat. The two greatest staples of human diet, grain and rice, need to be cooked first before they can be eaten (grain can be boiled in order to be consumed as food).


Various kinds of seafood is eaten raw.

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Generally speaking, the only raw food that we can eat are fruit, certain vegetables (tomatoes) and red meat. The two greatest staples of human diet, grain and rice, need to be cooked first before they can be eaten (grain can be boiled in order to be consumed as food).


Various kinds of seafood is eaten raw.


As a Japanfile I must commit seppuku for forgetting Sushi.

Sushi still needs some preparation though :P

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Loroi technology are largely the result of reverse engineering of anchient tech. Here on earth reverse engineering are more a question of industrial espionage. Some cultures are just that good at inovating new things. Japan aquired primitive, fuselock muskets from europeans in the late 16th century. When their isolaton was broken in the middle of the 19th century. They had the finest fuselock muskets the world had ever seen. Once japan was forced to join the rest of the world and did away with their cast system they finally took of as a modern nation. It is possible that Loroi technology while generally superior to human tech, the Loroi may have missed some fields and still be behind in those fields. I can expect some people sent to earth to look for such technologies. Add to this cultural differences to explore.


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It is possible that Loroi technology while generally superior to human tech, the Loroi may have missed some fields and still be behind in those fields.


Sure. But then the Delrias, Pipolsid, Neridi, Barsam, Mannadi, and Arekka, have missed out on those fields as well.

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It is possible that Loroi technology while generally superior to human tech, the Loroi may have missed some fields and still be behind in those fields.


Sure. But then the Delrias, Pipolsid, Neridi, Barsam, Mannadi, and Arekka, have missed out on those fields as well.


Possible but I got the impression that reverse engineering ancient tech was pretty much the stepping stone for most of them. If so, you may fail to create an innovation culture. The story clearly shows that while human tech is still behind we are advancing very fast. Once we catch up, if the others have not yet changed their culture, they be left behind. The Loroi are dominating the other cultures, except for the historians and as such may have stifled progress they would otherwise have.


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I intended this threads for snippets of interactions between loroi and humans mostly so here comes one.

Moonsword, a teidar security guard assigned to the loroi embassy, out exploring the humans city on her free time didn't really see the point of it but orders where to interact with humans so they get used to us. The humans where now used to see plenty of the orgus on newsreels, a physically very different species had found it much easier to get used to the loroi "they look like us" they said and all that. Little did the majority of the humans understand that the orgus where probably a lot more human like culturally.

Moonsword felt comforted with the nearby presence of the liztel Jenna, now in conversation with a human merchant. Bored Moonsword looked at the architectural design of a highrise building and felt a tug of homesickness due to it's similarity to a prominent building in her home city on the homeworld. Then her eyes focused on a walk bridge in the foreground of the building. A small human, a boy balancing on the bridge railing. His walk was unsteady and then it happen, he fell and a scream was heard from a woman, probably his caretaker. Moonswords quick psychic reflexes lashed out and pressed the boy against the bridge railing to slow down the fall. Then she shifted to put pressure underneath him slowly lowering him down to the street below since her power did not allow her to lift his weight up to the bridge again, only slow the fall. Then she relaxed her concentration for a few seconds. Then it happened, a roaring thunder of a sound from the people around her, there was "wow", "hoorays" and phrases like "did you see that?" followed with a comment in zanzai from Jenna: -Now you done it, we need to milk this for all it's propaganda value it is worth. Plenty of witnesses, security cameras and private recording devices.

Three days later Moonsword had to deal with being the star at a local media show "hero of the month" and meeting the kid who had been saved by "the blue lady" in his own words, and his grateful mother. Somehow she suspected she would have to actually talk.


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Mizol Lennai Darkspring was glad her friend and partner, Listel Sininran Skybright was with her, as they entered the office of Torrai Soshret Sixwinds, the commander of the mission to Humaniti. She wasn't sure why the two most junior members of the mission had been summoned to meet directly with its most senior member, but supposed it could only be for something very good, or something very bad. Certainly it wasn't for anything normal. She and Skybright had hardly done a thing since the mission started other than sit in a basement learning the ins and outs of the Human's World-net. The prevalence of subversives, half truths, outright lies, and cat videos (so cute!) hardly seems like something the mission commander would need to hear about directly. Well, she though, as she cleared her mind of extraneous thoughts, there's only one way to find out what this is about...


"Mizol Lennai Darkspring and Listel Sininran Skybright reporting as ordered!"




[I've worked out where this is going, but I am not so quick (or good) at writing it all out. Maybe I will come back to it later...]


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Listel Sininran Selie walked at a casual pace amongst the hustle and bustle of San Francisco, one of Earth's more cosmopolitan cities as described by the translated information package. Few people took note of her in their rush to get to work, school, or wherever it was that humans rushed about to get to. The odd person stared at her before clucking in recognition, and every so often one would take a picture, but Selie had become accustomed to human curiosity.

Ordinarily the packed streets and humans brushing by would have triggered a panic attack in most Loroi, but not so for Selie. She had always been something of a deviant within her own diral. The shunning she'd received had been her first hint that there was something unusual and unacceptable about her behaviour amongst other Loroi, and by the time her diral had finished their trial she'd learned to control and seal away her inappropriate feelings such that none would ever guess at her true nature. The mission to Earth had changed things however. Here, her comrades were the odd ones out, uncomfortable amongst Earth's teeming masses. Here, what was considered taboo was a part of ordinary discourse between humans every day.

"Selie! Selie over here!" called Melissa Parker, one of the support staff for the Loroi mission.

Selie waved and weaved her way through the crowd, a skill she was growing more adept at day by day, into the cafe where her human friend was already seated.

"Hello, Miss Parker," said Selie, offering her hand.

Melissa reached out and shook her hand exactly as the information package had described.

The act of touching, so common amongst this species, and so rare amongst us, is it because they lack Sanzai? Is that why they accept touch so readily? she thought.

The two sat at a table and ordered drinks. Melissa ordered a coffee, something their biochemists had warned the Loroi off of until toxicology could be properly ascertained, whilst Selie ordered red bush tea, a rich and aromatic drink that reminded her of Deinar's siilad tea.

"How are the others doing?" asked Melissa.

Their drinks arrived before Selie could answer, giving her a moment as she sipped the glorious smelling tea to consider her answer.

"Not quite as well as I am. It's the crowding. Many thought that the population figures for your cities were far too high for their given area, that nobody so like us could live so densely packed," said Selie, "It's also the... silence."

"Silence?" asked Melissa with a quirked eyebrow.

"Ah, I'm sorry, I meant telepathic silence. Humans are so very quiet that it's a bit disturbing to some," explained Selie.

"But not to you?" asked Melissa.

"As I said, I am coping much better than my peers. I feel that it's merely a period of adjustment that will pass with time, though perhaps it would do well to alleviate their stress," said Selie.

"Hmm, a way to relieve stress... somewhere isolated? What would work best... let me think..." murmured Melissa in thought.

There are still some nuances of verbal communication that I don't understand. Is this that 'thinking out loud' that I have heard of? thought Selie.

"Hmm, yes, there are a few areas on Earth that are still relatively devoid of people despite our high population. There are regions in Australia which are quite empty and from the information package seem to resemble some of the harsher areas of Deinar. Certain Pacific Islands may also fit the bill, and if they really want some privacy we could always visit Antarctica, provided your friends don't mind the cold," said Melissa.

"I shall have to see what the group thinks," said Selie, finishing off her drink and regretting only that there wasn't more.

"And I'll have to pass this up the chain to get approval. Same time tomorrow?" asked Melissa.

"Certainly!" affirmed Selie.

The human approached her. Any other Loroi would have perceived this as a prelude to an attack and reacted accordingly. Depending on their training, those in the Mizol caste would have stiffened or awkwardly returned the gesture. Selie however was a deviant. An unusual Loroi who had only managed to fit into her society by burying her feelings and proclivities deep within herself. Every day on Earth brought them more and more to the fore, to the point that Selie was seriously considering making her stay on Earth a permanent one.

Thus it was no trouble at all for the young Listel to return Melissa's brief and friendly hug without a trace of stiffening or awkwardness.

"Until then," said Melissa, waving as they parted ways.

"Until tomorrow," said Selie, before melting back into the pressing crowds.

She briefly considered going directly back to the Loroi compound before deciding that they could await this news until Melissa had contacted her with confirmation about their proposal. For now, she felt it was best to do her job and observe Humaniti in its natural state, crowded, packed and touching each other constantly in a way that only an Outsider could see.

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Selie is humankin confirmed? :D

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She's just an oddball / deviant who happens to fit in extraordinarily well into human society. Just as there are people who can't stand to be touched or hate crowds here on Earth, she's just a little bit on the weird side and happens to enjoy touch and packed crowds. Human lotai adds another layer to it, since there's no telepathic noise to gum up her mind and being surrounded by a people who have customs where touch is involved... she's in heaven.

To put it into a human perspective, she enjoys hugs, but has lived in a society where hugs, casual contact and merely touching is extraordinarily taboo. Then she finds herself amongst a culture and people where hugs are everywhere, hand holding is widely accepted, and brushing by each other in crowds is par for the course. She's very much in love, so I'd say humanphile, rather than humankin, since the latter implies identity rather than a particular quirk.

I'm thinking of doing a Perrein Cuisine is Best Cuisine oneshot next, but I figure I'll let the muse recharge until tomorrow.

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So Selie long for contact with other living being, but being a loroi it would be strange if she started touching her comrade?

*put some Barry white*

there, it should help!


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While I am horrible with names I think I got the idea across with this thread. In my case I got inspired by real events. A major newspaper here used to have this "everyday heroes" thing going on and of the monthly winners was an immigrant that managed to catch a small boy that fell out of a window/balcony. It is easy to get inspiration from real events and use them in a fictional setting. Keep them coming.


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dragoongfa wrote:
I have a feeling that Alex either didn't get properly prepared/cooked Loroi food (because Stillstorm and co were still bitchy) or that the food he was served was highly nutritius but barely edible even by Loroi standards, something like modern high nutrition combat rations, they fill the belly and have what the body needs but they taste awful.


The Loroi mostly eat pre-prepared rations IIRC. So pretty much everything he got would have been a space-MRE.


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