Re: Page 103 discussion.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 9:13 pm
Awesome! Page 103! Grats Arioch for getting another beautiful piece created and posted. Also, I would personally pay $10 per page of updates via Patreon.
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It would be cooler IF it is true and then Alex comes up with a suggestion that saves the day. He is a strategic expert after all. Human contribution to the war: One military adviser. Result: Loroi Union wins!icekatze wrote:hi hi
I admit, there are certainly plenty of ambiguities, and that it is hard to rule out any number of possibilities for certain. Regardless of what Good 'Ol Clicky is up to, I think there is at least enough potential to not dismiss his claims out of hand. His telling the truth isn't impossible, although that doesn't make it true.
Well, he does have a PayPal donation link.Grayhome wrote:Awesome! Page 103! Grats Arioch for getting another beautiful piece created and posted. Also, I would personally pay $10 per page of updates via Patreon.
He's a strategic expert with spacecraft that maneuver at 6Gs. Until he knows even the basics of Loroi and Umiak spacecraft's capabilities, he's at best an amateur and at worst an Armchair Admiral.Sweforce wrote:It would be cooler IF it is true and then Alex comes up with a suggestion that saves the day. He is a strategic expert after all. Human contribution to the war: One military adviser. Result: Loroi Union wins!icekatze wrote:hi hi
I admit, there are certainly plenty of ambiguities, and that it is hard to rule out any number of possibilities for certain. Regardless of what Good 'Ol Clicky is up to, I think there is at least enough potential to not dismiss his claims out of hand. His telling the truth isn't impossible, although that doesn't make it true.
Corporal, learn to historyRedDwarfIV wrote:
One of the reasons the Allies had an easier time of rolling up Germany in WW2 was that Hitler believed he was a better strategist than his generals, on the basis that he'd been in the Army once. As a private.
Bad advice becomes a problem when you decides to follow them. An outside view can be useful but ultimately they cannot jut let him run the show but maybe he have inspirational suggestions. Are the loroi really "better" then humans? They have longevity, in theory but they have lost a lot off people and been replaced with what would be children on earth. Rapid maturity are a physical thing, experience takes time even if sanzai allow for faster education. Are they really good at "thinking outside the box"? Do they listen to advice from their allies?RedDwarfIV wrote:He's a strategic expert with spacecraft that maneuver at 6Gs. Until he knows even the basics of Loroi and Umiak spacecraft's capabilities, he's at best an amateur and at worst an Armchair Admiral.Sweforce wrote:It would be cooler IF it is true and then Alex comes up with a suggestion that saves the day. He is a strategic expert after all. Human contribution to the war: One military adviser. Result: Loroi Union wins!icekatze wrote:hi hi
I admit, there are certainly plenty of ambiguities, and that it is hard to rule out any number of possibilities for certain. Regardless of what Good 'Ol Clicky is up to, I think there is at least enough potential to not dismiss his claims out of hand. His telling the truth isn't impossible, although that doesn't make it true.
One of the reasons the Allies had an easier time of rolling up Germany in WW2 was that Hitler believed he was a better strategist than his generals, on the basis that he'd been in the Army once. As a private.
I wear wax earplugs when I write and sleep for a reasonSweforce wrote:If it turns out that what is used to block fareers are technological and can be captured, then it may even be reverse engineered and improved upon. Let's say there could be a "mind blocking" device that could be worn as a headgear and available to the masses. Then when a loroi, or one of their scannable allies could use this to get some private time. This could be a great stress release. While sensory deprivation can be used for torture, some people actually use it as a sort of therapy. Sometimes we just want to be left alone and undisturbed.
[/quote][/quote]Sweforce wrote:If the humans been allowed a few more centuries of progress we would have caught up with the loroi union technologically due to our more rapid progress, established more colonies and buildt a larger fleet. With let's say two hundred more years the tech difference would be so small that it would be easy to absorb the differences. So no, the loroi are not "better" then humans, they are better at some things but they have severe drawbacks as well.RedDwarfIV wrote:He's a strategic expert with spacecraft that maneuver at 6Gs. Until he knows even the basics of Loroi and Umiak spacecraft's capabilities, he's at best an amateur and at worst an Armchair Admiral.Sweforce wrote:It would be cooler IF it is true and then Alex comes up with a suggestion that saves the day. He is a strategic expert after all. Human contribution to the war: One military adviser. Result: Loroi Union wins!
One of the reasons the Allies had an easier time of rolling up Germany in WW2 was that Hitler believed he was a better strategist than his generals, on the basis that he'd been in the Army once. As a private.
Its not because British and American armies don't recognize the rank of lance-corporal (or second/vice corporal or whatever other name), that others follow suit. *shrugs*RedDwarfIV wrote:As for Corporal, that's what I originally thought he was, but Wikipedia said he reached the rank of 'Gefreiter', and that it was equivalent to NATO OR-2. In both the British and American armies, that's a Private. Damn it, Wikipedia, I trusted you!
I could be totally wrong, but if memory serves, he was the academy chess champion and my understanding was that chess is fairly straightforward and orthodox for a strategy game. Again I could be wrong. That being said, if I am indeed correct, then he may not just be good at lateral thinking and strategic applications of lateral thinking but also have a good understanding of more orthodox strategy and its uses. We are told people in the academy are the best and brightest humanity has and the fleet really wanted him for war games, I think he is a strategic genius.Voitan wrote:I'm betting conservative thinking is a standard amongst Loroi, given unwanted thoughts are a real issue for Loroi morale.
Lateral thinking is probably more the talent Jardin is noted for, and not exactly being some strategic genius, but surely a quality that would make him one, given more practical experience if given the opportunity.
As it is, it'd be only when a risky gambit that catches off guard an opponent would people mistake him for a strategic genius.
The problem is that top of the class at the academy doesn't mean top field commanders:NuclearIceCream wrote:I could be totally wrong, but if memory serves, he was the academy chess champion and my understanding was that chess is fairly straightforward and orthodox for a strategy game. Again I could be wrong. That being said, if I am indeed correct, then he may not just be good at lateral thinking and strategic applications of lateral thinking but also have a good understanding of more orthodox strategy and its uses. We are told people in the academy are the best and brightest humanity has and the fleet really wanted him for war games, I think he is a strategic genius.Voitan wrote:I'm betting conservative thinking is a standard amongst Loroi, given unwanted thoughts are a real issue for Loroi morale.
Lateral thinking is probably more the talent Jardin is noted for, and not exactly being some strategic genius, but surely a quality that would make him one, given more practical experience if given the opportunity.
As it is, it'd be only when a risky gambit that catches off guard an opponent would people mistake him for a strategic genius.
Whether or not he is the second coming of Bonaparte or Hannibal remains to be seen however.
There's no need for the all Loroi to be cold reading experts, when they can simply brain-scan any aliens around. The only species that does not apply to is humans, of which only Alex is present for now. And they have diplomatic officers that ARE cold reading experts to deal with him and one another. Sarcasm is unimportant to them, or to the war.peragrin wrote:The technology of this story has been intriguing me for many years. In the limited number of pages Alex can bring one thing to the Loroi that the limited number of pages shown. The knowledge of sarcasm. Words lie, is the Loroi way. Alex can sit next to one of their ambassadors and determine which is truth and which is lie easier than them.
Farseers detect not only thoughts but some sort of ''sentience signal'' minds give off. At least, that's how I understand it. We don't really know if they would have trouble detecting a mind that is comatose or asleep. That's something Arioch can better answer. Also farsense is dependant on distance and interference from other sentients. They apparently don't count the minds they see, rather they take educated guesses about the numbers present. They would still be detected the moment they jumped into the systems, and then it becomes a problem of how fast they would be in fighting condition. Also, I think the Loroi would interdict even small, 100 strong fleets before they reach the fortified worlds. Or at least scout them ahead. That's what the no-man's lands were created for.peragrin wrote:farseer's detect presence, and living organisms. They can count, and thus know if the enemy has 100, or 1,000 or 10,000 personnel in system. Those numbers lead to obvious fleet arrangements. The umiak genetically engineer themselves. What if they induced a coma to 75% of the crew. At that range could a farseer detect them? It takes hours to jump in a system and move onward. That is plenty of time to bring the crew up to combat abilities. especially if you genetically engineer them to be able to do that. So the Loroi farseer would sense 100 minds, and then hours before combat sense 1,000. They would be out matched. (exact number made up to illustrate point, I don't see the umiak using extreme automation to do the same thing)