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It's out and all I can think of is that I will never be strapped on my seat by Beryl :oops:


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Hmm...

Taking into account that 1 Solon is roughly equal to 1 Second then the trip to the frigate will take 5 hours and 20 minutes.

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Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:14 am
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If I was getting strapped in by beryl I would be resisting less.

So the shuttle doesn't have a jump engine which makes sense. I wonder if it will drop them off /then return and if stillstorm approved it's use or it is being borrowed by Tempo?

Yes I can see Stillstorm allowing it's use to get rid of him faster.


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Five and a half hours on the shuttle and then three weeks to Seren?

I've got a sneaking suspicion that the shuttle is not going to have a smooth trip, and that the Clearbrook is never going to feature in the comic except as a rapidly expanding superheated gas cloud.

Much to Stillstorms chagrin.

Also, Beryl is adorable. That is all.

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A new page! What better way to start a new day? :)

My guess would be, that Tempo "borrowed" the shuttle somehow and Stillstorms only reply would be something like: "Fine, you can have the shuttle, but don't let it poo on the seats!"

In the last panel, Beryl looks like a mother, strapping her toddler in some kind of baby buggy (I hope thats the right english word for Kinderwagen).

Anyway: page looks beautiful, as always. :) Thanks, Arioch!

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I imagine that Stillstorms line was more like "Fine, he can ride my shuttle, he can ride it straight to hell for all I care! And you can ride with him too! Just get him off. My. Ship!"

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Awesome new page!

Anyone have any idea as to why Tempo suddenly decided to tag along? I have a few.


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Awesome new page!

Anyone have any idea as to why Tempo suddenly decided to tag along? I have a few.


Tempo and Stillstorm disagree about Alex importance. Stillstorm see him as an abomination while Tempo see him as a powerful resource. He is of the template species the loroi where made to mimic an that fact does not fit well with many traditional loroi that see themselves as the the Soia's chosen successor.

My guess is that she planned the trip an simply withold the fact that she intended to be onboard. I also have this feeling that Tempo told Beryl that Stillstorm wanted her out of her sight. Tempo is the one that really have rifled her up not Beryl. Basically I suspect that Tempo are deserting her position, stealing the shuttle and the alien prisoner and whatever personnel she can recruit for this very illegal mission. They are stealing Stillstorm shuttle!


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I find it difficult to believe you could steal the Captain's personal shuttle on a ship like that without the command crew knowing. And then there is the Loroi penchant for brutal honesty. Just not seeing that kind of duplicity. Tempo is a diplomatic officer. If this is a first contact situation, her presence is a forgone conclusion. If this is an Umiak ruse, who better than a diplomatic officer and a walking recording machine to expose it?



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I've got a sneaking suspicion that the shuttle is not going to have a smooth trip, and that the Clearbrook is never going to feature in the comic except as a rapidly expanding superheated gas cloud.


I find myself hoping you are correct if only because its one less set Arioch has to build.



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(I hope thats the right english word for Kinderwagen).


It gets the point across. English is weird some times, the "correct" word depends on which side of the pond you're on. USA uses stroller or baby carriage (depending on which way the child faces). UK uses... pram?


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Tempo doesn't have to go that far, since as the Mizol assigned on Tempest has the authority to issue admiralty level commands on certain issues and if this isn't one of them I don't know what would be. There is also the fact that Tempo is in a way Stillstorm's expendable leash (somewhat expendable), Stillstorm must be a problem child for Emperor Greywind and as such the Mizol assigned to her has to have a wide set of orders and the necessary pre-approved authority from up high to do so.

I don't believe that this is stealing the shuttle as much as it is Stillstorm grudgingly conceding that she can't win this fight with the hand she has been dealt with; furthermore if I am right and Tempo is Stillstorm's leash then Stillstorm kills two birds with one stone. She gets rid of the potential Umiak agent, she gets some time of peace and quiet without Tempo while also having the bonus of getting to not see Beryl and possibly Fireblade for some time.

All things considered, providing her personal shuttle could be seen as her own 'goodbye and choke on it' gesture.

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am i the only one who were thinking: She touched him! she touched Him!!!!! in the second panel.


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Hmmm. If I had to guess what happens next... I don't think Tempo is lying, either directly or through Beryl by proxy, about this whole affair. If there IS a twist, and I think there might be just because that's a long timeskip to put this early after the larger timeskip of Alex's confinement, I don't think it'll be the Clearbrook being destroyed and the shuttle forced back to the Tempest, but more likely a surprise action by Umiak or someone else to capture and board the shuttle.

or it could just be there's a log and interesting conversation to eat up pages before jumping ahead to the Clearbrook, idk.

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Finally I thought it would be 2018 when we got another update knock on wood. Also I am not sure I'd want Fireblade out of my I sight. Rule 1 of Alpha is never let a crazy chick out of your sight when she is freaking armed.

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am i the only one who were thinking: She touched him! she touched Him!!!!! in the second panel.


I KNOW...jitters! {Big GRIN!} :)

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In the last panel, Beryl looks like a mother, strapping her toddler in some kind of baby buggy ...


hehe! Mama.. I want one too! Beryl could strap me in ANY TIME! lols!

But... all cheese aside... yes it IS a very beautiful page! love it! :D

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Karst45 wrote:
am i the only one who were thinking: She touched him! she touched Him!!!!! in the second panel.


She is xenophile after all. She used an excusable opportunity to tuch him rather then simply show him while strapping herself.


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I got the impression that Alex was moving so that Beryl could better reach the straps rather than trying to resist getting buckled in, and maybe taking the opportunity to look toward the back at the same time.

Also, given that the shuttle was converted to transport cargo, and Tempo was apologizing about the lack of amenities, I get the impression that Stillstorm doesn't much care for her personal shuttle except for the utility that it provides her militarily. Stillstorm strikes me as the kind of person who would rather be on the bridge anyways.

Edit: on closer inspection, it does seem that Beryl has a rather concerned look when she is touching Alex's shoulder, and while it seems like she is prodding him to one side so she can strap him in, I don't doubt that his total lack of reaction to being touched has gone unnoticed.


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But it is not skin-to-skin touching.

It may well be that Beryl is testing his ability to block Sanzai, and if he needs to consciously block the Loroi.
This does not seem to be the case when touching his clothing, so next time she might try for touching skin.

And maybe she wants to know how it would be NOT feeling and knowing everything about someone close.

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Is that a 5-point harness she's puting him in?
How? That seat is obviosly not suitable for such a harness. What's more, if there's a possible need of restraining the body with such a harness you'd also need a HANS device (restricting the movement of the head, acts like an airbag. Or even better - a Hybrid head restraint, as this one also secures head during a side-to-side motion), unless the Loroi have insanely tough neck muscles.

I assume Loroi pelvis is built differently and thus they don't use a 6-point harness instead.


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Razor One wrote:
I've got a sneaking suspicion that the shuttle is not going to have a smooth trip, and that the Clearbrook is never going to feature in the comic except as a rapidly expanding superheated gas cloud.


Yeah. I hope that shuttle has good emergency supplies.


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Is that a 5-point harness she's puting him in?
How? That seat is obviosly not suitable for such a harness. What's more, if there's a possible need of restraining the body with such a harness you'd also need a HANS device (restricting the movement of the head, acts like an airbag. Or even better - a Hybrid head restraint, as this one also secures head during a side-to-side motion), unless the Loroi have insanely tough neck muscles.

I assume Loroi pelvis is built differently and thus they don't use a 6-point harness instead.

Or Arioch thought it would look weird if the seat belt was the same design as humans use. Sometimes you need a reminder that aliens think differently.

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I fail to see how the seat is unsuitable for a 5 point harness. There are uses for 5 point harnesses other than race cars, and in fact, that exact setup has been used in military vehicles, from helicopters to jeeps, without any head restraints.


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rewik wrote:
Is that a 5-point harness she's puting him in?
How? That seat is obviosly not suitable for such a harness. What's more, if there's a possible need of restraining the body with such a harness you'd also need a HANS device (restricting the movement of the head, acts like an airbag. Or even better - a Hybrid head restraint, as this one also secures head during a side-to-side motion), unless the Loroi have insanely tough neck muscles.

I assume Loroi pelvis is built differently and thus they don't use a 6-point harness instead.

Or Arioch thought it would look weird if the seat belt was the same design as humans use. Sometimes you need a reminder that aliens think differently.


The shuttle got inertial dampers, if there isn't a risk they may fail they shouldn't need any seatbelts at all. The dampeners could be less then 100% effective thou and a massive G force are then reduced to a smaller, bearable one. That would still allow for a simpler belt.

I just noticed that it is Tempo that tell Alex that the shuttle got inertial dampeners while it is Beryl who strap him in. I can understand that there may be a need to keep the dampeners off during launch from the Tempest shuttlebay only a simple belt would be required. This tells me that A: Alex are strapped up to prevent him from moving around (they have treated him as a prisoner so far) or B: They expect a rough start that may disable the inertial dampeners, supporting the shuttle hijacking theory. Another possibility is that they need to flee the Tempest during an ongoing battle and just keep their cool to not worry Alex to avoid having a panicking prisoner to deal with.

For those that wonder where the straps are I imagine that they are hidden in the seat in the crack between the two dark grey areas in middle of the seat. I guess that the top one can flip open to expose a compartment there. That is an awkward way to do it so those straps are probably used only rarely and probably never during normal operation of the shuttle. It is also possible that there isn't any straps in the seat at all and the loroi armour have an anchorpoint somewhere that hook them into the seat. Non armour wearing persons like Alex and Shoegirl will instead need to wear an harness providing the anchorpoint to the seat.


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Or Arioch thought it would look weird if the seat belt was the same design as humans use. Sometimes you need a reminder that aliens think differently.

But they are using the same design as humans use. Had they not used the harness at all, I'd have no objections - I'd assume the inertial dampers would take care of the job. But now that they're securing him into the seat, a number of questions crop up.
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I fail to see how the seat is unsuitable for a 5 point harness. There are uses for 5 point harnesses other than race cars, and in fact, that exact setup has been used in military vehicles, from helicopters to jeeps, without any head restraints.

The seat is quite long, and there is no opening for mounting the groin strap. It would have to be mounted roughly in the middle of the seat to perform its function. Otherwise instead of preventing submarining (sliding out of the harness) it would damage your pelvis, as your body would gain momentum before impacting upon it.
Another problem comes with the soulder straps - they appear to be straight, which is generally a bad plan, as it may allow them to slide off the shoulders. Shoulder straps in cars require a special seat with proper guiding openings (and the straps themselves cross behind the seat, so your left strap is mounted behind you on your right), and the shoulder straps on planes usually are just a single strap, looped around near the neck to prevent this (they tend to cling to the neck)

I admit the HANS/Hybrid device might be unnecessary if the expected acceleration/deceleration values will be reasonably small. Still, from what I see, the setup would be inefficient even at keeping the occupant secured in the seat regardless of species.


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but more likely a surprise action by Umiak or someone else to capture and board the shuttle.


i doubt they will be ambushed any time soon. I mean it a 5 minute ride between 2 shuttle. considering the acceleration of the shuttle (20G) and the deceleration. The undocking and docking procedure. The two ship must be within point defence range. Unless there some kind of invisibility/Cloaking Technology that exist. chance of them being attacked is low to non existant.


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5 hours and 20 minutes actually (which is what 19200 Solon should translate to).

In order for a boarding action and/or unfortunate accident to happen in space one will either need cloaking or the full cooperation of the entire fleet.

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