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The handshake was also a sign of equalness.
You did not shake hands with persons of a status below yours, neither did you get to shake hands with those of higher levels (you bowed to them).

But other Earth cultures have also weird cultures of greeting: the nose kiss of Inuit; the Hongi of the Māori,...

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Just think if Humanity had adopted cheek kissing as a cultural greeting standard!

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What I think happened so far:

Beryl having been raised either by Tempo or Fireblade ... and rushes to the cockpit to find Talon and Alex shaking hands while Talon gloating how she made a close friend of the alien and how she learned something Beryl didn't know about him.


Aha, so this is primarily a conspiracy of Tempos. A Sun and Wind stratagem perhaps.


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Some people think it is a tradition that come from ancient times when people would check to make sure the other wasn't armed, but there is some evidence that it is also used to transfer personally identifying smells.


I think its not checking that others are armed so much as you are putting the hand that would normally be used to wield forward in a gesture of "I come in peace". Also, while anthropologically the smell thing might have been first, it probably stopped being a thing before the first civilizations started cropping up. Which would mean that from a modern standpoint, the "I come in peace" meaning is probably more correct. Assuming of course that that explanation has any modicum of truth to it.

Oh hey also, I have heard a different reason for its existence. Back in the day, when tribes would make a deal they would make a blood covenant by mingling their blood. Often this was done by cutting some part of the hand/wrist area and clasping forearms together. And I think it went that when these people would meet again they might clasp arms together in greeting.


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hi hi

When it comes to human greetings, an open hand is a common theme throughout. Whether it is waving, shaking hands, saluting, high fiving, it is important to show the hand not clenched in anger.


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but it would be pretty funny if Tempo was actually thinking, "Wow, this human sure is weird and smelly, and he can't even hear anything I'm thinking!"


Shouldn't Tempo actually be extremely interested in Alex? After all, she can't hear anything that he is thinking. And afaik, she is used to know exactly what other people/species/whatever think.


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She is a Mizol and Mizols undoubtedly know how to hide a lot of the mental stuff and were trained not to rely on telepathy as much as the rest of their kind since their diplomatic duties bring them in contact with aliens who are harder to 'read' telepathically than Loroi (Also wars on Perrein were bound to be Mizols vs Mizols so they had to adapt by not relying on telepathy for certain functions).

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icekatze wrote:
but it would be pretty funny if Tempo was actually thinking, "Wow, this human sure is weird and smelly, and he can't even hear anything I'm thinking!"


Shouldn't Tempo actually be extremely interested in Alex? After all, she can't hear anything that he is thinking. And afaik, she is used to know exactly what other people/species/whatever think.



Oh, she is. So much that in fact she changed her travel plans just to watch him like a hawk...
... but even a war lady needs her beauty sleep first. :lol:


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Just think if Humanity had adopted cheek kissing as a cultural greeting standard!

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Geographically, twothirds of my country and populationwise more then half he people are involved.
That includes quite a number of males. :shock:

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hi hi

When it comes to human greetings, an open hand is a common theme throughout. Whether it is waving, shaking hands, saluting, high fiving, it is important to show the hand not clenched in anger.


there are exceptions.....

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hi hi

In one of those mistakes where one doesn't even catch it after making it, I failed to catch my earlier typo. I intended to type Talon, and for some reason typed Tempo instead. The mind is a strange apparatus, indeed.

Also, I suppose some people use the fist bump as a greeting, but I've never really seen it used that way. I only ever see it used as a means of congratulation or respect by people who have already met and established that they are friends. The fist bump does remind me of that thing that friends do where they mock insult each other, which ends up being effectively a sign of trust that someone can be unguarded around their peers.


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yup. I wouldn't fist bump a stranger :)

and any kind of greeting can be misinterpreted if different cultures are involved

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The fist bump does remind me of that thing that friends do where they mock insult each other, which ends up being effectively a sign of trust that someone can be unguarded around their peers.


I wonder how the Loroi would react to the mock insults. Even to outside human observers this practice can be seen as odd. Yet it is still exceedingly common. Like imagine if Beryl learns the language and Jardin had his best bro with him and they just started ripping into each other. How would that look to Beryl?


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Alex might not be a Captain Kirk, but now there are two Loroi starting out to be rather standoffish, but warming up to him rather quickly. First Beryl, and now Talon.

On a professional level, Beryl and Tempo would see Alexander Jardin as a porential asset. Be it for insights into an alien science and biology on Beryl's side or intelligence on Tempo's side. And on personal level... well, it does look like a bout of jealousy on Beryl's part. After all, Talon seemingly got an easy rapport to Alex only a minute after her meeting him where Beryl had to work herself into his graces for a longer time... And Talon beat her to him allowing himself to being touched by her before Beryl herself got that far. (After all, see pg. 101 - she got quite far into his personal space on the second to last panel, but on the last they were separated by an arm's length again.)

Loroi may be too disciplined to have things erupt in a full blown catfight. But judging from the panel that could be in 117 or 118 I do forsee some posturing in the future.


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Krulle wrote:
The handshake was also a sign of equalness.
You did not shake hands with persons of a status below yours, neither did you get to shake hands with those of higher levels (you bowed to them).

But other Earth cultures have also weird cultures of greeting: the nose kiss of Inuit; the Hongi of the Māori,...


Sure you can. When you do you do it as a way to show respect to that person despite the difference is status. Ever done this with your boss? Presidents and kings LOVE to shake hands wit lowly commoners in official photo shoots etc. To initiate an handshake to a higher status person is a way to demand respect. This is very useful when refusing the handshake would mean loosing face.


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Arioch wrote:
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I said it in Discord, I'll say it again here...

It looks like they're beholding the contents of the briefcase from Pulp Fiction - just, every previous grudge is forgotten, crack that briefcase open and have a look.


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They're opening the Ark of the Covenant.

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I wonder if it would be inappropriate to ask Beryl if she can think of any reason the Loroi might want to destroy "humaniti" in the foreseeable future, before Alex stars pointing at star systems.

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They're opening the Ark of the Covenant.


Alex really ought to know better than to look at it, then...


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I wonder if it would be inappropriate to ask Beryl if she can think of any reason the Loroi might want to destroy "humaniti" in the foreseeable future, before Alex stars pointing at star systems.


Well, as far we know humanity currently lacks the numbers, resources and technology to present any credible threat to the Loroi.
This said, the Umiak would be very interested in the human inherent, perfect Lotai. And that would be a very good reason for the telepathic space elves for, at the very least, turn Earth into a vassal world before the Shells do.


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Sweforce wrote:
Krulle wrote:
The handshake was also a sign of equalness.
You did not shake hands with persons of a status below yours, neither did you get to shake hands with those of higher levels (you bowed to them).


Sure you can. When you do you do it as a way to show respect to that person despite the difference is status. Ever done this with your boss? Presidents and kings LOVE to shake hands wit lowly commoners in official photo shoots etc. To initiate an handshake to a higher status person is a way to demand respect. This is very useful when refusing the handshake would mean loosing face.

I'm thinking far more back in time than the current semi-equalness of men.
Kings had the ring on their finger kissed.

Ahandshakes changed their meaning considerably since the big industrial revolution....

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Arioch wrote:
They're opening the Ark of the Covenant.


Or watching classic Star Trek. Talon's asking what the Loroi with jaundice is doing.


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On a professional level, Beryl and Tempo would see Alexander Jardin as a porential asset. Be it for insights into an alien science and biology on Beryl's side or intelligence on Tempo's side. And on personal level... well, it does look like a bout of jealousy on Beryl's part. After all, Talon seemingly got an easy rapport to Alex only a minute after her meeting him where Beryl had to work herself into his graces for a longer time...


There's an old quotation or concept that "many isolated agents, working in awkward conditions a long way from their superiors, realise that they have more in common with their immediate opponents than their remote allies".

Soldiers are all soldiers, and pilots are all pilots. Talon and Spiral aren't thinking of Alex as a strategic resource or a science project like Tempo and Beryl are. Alex is probably relieved to talk to an alien that isn't trying to bully him, interrogate him or just plain milk him for information for the last month.

To them, just talking about star charts, drinking caffeine and shooting the breeze sounds like a good time. Preferably away from those diplomatic types and the senior officers. And now you mention it, have you ever heard of a game called "cards"...?

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