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I was preparing a series... Each one a replay of a death occurring and depicted in the comic.
Now I have to abondon that idea....
What will I do with my magival spears?
Vote for Outsider on TWC: charred steppes, borders of territories: page 59,
jump-map of local stars: page 121, larger map in Loroi: page 118,
System view Leido Crossroads: page 123, after the battle page 195
I'll spare you the bad puns Arioch and simply ask if docking from the rear is a common design feature on loroi warships?
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. General C.H Melchett commander of some unknown british regiment in the western front.
Jericho wrote:I'll spare you the bad puns Arioch and simply ask if docking from the rear is a common design feature on loroi warships?
I think that it has been a widespread consensus that there are many benefits of having a rear facing shuttle bay, the most obvious of them being that the front of the warship is left clear for mission critical stuff, like weapons, extra armor, ECM equipment and etc.
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I dont expect there to be room to turn the skiff around inside the ship, so I assume they come in backwards. Wonder how many dents and dings they see training for that.
I would expect that at the Loroi's tech level, they have enough camera technology that backing in would be indistinguishable from boosting in forwards.
edit: before I forget, its also a bit dangerous. Modern pilots have become so dependent on their autopilots they do not respond correctly when they shut off or fail. Air France 447 comes to mind, but there are plenty of others.
Nemo wrote:Of course, but thats just no fun at all.
edit: before I forget, its also a bit dangerous. Modern pilots have become so dependent on their autopilots they do not respond correctly when they shut off or fail. Air France 447 comes to mind, but there are plenty of others.
That's a problem with the training regimes of commercial companies which for many are non existent. A pilot is supposed to be constantly training in order to keep themselves on edge and ready for all emergencies, then there is the fact that several types of landing and takeoffs cannot be done with an autopilot. Biggest example that I can think of are crosswind landings:
I don't think it is really a matter of pilots becoming dependent on autopilot systems. Commercial pilots often end up flying more than one type of airplane, after all. Part of the problem with autopilot systems is that it is difficult to recognize both when and why something is going wrong. In cases where autopilot systems have malfunctioned, the words "what is going on?" are very commonly heard on flight recorders. It takes some time for pilots to recognize that things are not going according to plan, and then identify where the source of the problem is.
If your airplane isn't gaining altitude like it should, it could be an automated system, it could be a mechanical fault with the engines, or the flaps, or any number of things.
The 3D mockup makes it look like the hangar is no larger than the opening, but that's not the case. It's cramped in the hangar, but there's room to turn the shuttle.
Realistically, the shuttle would probably launch tail-first, but that doesn't read well for a comic.
Nemo wrote:Modern pilots have become so dependent on their autopilots they do not respond correctly when they shut off or fail. Air France 447 comes to mind, but there are plenty of others.
For every Air France 447 there's a USAir 1549. European aviation regulations are much more lax in regards to training and readiness than their American counterparts.
Not to be snarky but if aft placement of the hangar is so logical why don't humanity do the same. I don't see how they could have a similar configuration on their warships.
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. General C.H Melchett commander of some unknown british regiment in the western front.
Not to be snarky but if aft placement of the hangar is so logical why don't humanity do the same. I don't see how they could have a similar configuration on their warships.
I think you've sort of answered your own question...
It's the logical place to put it given Loroi ship design standards with the engines on outriggers, but not logical within human design standards because of where they place their engines.
Notably the Loroi's actual carriers clearly lack space in the stern to operate their whole complement through a bay in that location and must have other launch bays (and their, admittedly tiny, silhouettes on the Insider would appear to show a large bay in the bow).
Not to be snarky but if aft placement of the hangar is so logical why don't humanity do the same. I don't see how they could have a similar configuration on their warships.
I think you've sort of answered your own question...
It's the logical place to put it given Loroi ship design standards with the engines on outriggers, but not logical within human design standards because of where they place their engines.
Notably the Loroi's actual carriers clearly lack space in the stern to operate their whole complement through a bay in that location and must have other launch bays (and their, admittedly tiny, silhouettes on the Insider would appear to show a large bay in the bow).
Yeah i suppose i partially answered my own question but my point is more along the lines of what is the optimal starship design in the outsider setting. Given that from what we see this is a loroi trademark of design and that sort of tells me that no other culture with a military does the same thing. If a certain design was so much better than the other than wouldn't it become cross-cultural farely quickly? Why are human and loroi ships designed for the same thing so different in their core shape. If it is because of technological differences i kind off wonder why the umiak design are more similar to the humans in regard of engine placement than to the loroi whom they technologiacally try to keep up with?
Essentially what it boils down to is why do the loroi prefer an engine configuration that favours and an aft hangar bay while no other culture that we can see does the same?
Edit actually looking through umiak ships in the insider it seems to be that the bigger ships (strike cruiser's) have a more loroi like engine configurations and the smaller ones (missile ship) have a more terran like configuration. And I also remember that the Umiak don't use small craft's but corvettes that are attached to the larger ship via tubes it seems.
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. General C.H Melchett commander of some unknown british regiment in the western front.
As far as I can tell, all of the major spacecraft in the setting thus far have used multiple engine configurations, and as far as I know the reason for this is to aid with turning maneuvers while at combat accelerations.
As far as I can tell, all of the major spacecraft in the setting thus far have used multiple engine configurations, and as far as I know the reason for this is to aid with turning maneuvers while at combat accelerations.
And I can't find any evidence of where the hangar bay is on the terran cruisers. (if there even is one.)
I noticed that about the Umiak ships later. But it seems very size dependant for them smaller ships have the engines in the center and larger have them split apart. To do this for maneuverability is a good point but than i have to ask why humans aren't doing the same? Even if their engines are a lot weaker the basic physics doesn't change and it seems like it would be something that all military ships should have in common. Hell pretty much all ships benefit from greater maneuverability i think.
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. General C.H Melchett commander of some unknown british regiment in the western front.