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Is it me, or are the colours rather washed put on page 113?

I go from looking at Jardin's uniform in the last panel of 112 and by comparison, it seems rather faded in 113. Perhaps a colour correction issue?

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It's accurate considering that the majority of the lighting in the cockpit appears to be blue, which will make anything orange appear very washed out.

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Hello there.

I have been following The Outsider before it had 40 pages and reading forums. Never posted before. Glad to see Arioch is still in the game and looking forward to future posts.

It’s nice how Arioch is subtly hinting at Talon and Spiral's actual age with their offhanded and slightly juvenile way of speaking.


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Luge wrote:
Is it me, or are the colours rather washed put on page 113?

I go from looking at Jardin's uniform in the last panel of 112 and by comparison, it seems rather faded in 113. Perhaps a colour correction issue?

Lighting changes from scene to scene, and the colors of the characters change accordingly.

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Luge wrote:
Is it me, or are the colours rather washed put on page 113?

I go from looking at Jardin's uniform in the last panel of 112 and by comparison, it seems rather faded in 113. Perhaps a colour correction issue?

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Yeah, I thought it at first too, but when I went from the previous scenes to 113 and back, I could see that it is consistent with the lighting.

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Holy shit Arioch is back! WHOO!


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Well, see you guys in 14 months for page 114.


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Until now, usually a few pages came in "quick" succession. Until the next scene change, when Arioch had to flesh out all the details....
So I'm hoping for a lot to happen in the confines of the cockpit and the shuttle main cabin....

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Lighting changes from scene to scene, and the colors of the characters change accordingly.

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That is singularly impressive attention to detail!

Hopefully signs that there are a lot more scenes in the works!

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Good I'm checking here directly.... I saw no tweet of a new page show up in my twitter feed....

Yay!

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also i think she didnt "sense" Alex so she may be thinking why did talon speak in trade? but answered anyway... He dialog really sound like Alex is not even on the ship


I don't know if this really checks out. The two of them were having a conversation with the door to the cockpit open, as far back as panel 5, page 112. Surely Spiral was able to hear Alex talking, even if she didn't sense him. Especially if she didn't sense someone else that Talon was talking to.

And the context of the conversation seems obvious that Alex was there. If it was just Talon talking to herself or to Spiral, it really doesn't make sense to say "You would have bet the same if you had seen it," when Talon was there and had seen it, and bet the other way.


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And the context of the conversation seems obvious that Alex was there. If it was just Talon talking to herself or to Spiral, it really doesn't make sense to say "You would have bet the same if you had seen it," when Talon was there and had seen it, and bet the other way.


I think you're spot-on here: To me the most likely explanation is that Spiral is fully aware that Alex and Talon are present, and that she is responding to Talon's statement in the previous panel. Spiral's reply appears to simulate the "Broken English" that a child or an entry level English speaker might use to express themselves. While broken English can be understood anyone who has a firmer grasp on the language will notice the odd word choices and the unusual grammar. (Whereas the speaker won't notice and just uses whatever words they can to express themselves). We know that most Loroi prefer using Sanzai over spoken language and while Beryl and Tempo are fluent trade speakers i assume Loroi's speech skills would be inferior in comparison.

If Spiral had been more fluent in the trade language i assume her reply would be something akin to "There were signs of asphyxiation and severe haemorrhage. Under such conditions he must have deemed his survival changes to be low. "

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Well, see you guys in 14 months for page 114.

Patreon already lists page 116, so i doubt the wait will be nearly as long as that.


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This is something that I wrote in the discord chat:

My take on Spiral's comment is that both she and Talon are partially or even subconsciously treating Alex as a Loroi male and are 'competing' with each other to get in his good side.

Talon sold Spiral out, intentionally or without even thinking, by saying that she bet on him dying. Spiral was caught unawares and jumped in to defend herself in a way that would be understood by Alex.

Now how is that bet making Spiral look bad? Imagine that a helicopter crew rescued a woman that was on the verge of death, they were certain that she would die and one of them bet that she would. Later that woman comes about and both pilots end up trying to hit on her. The one who didn't bet now has a big gun for shooting down the chances of the competition.

Funny thing is that this whole faux pax would probably make Spiral look better to a human man.

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Excellion wrote:
icekatze wrote:
And the context of the conversation seems obvious that Alex was there. If it was just Talon talking to herself or to Spiral, it really doesn't make sense to say "You would have bet the same if you had seen it," when Talon was there and had seen it, and bet the other way.


I think you're spot-on here: To me the most likely explanation is that Spiral is fully aware that Alex and Talon are present, and that she is responding to Talon's statement in the previous panel. Spiral's reply appears to simulate the "Broken English" that a child or an entry level English speaker might use to express themselves. While broken English can be understood anyone who has a firmer grasp on the language will notice the odd word choices and the unusual grammar. (Whereas the speaker won't notice and just uses whatever words they can to express themselves). We know that most Loroi prefer using Sanzai over spoken language and while Beryl and Tempo are fluent trade speakers i assume Loroi's speech skills would be inferior in comparison.

If Spiral had been more fluent in the trade language i assume her reply would be something akin to "There were signs of asphyxiation and severe haemorrhage. Under such conditions he must have deemed his survival changes to be low. "



Just a minor nitpick, but I think it's a bit more likely that Spiral's odd speech pattern is more accurately put down to a flawed translation convention on the part of Alex (and the audience), rather than her not really knowing Trade. Informal speech in a slightly different dialect can become difficult to parse or outright unintelligible.

Case in point:


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I'm not quite sure do Loroi literally bet on alex death or it was just an idiom?


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I know Arioch has said before that there are different dialects in the trade language, and that there are going to be some differences between the Loroi's own version of trade and the one the Orgus were using. But Spiral's usage does seem rather off the cuff.

Maybe she's flustered and or rushing herself, maybe as a brash pilot she just doesn't care enough even though she's fully trained, maybe she just doesn't use trade enough to be fluent, maybe she has her own regional dialect that sounds different to an outsider. Either way, it's noticeable.

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From her expression I am betting on flustered and rushed at the same time. She was caught off guard.

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It's not uncommon for professionals working in an environment where there's a lot of deaths (soldiers, doctors, nurses) for people to become somewhat jaded to the concept. As a sort of defence mechanism, they develop a rather morbidly casual approach to the subject that outsiders don't easily appreciate and can often find offensive. Any Alex is the ultimate outsider right now ;)

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Luge wrote:
It's not uncommon for professionals working in an environment where there's a lot of deaths (soldiers, doctors, nurses) for people to become somewhat jaded to the concept. As a sort of defence mechanism, they develop a rather morbidly casual approach to the subject that outsiders don't easily appreciate and can often find offensive. Any Alex is the ultimate outsider right now ;)

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This. No offense, but I think you guys going too deep in interpretation of this scene.

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Considering Alex's use of dark humor concerning his own imminent death when he was singing Major Tom in the Trade Language, I can't imagine him feeling too offended over the bet.


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Us, analyzing things too deeply? There's no such thing. :lol:

Honestly though, this is the second time we've seen Loroi peers placing bets on something, the wager between Moonglow and Ashrain being the other notable example. Given the way the Loroi view luck as a zero sum game, I wouldn't be surprised if betting on things is commonplace among the warrior caste. If you bet a lot, your luck ought to regress toward the mean, and that might be a comforting thing for someone who doesn't want to be cursed with luck that is too good or too bad.


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SVlad wrote:
I'm not quite sure do Loroi literally bet on alex death or it was just an idiom?

They are speaking literally.

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SVlad wrote:
I'm not quite sure do Loroi literally bet on alex death or it was just an idiom?

They are speaking literally.


Heh. I'd be more surprised if they weren't. And Jardin as well, I assume. He's got a military background, so dark humor is pretty par for the course.


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I wonder what they used as a betting currency.


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I always just assumed they had a currency system of some sort, seeing as they do have a civilian populous and interact with several other species.


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They do. One talent is equal to one year's wages for an unskilled laborer. It's every bit as unwieldy as you expect.

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