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Aw... Shit...


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Not entirely unexpected, unfortunately, but still sad.

Still, this page raises the question in my mind of exactly how frequent a ship going critical (in the delayed post-damage fashion seen here, where minutes pass from "hit" to "boom") is in the Outsider-verse. Winter Tide being lost in combat I expected, but the manner of it's passing I did not see coming (in that it was a delayed reaction).


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Aw hell. I let myself get attached.


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DAME :cry:

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man the damage didn't look that bad and all from the first hit. I guess that means loroi ships aren't as durable as I first though. But still it doesn't seem fair the damage looked survivable.

now that the first attack was only a probe ( but it demonstrate clearly the Umiak mass formation and throw away culture). make me wonder if Still storm is going to pull out of the sector

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CptWinters wrote:
Aw hell. I let myself get attached.

Sorry man. Had to be done.

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Spoilers? Seriously if you click on the Page thread without reading first you deserve what you get.

@Wintermute

The amount of energy contained in an average ship is enormous, I would expect that death by breached reactor/magazine is a common occurrence only made uncommon by the time it took for the Winter Tide

@NOMAD

She'd better, though we haven't seen the Wave-Loom yet so I'm betting we aren't leaving yet.


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what can be said just what can be said, I get the feeling Beryl is gonna take it kinda hard. Great comic as always Arioch.

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She'd better, though we haven't seen the Wave-Loom yet so I'm betting we aren't leaving yet.


I'm not sure, lost the ability to far-see, alraed survived two major attacks, lost two other strike fleets, unknown how many enemy's are left. might be reaching critical energy levels ( IE in order to fight).

@ Arioch

nice tweaks to the main homepage, much more easily to get into the comic :)

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Sorry man. Had to be done.
At least she went down with her boots on; can't ask for much more than that.


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Ugh... I just got it.



That starboard fusion chamber, man... That starboard fusion chamber. Never the port fusion chamber, always the starboard.


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Curse you, starboard fusion chamber!

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:{ Farewell to Arms - Valiant crew of the Winter Tide.

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Who guides the stars with steadfast law,
Whose least creation fills with awe;

Oh, grant Thy mercy and Thy grace
To those who venture into space!"

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Looks like the Torrai Torret of Torrent just lost at the very least a good friend. She kept an eye on Winter Tide throughout the battle.
Was the commanding officer of Sirocco the most senior in Van Squadron after Winter Tide foundered?

The first panel with those retreating Umiak is hilarious in a way. The Loroi seem to try hitting the heavy vessel in the center of the formation, but only the flankers get creamed. :)

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Well balls.

At this rate Alex is never going to get the chance to see the Loroi's giant laser beam's beutiful hue. Or teach Beryl english for that matter.


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hi hi

What a page... I don't know how to explain it, but I think the Umiak ships look even cooler from behind.

The expression on that pilot's face made me want to give her a great big hug. (I don't know if she has a name, but if not, I'm calling her dellar.) Her captain refused to give up, but judging from their expressions I think they must have both known that it was a long shot.

I'm pretty sure that isn't the explosion from a fusion reactor. Fusion reactors wouldn't go critical in the same way that a fission reactor might. I'm guessing it was a runaway reaction in whatever kind of exotic fuel the Loroi use which is kind of like anti-matter but more stable. (though clearly not completely stable) I'm pretty sure the Loroi use a more advanced power source than the Terrans do.

Maybe it is her youthful short hair, her sharper features, or her expressive brow, but I get the feeling that Arclight is perhaps less jaded than her peers Ashrain and Moonglow. I admit that I'm extra nervous now that Arclight is on the front line. :cry:


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Man, I've been throughly beaten to the breach in starboard fusion chamber stuff. (For the uninitiated, in the game Homeworld 2 "breach in starboard fusion chamber" is a line that plays when a capital ship reaches critically low health. If you've played the game much, you probably heard that line way too many times.)


I would like to say, since I haven't mentioned it before, that I'm throughly impressed by the Umiak ship design in general. They're all very striking.

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icekatze wrote:
I'm pretty sure that isn't the explosion from a fusion reactor. Fusion reactors wouldn't go critical in the same way that a fission reactor might. I'm guessing it was a runaway reaction in whatever kind of exotic fuel the Loroi use which is kind of like anti-matter but more stable. (though clearly not completely stable)
I agree. The explosion from Winter Tide is very similar to the detonation of the Loroi torpedoes, and since Loroi torpedoes use antimatter as their fuel/explosive...


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"Breach in the starboard fusion chamber" is a Homeworld reference; it's one of the ship chatter audio options that plays right before a ship blows up.

I actually wasn't thinking of that at the time, but it's true that it's always the starboard side that's mentioned. The word "port" can't compare with a sexy word like "starboard."

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"...if we can get the starboard reactor under control, we may be able to..."
Cannot help, this sounds awkward familiar...

Farewell, Nova. *sigh*

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icekatze wrote:
I admit that I'm extra nervous now that Arclight is on the front line.


Yeah.

Her hair style is way too cool for me to not get attached. Hopefully this won't be a mistake on my part. Oh dear. :?


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Does anyone else think it was dumb to put the Escort Cruiser out front in Van Squadron in the first place? According to Arioch's Insider article, CLE type ships don't carry any pulse beam cannons, so they can't defend themselves against heavier opponents. IMO, the Winter Tide should have been held back to cover the Center squadron.


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Winter Tide, together with the rest of the Van Squadron, had picket duty before being recalled to line up in front of the other squadrons. The nimbler ships of this squadron might have been better to intercept the first wave of assault (the Umiak torpedo launch) over the heavier ships elsewhere in the Loroi formation. I suppose they were to withdraw once the torpedo deluge was taken care of.

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Arioch wrote:
"Breach in the starboard fusion chamber" is a Homeworld reference; it's one of the ship chatter audio options that plays right before a ship blows up.


ahh that would explain where i tought i heard that.

wonder if there were easter egg in that chatter.


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Does anyone else think it was dumb to put the Escort Cruiser out front in Van Squadron in the first place? According to Arioch's Insider article, CLE type ships don't carry any pulse beam cannons, so they can't defend themselves against heavier opponents. IMO, the Winter Tide should have been held back to cover the Center squadron.


The Van squadron within Loroi fleets does seem to be used as pickets, the equivalent of skirmish screens during various eras of warfare on earth. Looking at its depictions on the maps Alex has been viewing it doesn't contain any heavy ships at all (and in fact Winter's Tide is not the only CLE in the squadron) mainly cruisers and destroyers.

There also appears to be at least one CLE with the Tempest in Centre squadron visible on the map shown in on page 83.

The CLE seem to be used as light cruisers as well as escorts.


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The Rapier-class CLE has short-ranged weaponry designed to defeat torpedoes and gunboats. In order to be effective, they need to be where the enemy torpedoes and gunboats are, and for the most part that means being up front with the destroyers. Larger ships with pulse cannon are generally placed in the back ranks so they can fire from range on the enemy while they are engaged with the van. This does mean that being in the front rank is hazardous duty, but that's the nature of the beast. The Umiak ships that damaged Winter Tide (and Thunderbolt) were under pulse cannon fire from the heavy cruisers and battlecruisers the whole time; it's not clear to me that being armed with pulse cannons would have protected Winter Tide.

The total strength of SG51 prior to the start of the engagement was: 1xGCS, 1xBC, 1xCW, 8xCA, 4xCLE, 13xDD. This was down almost a full squadron (about 7 vessels) from its strength upon entering the system prior to the first battle.

The breakdown of the squadrons was:
Van (Nova): 3xCLE (including Winter Tide and Sirocco), 4xDD (including Thunderstorm)
Center (Arclight): 1xGCS (Tempest), 2xCA (including Torrent), 1xCLE, 3xDD, 19xLight Interceptors (pooled from the whole group)
Left (Moonglow): 1xBC (Tsunami), 3xCA, 3xDD
Right (Ashrain): 1xCW (Black Razor), 3xCA, 3xDD

Prior to the first battle, there was an additional CA leading Van, an additional CW and CLE in Center, and one additional DD in each squadron. Not all of these ships were destroyed; some were damaged and withdrew.

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Do the Loroi consider certain positions to be an "honor?" For instance, being a member of the first rank of medieval knights in a charge, or the first centurion in a Roman legion connoted a greater honor and conveyed the skill and experience of those who were in such positions. Do the Loroi have similar sentiments about the physical positioning of their units? Is being placed in command of the center (or the left, or the right, etc.) a reflection of skill or experience, or is it simply based on the vagaries of war, and the decision of the commander?


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