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fredgiblet wrote:I seriously doubt that the Loroi stood and fought the battle at the end of Chapter 1. More likely they turned and ran.

either that or both sides were weaken enought to pull out of the fight but not out of the system.

IIRC the loroi lost two other strike groups, before the 51st came to the area and are only staying because of alex and the Bell transmission and destruction.

now i might be wrong about this

NOMAD wrote:either that or both sides were weaken enought to pull out of the fight but not out of the system.

IIRC the loroi lost two other strike groups, before the 51st came to the area and are only staying because of alex and the Bell transmission and destruction.

now i might be wrong about this

They were only staying put because of the wreckage, which they just blasted away with a torpedo. They have no reason to stand and fight, and lots of reasons to get away with what they have.

Durabys wrote:Interesting enough the moment the Tempest is about to break loose on the reinforced Umiak fleet with its forward and close range batteries ... Jardin is forcefully taken away from the room (long after he said "what colour the beam that destroyed his ship had"). With Beryl being somewhat distressed looking. I am still of the opinion that Alex was taken away to prevent him from reckognising the weapon when it would fire on the Umiak and linking it to the Loroi.

Given that the Tempest is the flagship of the fleet I doubt it would have been lurking that far from the battle, alone and unescorted.

Also based on descriptions of the Wave Bloom (which Arioch may admittedly have changed) it is basically like the various super-powered spinal weapons seen in various animes (Wave Motion Cannon, etc) and I doubt that it would have required three shots to take out the Bel .


Nick

captainsmirk wrote:

Durabys wrote:Interesting enough the moment the Tempest is about to break loose on the reinforced Umiak fleet with its forward and close range batteries ... Jardin is forcefully taken away from the room (long after he said "what colour the beam that destroyed his ship had"). With Beryl being somewhat distressed looking. I am still of the opinion that Alex was taken away to prevent him from reckognising the weapon when it would fire on the Umiak and linking it to the Loroi.

Given that the Tempest is the flagship of the fleet I doubt it would have been lurking that far from the battle, alone and unescorted.

Also based on descriptions of the Wave Bloom (which Arioch may admittedly have changed) it is basically like the various super-powered spinal weapons seen in various animes (Wave Motion Cannon, etc) and I doubt that it would have required three shots to take out the Bel .


Nick

partially incorrect: "... to cut it in half with one shot." Would be more correct.

The only vessel in the system with a Wave-Loom device is Tempest, and she is far too large to be the 300m vessel that killed Bellarmine.

Also, in the bizarre scenario that that isn't enough evidence for you, descriptions of the Wave-Loom that I've seen (which aren't much, to be honest) described it as some type of hyper-long-range area of effect weapon... something that requires eating up ALL the energy reserves on the ship when fired, leaving the ship immobile temporarily. This makes it both inconsistent with the number of shots fired in a short time, as well as the face that there was anything left of Bellarmine after the first shot... an "area of effect beam weapon" would probably have shredded it, and we'd be short a protagonist. What we know of the pulse and plasma cannon weaponry so far paints it as MORE than enough to carve a Terran ship in half (the Umiak and Loroi were doing it to each other during the big battle).

starstriker1 wrote:The only vessel in the system with a Wave-Loom device is Tempest, and she is far too large to be the 300m vessel that killed Bellarmine.

Also, in the bizarre scenario that that isn't enough evidence for you, descriptions of the Wave-Loom that I've seen (which aren't much, to be honest) described it as some type of hyper-long-range area of effect weapon... something that requires eating up ALL the energy reserves on the ship when fired, leaving the ship immobile temporarily. This makes it both inconsistent with the number of shots fired in a short time, as well as the face that there was anything left of Bellarmine after the first shot... an "area of effect beam weapon" would probably have shredded it, and we'd be short a protagonist. What we know of the pulse and plasma cannon weaponry so far paints it as MORE than enough to carve a Terran ship in half (the Umiak and Loroi were doing it to each other during the big battle).

Ok. I concede the point.

"Ancient Conspiracy" time it is then:

Then perhaps the Historians? They and the Basram had each a ship present during the previous battle, no?

I'm sticking with Soia, not because there's any particular evidence, just because no one else is picking them and it could lead interesting places if I'm right.

fredgiblet wrote:I'm sticking with Soia, not because there's any particular evidence, just because no one else is picking them and it could lead interesting places if I'm right.

Soia still around? After hundreds of thousands of years and no one seeing them?

There's a Neridi joke that the Soia were actually the grain misesa.

They're tired of being eaten.

wait does anyone hear that,

I thick the fields of misesa are approaching my lord ( points to anyone who gets where this line was inspire from )

Trantor wrote:

fredgiblet wrote:I'm sticking with Soia, not because there's any particular evidence, just because no one else is picking them and it could lead interesting places if I'm right.

Soia still around? After hundreds of thousands of years and no one seeing them?

One of the things to remember is that Soia space was larger than Loroi/Umiak space is now. There's plenty of room available for the Soia to still be hanging around in some small way. Also, no one knows what happened to the Soia either. There's too much we DON'T know to discount them. Of course there's pretty much nothing at the moment to SUGGEST them, but there's not a whole lot to suggest anyone else either.

Trantor wrote:

fredgiblet wrote:I'm sticking with Soia, not because there's any particular evidence, just because no one else is picking them and it could lead interesting places if I'm right.

Soia still around? After hundreds of thousands of years and no one seeing them?

Nobody was doing much spaceflight in that time. The Loroi only contacted other splinter worlds about a thousand years before current events. The Historians didn't suffer as much from the events of the collapse, but who knows what they've been doing and what they know. (For all we know, they are the original Soia.)

The Soia could easily still be hanging around somewhere. Or there could be other Loroi splinter worlds undetected by Loroi Union farseers...potentially more advanced, if they broke out of the long period of stagnation and restarted technological civilization earlier. Or unknown Barsam splinter worlds, with an interest in what their cousins in the Alliance are doing..

hi hi

If it was the Soia, they sure have changed a lot in the last eon. Skulking around in protoplanetary disks doesn't exactly fit their MO from ancient times, where the went wherever they wanted, whenever they wanted, in enormous mobile stellar fortresses.

i still think its an anonymous third party with an axe to grind or gets something out of the war

my guess would be the Pol, my guess that they are the secret masters of the Historians rather than a client race. of course this is speculation on my part.

Mjolnir wrote:(For all we know, they are the original Soia.)

Or a race left behind to monitor the occurrences after the "disappearance" of the Soia.

fredgiblet wrote:

Mjolnir wrote:(For all we know, they are the original Soia.)

Or a race left behind to monitor the occurrences after the "disappearance" of the Soia.

Most. Boring. Job. Ever.


At least for the first 250 millenia.

manticore7 wrote:my guess would be the Pol, my guess that they are the secret masters of the Historians rather than a client race. of course this is speculation on my part.

Yes and the Pol are actually the Soia that got annoyed how they tried to create an "Infinite Empire" and in the end it crumbled like the ones before it. So they entered a 250k+ years long period of isolation out of despair - and as to prevent anyone from reckognising them *especialy a certain specie they bio-engineered previously* and subsequently bothering and annoying them - they created a specie of sentient machine-custodians, so to be immune against the exotic mental abilities of that certain bio-engineered specie of theirs, that will act as their maskirovka masqurade faces, their eyes and ears and as bodyguards and caretakers of daily tasks.

As a coup de grace this Machine race was instructed to make sure any alien race sees them just as another organic race that doesn't like to communicate with other alien races in person *making themself look like paranoid pricks or a little bit xenophobic in the process is just a bonus* and sends the so-called Avatars instead *which are in fact the actual Machines themself downloaded into a smaller "platform", but nobody needs to know that now, do they? * to communicate with others.

These Machines were also instructed by the surviving Soia to "act" *in the truly theatric sense of the word, to deceive everybody else what is going on* as being over-protective guardians/protectors of them and not servants and also tell everyone that asks that the Pol *the ancient biological name for the Soia,<e.g. Humans/Terrans = Homo Spaiens>* " ... are just a technologically backwards, very pacifist people we took a liking to and didn't wanted to see them destroyed by some other race with a fetish for orbital bombardment ... " so they maked them their client race.

The Machine races name ... Historians the Caretakers.

NOTE: It would explain why Arioch has the Pol as a "page-saver" after each last page he has written yet. A small hint perhaps?

It was almost certainly the Historians. Take a look at the third panel on Ch. 1 Page 60. Seems pretty clear that it was Historian weapon. Whether it was them or somebody they sold the tech to (that they probably shouldn't have), we'll have to wait and see.

wulfhere wrote:Seems pretty clear that it was Historian weapon. Whether it was them or somebody they sold the tech to

or maybe it the other way around. Maybe it somebody they BUYED their weapon FROM. Maybe historian weapon aren't historian in origin after all.