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wulfhere wrote:Seems pretty clear that it was Historian weapon.

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I'm not seeing what you are seeing.

wulfhere wrote:It was almost certainly the Historians. Take a look at the third panel on Ch. 1 Page 60. Seems pretty clear that it was Historian weapon. Whether it was them or somebody they sold the tech to (that they probably shouldn't have), we'll have to wait and see.

The closest thing to a known Historian weapon that we've seen is the Loroi weapons built using Historian assistance. But aside from the fact that we don't have a known Historian weapon to compare against, what specific identifying characteristics can you see in that panel? All I can see is that it was a beam weapon of some kind, and too powerful to be a human one.

Surely given Outsider's MoO inspiration the Antarians are the obvious suspects, or at least the Outsider version of the Antarians. So I suppose the real question is, who is the Outsider version of the Antarians?

did'nt know we had any

Well the soia?


Based on the claim the loroi do. that is, they are soia descendant. they probably look like: this

It all make sense. The Soia were banished but a small group of scientist were working on a remote world (earth) trying to recreate life. They started slowly, creating fish and simple life then moved up until they made the human. At that point they were so proud of them self they said: Hey why not create a species more like us?

So they added the PK ability to a new species but since this group of scientist were mostly male, and didn't had any in a while, they started to look at the human girl. They then though: why not improve the specie we are working on to better "serve" us? So they created a hybrid between beautiful human female and a soia.

(i dont know how this end)

Mjolnir wrote:

wulfhere wrote:It was almost certainly the Historians. Take a look at the third panel on Ch. 1 Page 60. Seems pretty clear that it was Historian weapon. Whether it was them or somebody they sold the tech to (that they probably shouldn't have), we'll have to wait and see.

The closest thing to a known Historian weapon that we've seen is the Loroi weapons built using Historian assistance. But aside from the fact that we don't have a known Historian weapon to compare against, what specific identifying characteristics can you see in that panel? All I can see is that it was a beam weapon of some kind, and too powerful to be a human one.

Sorry, I actually didn't see the demarcation between panels 2 and 3, I meant panel 4, where Tempo is clearly looking at the Historian with suspicion, once she hears the color of the beam. The Historian even feels the need to respond, even though he hasn't been accused of anything.

It's really stretching it claiming that that's proof that it was Historians.

hmmm, there's no obvious evidence that it was Historian weapons used on the Bellarmine aside from a sideways look, In my opinion it looks more like Tempo is asking the Historian a question, rather than accusing it. Loroi ships use plasma based weapons (the specific name of the weapon appears to be plasma focus) too so it still could have been a Loroi ship or an Umiak ship for that matter since they use those weapons too, in fact we know that the plasma focus is their preferred type of weapon.

Also, the Historian isn't so much commenting out of a need to defend its self, more stating an obvious facts "it was very bight white, with maybe a greenish tint" really isn't very much info and as we already know, both the Loroi and Umiak use a plasma focus weapon, what we don't know is what Historian weapons look like or even if they do use plasma based weapons at all.

Or at least i don't, im not very read up on the weapon tech used by Historians, is there some one here who does know more on Historian weapons who can vet what iv said?

The Pulse Cannon is a plasma weapon that the Loroi use, it is derived from the Plasma Focus Array which is the primary weapon of Historian ships.

fredgiblet wrote:The Pulse Cannon is a plasma weapon that the Loroi use, it is derived from the Plasma Focus Array which is the primary weapon of Historian ships.

Could you point out where it is stated that this Focus Array is the Historian primary weapon? For all we know their prefered "weapon" could be their constructs hacking in the comm net of an approaching hostile fleet and activating the self-destruct.

But Arioch has stated that this weapons table was experimental in the first place and secondly is too old to be considered accurate...

Grayhome wrote:But Arioch has stated that this weapons table was experimental in the first place and secondly is too old to be considered accurate...

old or experimental its the only evidence to support his argument but i think it might be valid since, to best known knowledge there seems too be no other table or information like this and is not actually dis-credited by its creator, more likely an early draft which is why, before this argument/discussion goes further i have 2 questions:

1) where did the table come from and

2) can Arioch comment on its credibility/usefulness/up/outdatedness? Since you know your own work better than the rest of us

I posted the table here some years ago. The numbers in the table are outdated, but the listed weapons are still correct.

The Historians use an advanced type of plasma focus that can fire in different offensive or defensive modes. The Historians gave the plans for a simplified version of this weapon to the Loroi, from which the Loroi eventually derived the pulse cannon.

Arioch wrote:I posted the table here some years ago. The numbers in the table are outdated, but the listed weapons are still correct.

The Historians use an advanced type of plasma focus that can fire in different offensive or defensive modes. The Historians gave the plans for a simplified version of this weapon to the Loroi, from which the Loroi eventually derived the pulse cannon.

... and who wants to bet $50 that it was the Historians too who, under the table, gave the Plasma Focus tech to the Umiaks during the 25+ year period between Loroi-Umiak First Contact and the outbreak of the war.

Thanks, Fredgiblet&Arioch, for the clarification.

CRACKPOT THEORY!

it's crazy, but all we know about the historians is they like their privacy.

Who's to say they don't protect a race they know as the 'caretakers' who protect and hide the secrets of a number of 'species of interest' from the past...

One of whom is humanity.
When the 'caretakers' discovered the human ship near the belligerent Loroi borders, and the fight, and had to act to help maintain their secrets, and hopefully preserve the human race.


Apparently they didn't count on Alex surviving however, which could indicate they are far from perfect :p

What if the vessel that fire on Bellarmine was simply a reaction?. One moment it was scouting/observing the battle the next "omg" a ship suddenly appear in front off them. The scanners they may be using, uses pure psychick and combine them with the apparent null mind of the terrens, the result is a disaster at close range.

The terran ship was idling around for a pretty long time. So that's a no.

junk wrote:The terran ship was idling around for a pretty long time. So that's a no.

Theory:
The Bellarmine was fired upon only when it begun to transmit a message. What if the Loroi Farseers thought of it as an unknown automated robotic drone/scout - to be investigated AFTER the battle was over.

Of course Hamilton couldn't for the sake of his life hold his mouth shut at least for the duration of combat - and then choosing the victorious party - and had to transmit a message STILL when the battle was still fought out between the Elfes and the Bugs.

The Farseers went probably nuts and prioritised that ship for disabling ... only not counting-in that their main advantage of targetting - which is telepathic targeting - won't work this time and mis-fired into the midsection of the Bellarmine. Also probably overestimating the durability, armor and tech level of the ship in question, probably due to thinking that if somebody can block telepathy then that party must be seriuosly technologically advanced ... which caused the Bellarmine to explode.

*this theory does not take into account that Tempo was looking very suspiciously towards the Historian Emissary when she heard from Alex about the "green-ish colour" of the beam weapon that destroyed the Bellarmine. Which brings up the following idea:*

Idea:
Also of note is the wording of the sentence of the Umiak commander "[Enemy Forces]" in conjuction with him asking about the destruction of the Bellarmine by "[Enemy Forces]". The Umiak didn't specify if it was a Loroi Union ship or one of the allied powers ambassadors ships - the Basram and the Historian. Which is very suspicious.