Looks like MILF-Con today.

No wonder there are no women on here

´cause they can´t stand competition with the space-elves?

slaps to back of the head ( repeatedly see below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqMUuOPsa0o

on further note, I like this version of the Vanguards Captain , shows the loroi can also be very simple in their hair styles. ( and she does look inspired by Claudia Black . . . Arioch were you a farscape fan ?

What? Competition over what, exactly? Is this forum offering some fabulous cash reward for pointiest ears?

But humans have the benefit of having Crichton and his HUMANS ARE SUPERIOR on their side

No, that was just meant as a sarcastic, neanderthalian jibe of mine on the cognitive dissonance of most girls.

E.g.:
They see themself like this:


but reality bites...



And the tragic is, that on the other side many of the really cute girls have too low self-esteem cause they think they´re not cute enough.

...
That, and that SF and black humor aren´t normally girl-thingys.

You'd be surprised. Maybe not black humour but SF the moment it went away from the old space opera venues is very much filled with female fans.

My understanding of the female fandom, is the common female fangirl will flock to whatever comic they can appeal to the emotions and feelings shown within, thus they tend to like badly written books which take three pages to explain how good holding hands feel, and tend to dislike or ignore other books which explain the world around them in an amusing manner.

Honestly? There are female readers out there, but we haven't really done anything to attract them into participating into our high logic rants where we discuss impossible physics problems while attempting to prove human rail-guns are bad-ass vrs useless, how jump drives are both realistic and impossible, or discussing random aspects of new and upcoming theories regarding matter, the universe and everything (which i'm expecting someone will try to incorporate life into quantum physics, leading us to the grand answer of 42, and no actual explanation for how the equation works or even what it actually is trying to demonstrate).

To get fangirls, we need more emotion and an ability to get into the head of Beryl among others, or at least a strong basis in what is going on behind the eyes of the Loroi, something our comic is rather poorly placed to do .
Honestly? Just keep the comic writing as is so as to keep the project going and the universe developing, and when someone asks let them do a spinoff about how Loroi society and their members think from the Loroi perspective, that will attract fangirls in droves .

Besides, do we WANT fanatical fangirls, or simply girls who like comics as they are, as opposed to girls who'd prefer to write shipping where all the Loroi males run off to have forbidden affairs with the other males?

Twilight anyone?



Seriously: Sir, you obviously speak my language. I tap my hat.

It´s also similar to the cause why there are so few female hobbymechanics:
Women simply cannot hear the tools´ voices.



<Al Bundy>
NO!
</Al Bundy>



*bhuuorgh*

We'll get plenty of fangirls once A Welcome Rain appears. They need SOMEONE to pair Alex up with after all.

well if you consider she gave birth to an overpowerbeingthatthinksheagodandshouldkillanyonewhodontconverttoher. Then yes she a milf

And Mills and Boon for the parents...
Ironically enough my mother reads them because they are so dry and boring they put her to sleep...

And it's reading comments from people who i understand how they think that keeps drawing me to post on this forum... that or people who need some real information because they don't understand the basics of what they are trying to claim.

And regarding Women and hobbies? It isn't actually that they don't like it, nor hear the tools voices, far from it!
Instead they worry too much about public appearance and suppress or deny all interest in such topics lest they be considered unwomanly.
Just like a man who shows no real interest in football is somehow unmanly, despite the fact he's building a scale model of a tank in his garage.


You do understand why the girls seek male/male relationships in their imagination don't you? They don't feel they are good enough to be their hero's partner, and can't stand even imagining the competition of some hot girl they randomly set their hero up with...
So they go for plan B, add another hot male who couldn't compete with their feminine charms, and off they go.

Also: this is the point where I normally grab a bucket and stick it over my head to shield myself from the horrible content... Steel is preferable, as it is totally opaque.
And of course, as an added bonus: if you do happen to somehow pick up the storyline at this point, the bucket is excellent at a second purpose: avoiding making a mess :p

In contrast, most men don't care what people think... to use the horrible slang used by most people in my region 'any holes a goal'

My statement above was just a poorly translated pun popular among mechanics like me in germany:



Well observed.


It´s not that bad. If you have another cool hobby, like racing or skydiving no one mocks you for being a chump in terms of football/soccer.



You got me. I don´t understand girls at all.


2x


...please tell me this is just a pun.

This isn't really so much as a man / woman thing as it is a social construct thing. Men and Women have been socialised to be like this and it tends to be heavily reinforced by the media.

Also, funnily enough, when female news anchors started to get common, the people tended to comment on their looks and appearance were men for the most part



...

No. You're dead wrong here. I'm involved with several fandoms that have an extremely high frequency of female fans and not one of the ones I've met at conventions has this attitude. They envision male homosexual relationships for the exact same reasons that most males envision female homosexual relationships. Because it's hot. Or because they'd be cute together.

Case in point. This is hot:



Because this too, is hot:







I imagine that some women would feel the same after all

Hehe. That´s what they pretend.

Fortiadis_110 isn´t wrong on that point. Otherwise there would be no "cattiness" or "bitchiness".
In German there´s a dedicated word for it, "Stutenbissigkeit", which derives from the pecking order of mares and imho fits perfect on those behaviour-patterns (it is of course a bit derogative).

Oh? And you would know what women are thinking?

But let's take the statement as a given. Since men and women are hardly all that different (despite the popular stereotypes) I suppose this can apply in reverse then?



Oh look. It doesn't.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to why this logic only applies to the female gender. Why is girl on girl considered hot by guys and can be taken at face value, but when it comes to guy on guy with regards to women, it's not a matter of it being hot but rather an issue of women projecting their insecurities and blanketing them over with a veneer of homosexuality?



This is why there are no female members on this board. He's wrong on this point because his point is 100% sexist with no basis in reality. I've talked to women. In person. Some of them were even the ever so dreaded Yaoi fangirls. The way they talk about male homosexual relationships are practically carbon copies of the way guys talk about female homosexual relationships. There is some variance due to socialisation pressures, but overall, the same basic motivations are there.

I don´t even want to.


But we are.


As long as it is just about kissing you could even claim that it is the same issue with men and women - men also couldn´t stand a random guy kissing with the heroine.
But: Men are simple. While men are seeking for fun wthout thinking too deep, women are seeking for romance.
That´s why men have no problems with female homosexuality, men just peep and enjoy, even more if it comes to the next steps; 2 Girls kissing is cute, 2 Girls doing more is hot.
But women don´t think the same way. They´re not even considering the next "steps", they think into a romantic direction.


Where´s the evidence for that insult?
No girls here because of Fortiadis_110´s opinion? AAAND he´s totally wrong? How easy, how convenient.
And on a broader scale: Why is there bitchiness/Stutenbissigkeit then?

I dare to say your "bonmot" is nothing more than a thought-terminating cliché.



No shit, Sherlock!



Yes, talk. But they think different.
Just watch their behaviour patterns.

Not sure where people are digging that guy on guy is found buy a lot of women as unhot.

But it does certainly have a lot more social stigma than girl on girl. I'd say that that's probably because of two things. In a lot of cases girl on girl is just playing around and everyone knows it. Whereas guy on guy tends to usually be more indicative. Also when it came to digging for gays women where largely ignored. It was mostly male gays that were being targeted.

Also why would there be no females on this board? There isn't any gender screening gate anywhere so for all we know half of the board is actually female and not coming forward.

It does to an extent.

For a heterosexual man why might girl/girl be hotter than girl/guy?

• Girl/girl has 2 people to be attracted too not just 1.
• From a casual sex point of view the current partner does not necessarily restrict to choice of future partners
• There is no other male to subconsciously compare to/be threatened by

Are all valid contributory (but not exhaustive) reasons that might apply for a given individual.

Also psychology tells us that people don't necessarily understand the real reasons why they like the things they do and subconsciously create false justifications for it when asked (externally or internally) which they then subsequently believe.

You don't want to know. So why presume they pretend?



How so?



This strikes me more as a massive assumption, to say nothing of it being a huge sweeping statement.

It also strikes me that it's sexist on both sides of the divide. Men are simple creatures that cannot grasp complex concepts. They watch and breathe heavily while imagining women doing it. Going further and assigning romance to female homosexual relationships would be "Unmanly". It further implies that women are either incapable or unwilling to take the same stance and breathe heavily as they imagine two guys having sex.

I don't doubt that there are women who dig male homosexual relationships because they're taking things in a romantic direction... but it's folly to think that all women aren't imagining the next "steps" and aren't getting hot and bothered while doing so.



There is no insult in a statement of fact. I will however clarify the position I took.

The reason there are no girls here is because of the general attitude displayed exemplified in your post when you brought up cattiness and bitchiness. What precisely prompted you to bring that up? I can't fathom why you'd even mention it given what was being discussed.

The only connection I can make out is that women were being discussed, so you brought up the topic of them being catty and bitchy.

And he is wrong. I already pointed out why

As to the broader question: Yes, there is bitchiness amongst women, just as there is bitchiness amongst men. Ditto for dickwaving on both sides of the divide.



I know! In some underprivileged corners of the internet, there are nerds who have never seen a real woman, let alone been within earshot of one! The way they talk about women is as though they're some kind of separate species! They make massive and wild assumptions to compensate for a lack of knowledge!





Those screams in the audience when Barrowman and Tennant kiss. They're the same screams you'll hear when the male strippers perform at a hens night.

Of course, I find it odd that you know what women are thinking when you profess to not want to know in the first place. This strikes me as a rather dissonant statement. Either you know what women are thinking and are withholding the methodology by which you came across such knowledge, or you're being facetious and presumptuous.



Very true, it'll be a long while before male homosexual relationships have anywhere near the same level of acceptance as female homosexual relationships let alone the general acceptance of heterosexual relationships.



This place is very much a boys club. If we were to have an anonymous poll to determine the demographics of the forum, assuming we get honest votes, I'd not be at all surprised if the results were overwhelmingly male.



My issue is not that there are individuals that think this way. That would be silly. My issue here is that the statement as originally posited is a sweeping one. If the statement were "Some women seek male/male relationships in their imagination..." with the same line of reasoning, I couldn't rightfully refute it as there are no doubt many such individuals in existence.

To put it simply saying "All men are misogynist pigs" is 100% sexist and has no basis in reality. Saying "Some men are misogynist pigs" is sadly true and something that I can't and won't refute.

You could say that my issue is in the nature of which such statements are made. Lumping all women or men together and saying that X applies to all of them denies the complexity of human nature, individual plurality and the wide spectrum of the (frequently distorted) human sexual compass.



This applies both ways.

I have a hard time believing that you guys find this an interesting avenue of discussion.

To a huge extent it seems to amount to "why do people like things I don't like, and why don't they like what I like instead?"

The main reason there are no girls here is because there are basically no people here.

Germans aren't real people.

Robots aren't people either.

Spam accounts are definitely not people.

Arioch's two trackers show that he gets about 1000-3000 uniques a day, which probably translates to 100-300 different people who're really into his comic, and that in turn likely means maybe 10-30 who're into it enough to want to sign up to talk about it in his forums on a recurring basis (as opposed to saying "hi, your comic's pretty keen, bye forever" or something similar).

You can't seriously wonder why the group of ~30 people in the entire world most drawn to a comic about pretty girls and prettier explosions would be guys.

Doesn't mean you should write women off entirely here, though--which in turn means Arioch's "respect each other" rule should be taken into account here.

If, hypothetically, I were a girl, I'd make sure nobody here would ever know. Ever. Not like it'd be difficult to pretend to be a guy, or just avoid mentioning it altogether.

I'd do this in principle just to avoid having any scrap of real life intruding into my internet experience. I don't wanna be reminded that I'm permanently bound to this mass of flesh while I'm in in cyberspace, it's bad enough that I have to deal with that in meatspace.

I am certain that none of you would ever see through my clever internet disguise.

Entirely certain.

But more importantly, under this hypothetical scenario, I'd find myself personally insulted by this conversation; "why are you reading Outsider, go back to your Twilights" and "You don't really get science fiction, you can't do logic the way everyone else here can, you don't belong and should just follow some yaoi instead" are some pretty easy subtexts to find in some of these posts. Even if that sort of antagonistic attitude isn't the sentiment intended, it's something that some outsider could read into some of these things. Even "girls aren't here because of this and this and this" can seem like what it really means is "you shouldn't be here, you're weird."

You lie, sir.It's funny you mention that.

See, when I saw the WIP for page 94, what I immediately thought was this:

Is there a contradiction?



Oh come on.


That sounds like tl;dr.


What´s wrong with stereotypes?


Well, you know the difference between lesbian-sex and gay-hc?


The funny thing is, that your position suffers from the very same pattern you´re projection on me or F110.
You reveal a deeply chauvinistic view on women if you think they´re dependend on a hero in shining armor like you.


Congrats for stumbling over a two-sided sword.


I see your problem. But i can´t help you, sry.


Or c.) you didn´t get the joke.


Where´s the problem?

Yes.



Dodge the question more.



It was not. I addressed your points as stipulated after that point.



They're a form of prejudice.



I'm sorry, what? Could you rephrase the question? I don't understand what you're asking here.





I wasn't aware that standing up for women's rights and equality was chauvinistic. Perhaps you're using a very odd dictionary. Of course, if you cared to read further into my posts, you'd find that if men were attracting the same commentary in reverse, I'd be making the same arguments. I'm against sexism on both sides of the divide. It's not like there are women here to actually defend so the whole knight in shining armour comment is at best a misapplication.



Congrats for not recognising sarcasm.



Your statement does not refute the argument I made.



Or D.) You failed to see what I did there.



Being able to attract female readership and forum members would increase the number of people that the comic proper would be exposed to. Further, more members on the forums would increase the number of discussions and topics being generated, making this place more active and fun overall. Greater popularity would mean a larger pool of people that could potentially donate to Arioch, which in turn would mean he'd have more time to work on the comic which in turn would mean more frequent updates in the best case and would help keep the comic alive in the worst case, provided real life issues don't crop up. Commentary of the kind I pointed out tends to make female readers feel unwelcome in the same manner that most guys would feel unwelcome on the corners of the internet that house hyper-feminist sentiments. Unless they're trolling.

There's nothing wrong with this place being a boys club in and of itself. There are just more benefits towards this place being "Co-ed"