A Confused Argument About Gender (split thread)

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Re: WIP Discussion (Part 1!)

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Mayhem wrote:For a heterosexual man why might girl/girl be hotter than girl/guy?
  • Girl/girl has 2 people to be attracted too not just 1.
  • From a casual sex point of view the current partner does not necessarily restrict to choice of future partners
  • There is no other male to subconsciously compare to/be threatened by
There is great Disney subcorporation family comedy of this. The man has tryed to get his wife to have sex with another woman, because he thinks it will be hot (he could watch and take part).
When he succeeds, he isn't happy anymore, when he get tired, get some snack and go sleep in couch, because the girls are still going and didn't even notice him. :P

Did I made it more clear now?
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Re: WIP Discussion (Part 1!)

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Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:Is there a contradiction?
:twisted:
Yes.
I say no.
Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:What´s wrong with stereotypes? :mrgreen:
They're a form of prejudice.
And what if they´re true nevertheless?
Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:
Razor One wrote:It further implies that women are either incapable or unwilling to take the same stance and breathe heavily as they imagine two guys having sex.

... but it's folly to think that all women aren't imagining the next "steps" and aren't getting hot and bothered while doing so.
Well, you know the difference between lesbian-sex and gay-hc?
I'm sorry, what? Could you rephrase the question? I don't understand what you're asking here.
Well, i was alluding on those differences that you deny: Men peeping at 2 Girls getting hot is one thing, but women peeping at 2 Guys doing HC is another. Should i really describe the details, e.g. how a dick looks like when it comes out of the brown saloon?
Don´t get me wrong, i don´t care for the practises of other people nor ím a gay-hater, but you can´t deny that we have a different quality here and that there aren´t many women who get hot given the picture mentioned above. The mainstream of women are not into gay-hc-porn, as mentioned earlier, they´re into romance. E.g. all my GFs were.

Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:
Razor One wrote:The reason there are no girls here is because of the general attitude displayed exemplified in your post when you brought up cattiness and bitchiness.
The funny thing is, that your position suffers from the very same pattern you´re projection on me or F110.
You reveal a deeply chauvinistic view on women if you think they´re dependend on a hero in shining armor like you. ;)
chau·vin·ist
  [shoh-vuh-nist]
noun
1.
a person who is aggressively and blindly patriotic, especially one devoted to military glory.
2.
a person who believes one gender is superior to the other, as a male chauvinist or a female chauvinist.
I wasn't aware that standing up for women's rights and equality was chauvinistic.
But you are. Your manner reveals it.
Razor One wrote:It's not like there are women here to actually defend so the whole knight in shining armour comment is at best a misapplication.
Again. ;)
Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:Congrats for stumbling over a two-sided sword. ;)
Congrats for not recognising sarcasm.
Heh. Your spin doesn´t work. 8-)

Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:Or c.) you didn´t get the joke.
Or D.) You failed to see what I did there.
Spin... 8-)

Razor One wrote:Being able to attract female readership and forum members would increase the number of people that the comic proper would be exposed to. Further, more members on the forums would increase the number of discussions and topics being generated, making this place more active and fun overall. Greater popularity would mean a larger pool of people that could potentially donate to Arioch, which in turn would mean he'd have more time to work on the comic which in turn would mean more frequent updates in the best case and would help keep the comic alive in the worst case, provided real life issues don't crop up.
Easy patterns are your thing, eh? ;)
Razor One wrote:Commentary of the kind I pointed out tends to make female readers feel unwelcome in the same manner that most guys would feel unwelcome on the corners of the internet that house hyper-feminist sentiments.
Outsider, because of its background and quality, sadly is and never will be mainstream. It, and especially the Forum, attracts only a few people who are interested in SF, fantasy, tech and so on. IF a girl or a woman would show up here, she wouldn´t be too different from "us", and subsequently there would be no problems.
Razor One wrote:There's nothing wrong with this place being a boys club in and of itself. There are just more benefits towards this place being "Co-ed" :P
That has to be proven. ;)
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Re: WIP Discussion (Part 1!)

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Razor One wrote:
Also psychology tells us that people don't necessarily understand the real reasons why they like the things they do and subconsciously create false justifications for it when asked (externally or internally) which they then subsequently believe.
This applies both ways. :P
What do you mean by this?
bunnyboy wrote:There is great Disney subcorporation family comedy of this. The man wan't share his wife with another woman.
He isn't happy anymore, when he get tired, get some snack and go sleep in couch, because the girls are still going and didn't even notice him.
I am having trouble parsing this. What do you mean by wan't? To what film/show do you refer?
Trantor wrote:Well, you know the difference between lesbian-sex and gay-hc?
What is gay-hc? Is it short for something?

I seem to be have difficulty understanding people of late. :(
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Re: WIP Discussion (Part 1!)

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Mayhem wrote:
Trantor wrote:Well, you know the difference between lesbian-sex and gay-hc?
What is gay-hc? Is it short for something?
HC = Hardcore.

Oh, the race management center is on alert obvoiusly.
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No problem, you´re still welcome. ;)
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Re: A Confused Argument About Gender (split thread)

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I guess the HC comment actually does make sense. From experience a lot of women like gays showing affection to each other. And they're fairly attracted to the notion of men kissing touching and being intimate.

But actual visible intercourse isn't really the thing they'd like to see.

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Re: WIP Discussion (Part 1!)

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Trantor wrote:
Razor One wrote:They're a form of prejudice.
And what if they´re true nevertheless?
Then it depends then on how they're applied. As it stands though, even if based on something that's true, most stereotypes are misapplied by people to reinforce their own prejudices.
Trantor wrote: Well, i was alluding on those differences that you deny: Men peeping at 2 Girls getting hot is one thing, but women peeping at 2 Guys doing HC is another. Should i really describe the details, e.g. how a dick looks like when it comes out of the brown saloon?
Don´t get me wrong, i don´t care for the practises of other people nor ím a gay-hater, but you can´t deny that we have a different quality here and that there aren´t many women who get hot given the picture mentioned above. The mainstream of women are not into gay-hc-porn, as mentioned earlier, they´re into romance. E.g. all my GFs were.
**reads your post**

Ahhhh, you meant to say Hardcore when you said HC. Not used to that abbreviation.

And that's a strawman argument. You're comparing "Two lesbians getting hot" vs. two guys engaging in hardcore sex. You're essentially comparing softcore pornography with hardcore pornography. A more appropriate comparison would be two women engaging in hardcore sex vs two men engaging in hardcore sex, or two guys "getting hot" vs. two girls "getting hot".

There's also the implication here (unless I'm wrong) that women aren't going to enjoy watching or engaging in anal sex. Patently false. :P
Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:The funny thing is, that your position suffers from the very same pattern you´re projection on me or F110.
You reveal a deeply chauvinistic view on women if you think they´re dependend on a hero in shining armor like you. ;)
chau·vin·ist
  [shoh-vuh-nist]
noun
1.
a person who is aggressively and blindly patriotic, especially one devoted to military glory.
2.
a person who believes one gender is superior to the other, as a male chauvinist or a female chauvinist.
I wasn't aware that standing up for women's rights and equality was chauvinistic.
But you are. Your manner reveals it.
Personally though, I think the reverse is true and you are merely projecting.

And you fail to point out how. If standing up for equality between men and women counts as chauvinism, as I said, you're using a seriously weird dictionary.
Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:Congrats for stumbling over a two-sided sword. ;)
Congrats for not recognising sarcasm.
Heh. Your spin doesn´t work. 8-)
Neither does yours.
Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:Or c.) you didn´t get the joke.
Or D.) You failed to see what I did there.
Spin... 8-)
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Razor One wrote:Being able to attract female readership and forum members would increase the number of people that the comic proper would be exposed to. Further, more members on the forums would increase the number of discussions and topics being generated, making this place more active and fun overall. Greater popularity would mean a larger pool of people that could potentially donate to Arioch, which in turn would mean he'd have more time to work on the comic which in turn would mean more frequent updates in the best case and would help keep the comic alive in the worst case, provided real life issues don't crop up.
Easy patterns are your thing, eh? ;)
Not seeing a refutation of my reasoning here. Just a thoughtless dismissal since you can't counter my points.
Razor One wrote:Commentary of the kind I pointed out tends to make female readers feel unwelcome in the same manner that most guys would feel unwelcome on the corners of the internet that house hyper-feminist sentiments.
Outsider, because of its background and quality, sadly is and never will be mainstream. It, and especially the Forum, attracts only a few people who are interested in SF, fantasy, tech and so on. IF a girl or a woman would show up here, she wouldn´t be too different from "us", and subsequently there would be no problems.
Bolded for emphasis. Sexist commentary drives the likelihood of women commenting here down.
Razor One wrote:There's nothing wrong with this place being a boys club in and of itself. There are just more benefits towards this place being "Co-ed" :P
That has to be proven. ;)
No, it does not.
Mayhem wrote:
Razor One wrote:
Also psychology tells us that people don't necessarily understand the real reasons why they like the things they do and subconsciously create false justifications for it when asked (externally or internally) which they then subsequently believe.
This applies both ways. :P
What do you mean by this?
Just as there are false justifications for liking things, there are also false justifications for disliking things.

And as the saying goes, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Re: WIP Discussion (Part 1!)

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Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:
Razor One wrote:They're a form of prejudice.
And what if they´re true nevertheless?
Then it depends then on how they're applied. As it stands though, even if based on something that's true, most stereotypes are misapplied by people to reinforce their own prejudices.
It´s too hard for you to accept that someone else could be right, right? 8-)

Razor One wrote:And that's a strawman argument. You're comparing "Two lesbians getting hot" vs. two guys engaging in hardcore sex. You're essentially comparing softcore pornography with hardcore pornography. A more appropriate comparison would be two women engaging in hardcore sex vs two men engaging in hardcore sex, or two guys "getting hot" vs. two girls "getting hot".
That´s what i meant. It is still a different quality.
BTW: By US-Standards, are we PG-25 already? :mrgreen:

Razor One wrote:There's also the implication here (unless I'm wrong) that women aren't going to enjoy watching or engaging in anal sex. Patently false. :P
You (pretend to) know strange females... 8-)
Most don´t. Own experience. ;)

Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:But you are. Your manner reveals it.
Personally though, I think the reverse is true and you are merely projecting.
...
...And you fail to point out how.
It´s the pattern. Blame teh language-barrier for lack of explanation.

Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:Heh. Your spin doesn´t work. 8-)
Neither does yours.
No spin here. Not my style. ;)

Razor One wrote:Not seeing a refutation of my reasoning here. Just a thoughtless dismissal since you can't counter my points.
I did, with sarcasm. ;)

Razor One wrote:Bolded for emphasis. Sexist commentary drives the likelihood of women commenting here down.
Below zero? How? :mrgreen:

Razor One wrote:
Trantor wrote:
Razor One wrote:There's nothing wrong with this place being a boys club in and of itself. There are just more benefits towards this place being "Co-ed" :P
That has to be proven. ;)
No, it does not.
How can you say that? 8-)



Edit: Oh great. On the "Discussion Overview"-page my name is filed under "Author". :shock:

So as the race management center decided to give me the opening credits for this threadsplit, i´ll leave the closing words to you, Razor. ;)
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Re: A Confused Argument About Gender (split thread)

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I have no idea what "race management" means in the context of a discussion about gender, so if you think that's something I should know, feel free to educate me in a private message.

However, I have let this nonsensical conversation go on much longer than I should have.

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