Re: Page 101: And I will take VERY good care of you!
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:43 am
Did she speak?ed_montague wrote:[T]he main Loroi character in that one was Fireblade...
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Did she speak?ed_montague wrote:[T]he main Loroi character in that one was Fireblade...
It was best fanfic ever!ed_montague wrote:I have read at least one "moustache fanfic" posted on /tg/ involving...well, it didn't quite involve Beryl's basement dungeon of love--the main Loroi character in that one was Fireblade...
It was simultaneously arousing and terrifying. May God have mercy on my soul.
Well, when Alex was walking to the bridge, he said he noticed that the Loroi tended to avoid contact with each other.crumjd wrote:It wouldn't be surprising if the Lori don't use an American style personal space. Most *human* cultures stand closer together and touch each other more frequently then Americans. Though not all, in some cultures people stand further apart and touch each other less.
The 51st may not have been on a diplomatic mission, but I think Tempo remains the chief diplomatic officer for the mission, if that makes sense. Doubtless her workload was expected to be lower than it has proven, but Stillstorm's authority over Alex really didn't seem greater than Tempo's to me, despite Stills' captaincy. If you are correct that placing Alex in the brig is indeed the "only logical option" for the Tempest and the situation that it was in, then it would be the only logical option for Tempo to take, just as much as it would be the only logical option for Stillstorm, so the matter of who actually gave the order becomes moot as the decision itself would be inevitable.Suederwind wrote: I do not think that Tempo was responsible for Alex. The 51st is not on a diplomatic mission and I think they did not expect someone or something like Alex to show up. That region of Space is burnend and lifeless except for the enemy. Its more likely that Stillstorm was in charge of him and she choose the only logical option in this situation: throw this "human" in the brig and examine it later. If its dangerous for Tempest: throw it out of an airlock or cut it open. If not, well lets find out...
My understanding is that diplomacy is, to a large extent, psychological warfare, and I think it would be especially focused on that aspect amongst a species who have delegated the task to their most proficient mind-readers.osmium wrote: I don't think the Loroi are making any assumptions about human psychology. As physically similar as the two species are, mentally (if only by psi) and socially they are clearly very different. I highly doubt given that he's a diplomat that may one day rejoin his people they would risk psychological warfare (unless of course treating him as a diplomat is only a cover... kinda twilight zone esc that twist). Also they don't know what might work and what might not, probably better and safer to play it safe. My bet is it's because they're basically on high alert, don't really have diplomat's quarters and know the Loroi probably won't mix too well with a creature that constantly talks (which is basically a huge insult... I guess sorta like running around arabic countries slapping people with the sole of your shoe, or eating from communal food with the left hand in countries without TP [did I blow your mind there?]).
Well, as I said above I don't think Stillstorm would necessarily have the authority or, if it came down to it, the means to keep Tempo from having a nice long chat with Alex about Earth's location if that's what Tempo decided to do. So at the very least, unlike Beryl I think there was likely something Tempo could have done, but chose not to do.fredgiblet wrote: You make a compelling argument, however I think you've overlooked something. I wholeheartedly agree that Stillstorm doesn't seem like the type who'd be fine just leaving Alex in the brig, however he is a recognized diplomat, which means that that's probably just about the best she can do. As far as letting him roam free and then gutting him when he's out of view she would need to do that personally and when they were alone as it's unlikely that anyone else would do it for her (court-martial ahoy!) and it's unlikely that anyone else would let her do it if they saw her. Even if there are other Loroi who seriously dislike Alex I have to imagine that it's very easy for Loroi detectives to pry information out of people, and it's probably very difficult to get away with crimes in general for the Loroi. Something as serious as the murder of a precursor species diplomat would probably bring the full weight of the Loroi government down on the Tempest for an investigation, and I think Stillstorm's smart enough to not get herself shortened over a personal dislike of someone.
However there's no reason it couldn't be both, and, as I said, you make a compelling argument for why Tempo would want him locked up as well, and given my own position I can't see Stillstorm disagreeing with the decision.
Or because the unaccounted for crew-members are also onboard and they want them to think they're alone to see if they're lying Umiak constructs.fredgiblet wrote:EDIT: Also this re-enforces my thought that Stillstorm has been keeping him in solitary, probably just because she can.
Oh, hell, I hope a few of his crewmates survived. Ellen and Admiral Hamilton are still listed as characters, after all. As improbable as it may be, I really want an emotional reunion scene.dfacto wrote:Or because the unaccounted for crew-members are also onboard and they want them to think they're alone to see if they're lying Umiak constructs.fredgiblet wrote:EDIT: Also this re-enforces my thought that Stillstorm has been keeping him in solitary, probably just because she can.
I thought we already had an emotional reunion scene.ed_montague wrote:As improbable as it may be, I really want an emotional reunion scene.
Welcome to the forum, Muttley. An interesting theory, and certainly one of the darker ones I've heard regarding Beryl. Read more of the forum, and you'll see she's generally regarded as the most adorable thing the Loroi have ever produced.Muttley wrote:First post here: I don't know if this idea has been posted before. I can't find anything that looks like it on a brief search.
I think that Beryl is pursuing her own agenda, to befriend Alex with the aim of extracting information. I think she's been ordered to do this but she may have decided to do it on her own: certainly she's not all that she appears on the surface. She's doing good cop/bad cop with Fireblade too.
Hence the temptation being put in front of Alex here - Beryl's sizing him up to see how distractable he is.
Emotional reunion, jump-induced nightmare, what's the difference, right?Solemn wrote:I thought we already had an emotional reunion scene.ed_montague wrote:As improbable as it may be, I really want an emotional reunion scene.
The emotion was fear.
I've actually said this before. Beryl has 5 points of Xenophilia (it doesn't mean what you think it means (unless it does)), which means she is interested in non-Loroi to the point where it can be detrimental to her, whether that means getting yelled at for talking to Alex about baseball instead of monitoring her displays, or finding out which bacteria in the human mouth are effective on Loroi. Even if she wasn't ordered to be there she probably would be, and if she was excluded she would probably go out of her way to get on the shuttle. Add to that the fact that Beryl also has the Charitable disad and Alex has been treated most uncharitably recently and I think she'd blow a gasket if she wasn't allowed to show up and be friendly (she also has Bad Temper).Muttley wrote:First post here: I don't know if this idea has been posted before. I can't find anything that looks like it on a brief search.
I think that Beryl is pursuing her own agenda, to befriend Alex with the aim of extracting information. I think she's been ordered to do this but she may have decided to do it on her own: certainly she's not all that she appears on the surface. She's doing good cop/bad cop with Fireblade too.
Hence the temptation being put in front of Alex here - Beryl's sizing him up to see how distractable he is.
Nope, you don´t. Or did anyone really wonder, why there where no woman allowed on sailing ships back in the old days?do I really need to spell it out?
Good call. I like this.Razor One wrote:I take a slightly different view to Beryl's invasion of Alex's personal space.
Setting aside cultural differences, I'd say it's likely she's trying to sniff him out telepathically.
He reads as a blank to all Loroi. That's gotta be disconcerting from their point of view. Even if they've squared it away intellectually, it's going to take time to do that instinctively. He's there, but their senses, the ones they use to spot people, insist that there's nothing. She's coming up ever so close to 'see' him better, to see if there's even a hint of him on her Psidar.
Its somewhat like if someone were 99.99% transparent. You can tell someone's there, you can certainly infer their existence, but you'd be hard pressed not to come up close and peer to catch the barest glimpse of what they look like. This I think partly explains Beryl's behaviour.
The rest of the explanation lies in that Beryl wants to jump Alex's bones. At least once. Preferably more than once.
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