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I started to wonder, what happened to them? Where they ended?
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Well, for starters they can provide information. Since they were interstellar traders they should know a lot about what's going on. Some of it might be hearsay, but it's still better that nothing. I think that's what actually happened and the Orgus played the role of advisors while the scouting corp was formed. Also, assuming that their tech is better, they can serve as scientific advisers, too. After those possibilities are exhausted, why not setting up some enclave for them somewhere? After all they are essential just a ship's crew worth of aliens, maybe less that 100?

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The Orgus still on Esperanza probably live in an enclave, primarily for their own protection and comfort (Esperanza being a rough frontier world).

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The Orgus were a small nation located on the periphery of what would eventually become the Umiak sphere of influence. As an interstellar presence, the Orgus would probably have been just a stop on the long ancient trade routes, sort of an oasis on the dusty and largely disused “silk road” between distant civilizations, and the nations that were soon to come under Umiak hegemony. As the Umiak Empire began to grow, the Orgus (and other nearby nations) would have been known to the Umiak, but not of much interest to them. Even after the start of the war and the resulting aggressive Umiak expansionism, it would have been difficult for the Orgus to believe that one day there would be Umiak warships knocking on their door. Even as late as the Tithric incident in 2141, there may not have been much alarm regarding the Umiak announcements of non-neutrality, partially because the Orgus and their neighbors were not near the borders with the Loroi, and partially because the Umiak were still then a remote power whose threats were not taken seriously. It was not clear at the time that the Umiak would take the non-neutrality doctrine as license to annex their neighbors.

The Orgus now in Terran hands would have been a collection of refugees gathered at a remote trade outpost. Some would have been returning from abroad, and some fleeing interior areas. What they would have in common is that none would have much information on the diplomacy that preceded the military action, nor many details about the invasion itself, once it had taken place, as no information left a system once the Umiak had taken control of it. The Orgus refugees did not know what the Umiak had in store for them, be it genocide, reorganization, or merely a very rigorously controlled tea party. Those Orgus still in outlying areas who had decided not to submit to the Umiak fled in what transport they could arrange.

In the case of the group that found our space, they chose a freighter that had been returning to Orgus space from outlying areas, removed the cargo and filled it with as many refugees as it could sustain. Many such ships attempted to flee Umiak dominion, mostly to destinations that were previously known, along the existing trade routes. However, most of the nations surrounding the Orgus had already agreed to some form of affiliation with the Umiak, so some ships did not take the direct routes through the silk road, but instead took detours that they believed could eventually deliver them to the desired destinations. Some detours required making jumps that had not been tested for millennia. Some ships did not survive the attempt. At least one Orgus ship found its detour taking it through space now claimed by a previously unknown race, Humanity. The Orgus refugees would have discovered Terran marker buoys that led them to 82 Eridani, site of the human Esperanza colony. Rather than continue the hazardous search for an alternate route to the Silk Road, these Orgus surrendered themselves to the Terran authorities at Esperanza, and their flight ended. Several thousand Orgus offered their ship and their combined knowledge in exchange for sanctuary.

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Where are the refugees now? (All on one planet? Spread out?)

The Terran Colonial Authority took custody of the Orgus ship, crew and passengers, though the ship and most of the Orgus remain at Esperanza due to issues of local sovereignty. Many of the Orgus have been transported to other locations, mostly Earth, to serve as experts and teachers, especially regarding the Trade Language and the locations of the trade routes, on which some Orgus individuals were aids in teaching classes at the TCA Academy (which Alex attended).

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What is their status in Terran Society?

The Orgus are aliens who have requested sanctuary. The current TCA charter does not recognize the rights of aliens, so the status of an Orgus is dependent upon what human nation it resides in, and what deals have been made. The existence of the Orgus has not been kept a secret (as one can hardly expect to place six planets on a war footing with no explanation), but they have certainly been kept under the tightest security, for a variety of reasons which I'm sure you can imagine. As you can expect, each and every one of the Orgus expatriates has been closely interviewed by the Terran authorities, and their movements are carefully controlled.

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How did they react to the possibility of the humans allying with the Umiak?

It is unlikely that the Terran authorities discussed any of their plans for the survival of humanity with alien refugees.

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Do we know where their home territory was?

The refugees eagerly supplied Terran intelligence with detailed information on Orgus space and the trade routes known to them. In this sense, Humanity may know as much or more about some of the peripheral races and the ancient trade routes through that sector as the Umiak do. This information is they only way that Terran scouts could have arrived along the axis of Loroi/Umiak conflict.

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How long ago did the Umiak attack?

Many details of the Umiak attack are unknown even to the Orgus that fled the aftermath. The flight of the Orgus refugee freighter would have begun earlier in 2158.

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Did the Loroi know of / meet the Orgus prior to the Umiak attack?

The Loroi were relative newcomers to what they now call the Seren sector. Even before the outbreak of war, the Umiak did not permit unauthorized vessels to pass through their borders, so knowledge of the territory and races cut off from the Loroi by the Umiak “iron curtain” is very limited. Knowledge of the region beyond the Umiak domain would be limited to ancient legend perpetuated by the Historians, and what Loroi intelligence could obtain through "non-traditional" methods. But those Loroi that Alex is likely to bump into would probably never have heard of the Orgus. The Orgus refugees, never having met a Loroi, certainly know them by reputation and (Umiak-supplied) propaganda.

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Orgus played the role of advisors while the scouting corp was formed. Also, assuming that their tech is better, they can serve as scientific advisers, too. After those possibilities are exhausted...??

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Blackcap145 wrote:Orgus played the role of advisors while the scouting corp was formed. Also, assuming that their tech is better, they can serve as scientific advisers, too. After those possibilities are exhausted...??

They will probably be granted some form of citizenship on Esperanza and by the TCA. They wouldn't be dissected.

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Zakharra wrote:They wouldn't be dissected.
At least, not before they died of natural causes. :twisted:
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What is this "silk road" reference here? Ancient? How ancient? (post-Soia I presume). The map seems to show a connection between Orgus and Terran space. Is that so or is it just a highlight of the route the Orgus took?

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It's a reference to a Soia-era trade route that passed through Terran space. That's how the Orgus ended up here.

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fredgiblet wrote:It's a reference to a Soia-era trade route that passed through Terran space. That's how the Orgus ended up here.
AFAIK, its a reference to the trade route(s) going outside the Local Bubble. If it was and old trade route towards Terran space, the Orgus would've knocked on our door centuries before.
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Hence why I said it passed through our space :P Back when the Soia were a thing there was nothing to see on Earth, except the proto-humans that undoubtedly inspired the design of the Loroi that is.

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fredgiblet wrote:Hence why I said it passed through our space :P Back when the Soia were a thing there was nothing to see on Earth, except the proto-humans that undoubtedly inspired the design of the Loroi that is.
Again, AFAIK the 'silk route' goes beyond Orgus space towards the Orion Arm (upper part of the Local Bubble map). The reason this Orgus refugee ship wound up near Esperanza is they tried to find a way around those parts of the 'silk route' blocked to them by the Umiak and their affiliates. :roll:
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Why dissect? We already have medical imaging technology that could tell us most of what we needed to know, and that's ignoring the possibility of there being Orgus doctors and Orgus medical texts on the freighter and its computers.

That technology would be a lot more advanced, or likely even surpassed by Ensign Jardin's time.
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