The oldest agricultural cultures dated for roughly 8-10k years ago, the first domestication of animals, too, about this period + - 1000 years. Yes, not all, but the first culture of this period arose in Mesopotamia, which is uncomfortable for life is clearly not name. More northern culture emerged much later, and they have just been and sophisticated agricultural tools and machinery of agriculture and domesticated animals. Dogsled charges according to the vision of the information I have about 8000 years, the dumping of 2000 on the development of the idea and get about 6000 years of operation. And it has been used mainly in cold countries like Chukotka and Alaska. Scraper even older, they were known as far back as the Stone Age. In general, you can plow a field manually, but in the world it is effective in not so large range of areas. In other places it is the development of technology of agriculture and domesticated animals were given a major boost to the development of agricultural cultures.icekatze wrote:hi hi
Humans were farming barely-domesticated crops for thousands of years before cattle were domesticated for plowing fields, 11,000 BC for lentils and vetch in Greece, 9,500 BC for the eight founder crops in Neolithic B sites, and 8,500 BC for cattle in Turkey and Pakistan. Llamas weren't domesticated until about 4,000 BC, some 11,000 years after people settled in the Andes region. The earliest archeological evidence of sled dogs isn't until about 2,000 BC, some 14,000 years after people arrived, and even then, they were only prominent in the Yukon and Alaska regions of North America.
It turns out that human legs are well adapted to long distance travel. And presumably, the Soia-Liron crops are engineered to grow well in a variety of conditions that humanity's early crops were not.
If you need to move only the man himself - yes, as I already said. But if you have to drag myself to 20-50 kilogram - then the problems begin. Because we are good evolutionary adapted to move on a fairly long distances and not to carry heavy loads on these same distance. What do you think, why any trader image includes at least a pack animal or at least a truck?
Arioch wrote:Also, the Loroi aren't farming wheat or rice. They're farming misesa and other crops that are genetically engineered to be productive and easy to farm in marginal conditions.
I don't accept the premise of the question, which seems to be that invention of mechanical transport is impossible without the idea of pack animals. If you have a steam engine, and you're looking for things it can do, eventually you can figure out to make a vehicle even if you've never seen a horse. The Loroi had ships from early days; the concept of a vehicle was not alien to them.
The invention of mechanical transport impossible if inventor not have concept of transport. Innovations are based on the improvement of existing concepts and introducing new ideas according to actual technological development. And if you have not borrowed the idea from someone else, you cannot jump over several development steps at a time. Roughly speaking, if you have a cart and ICE - the machine as a result it may well succeed. But if you have no carts at all, or there is only a scraper - the way to the first car will be long and thorny. Because all of the missing steps some inventor will have to pass in one technological stage. Jet aircraft appeared after piston-engined airplane has reached its peak of development, and not vice versa.
This engine development, and it is, in principle, similar to the hypothesis of their development. But the car is, roughly speaking, the motor and the cart. Where's the cart, that is the question.Absalom wrote:On Deinar, probably it was like this: water wheels + windmills (food & ore grinding, forge bellows) -> primitive engines (for places that are bad for water wheels) -> powered ships + powered ore mines (better transport, more workers focused on mining).