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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:But they do need to speak when they're communicating beyond sanzai distance - say, two Loroi making a call to one another from opposite sides of the planet, or two fighter pilots. Wouldn't they need to use one another's spoken names in such cases, and in that case, a highbrow long-name like Rune Laurel might be cumbersome?
Combat pilots don't use their real names over the radio -- they would use callsigns or unit names instead.
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:But okay - would they take such abbreviation well from a friend who's a complete psychic blank - IE, human? For example, if Rune Laurel and Alex somehow became good friends, would she be upset if he abbreviated it to "Rune," or take it in stride? Would that vary from individual to individual, or be general?
This is something that doesn't normally happen, so it's a hypothetical. We'll have to wait and see how they react.
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Hang on, though - the Emperor's Flagship is also the Imperial Capitol. Does the Diadem Council cruise around with her? If so, if her ship gets destroyed - as happened with Eighth Dawn and Skymaster when the Emperor was forced to lead her personal squadron directly into the Umiak guns to prevent a breakthrough into undefended heartlands - wouldn't that take the Council out with her, and decapitate the government?
As with the President's cabinet, they don't follow him around everywhere, but they do come together to meet from time to time, and sometimes this is aboard the flagship.
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Sure, though it wasn't actually Greywind I was referring to. But can they accelerate the growth rate if so desired - say, if something urgent enough that Greywind has to personally flee on foot from comes up, and she just hacks her hair off to make escape practical, and after the danger is past, she doesn't feel like waiting another 90 years (which she may not have) to get her hair back?
At a high level of medical technology, many things are possible, but it's hard to imagine a sensible Loroi using medical resources for something so superficial. Hair weaves work.
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Did Eye of Heaven have an intentional (from a Doylist point of view) design flaw in that she has no point-defense cannons?
I don't see it as a design flaw. It was a flagship that had three twin medium blaster turrets and two missile launchers, carried 8 interceptors, and was always accompanied by escort vessels.

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Arioch wrote:Combat pilots don't use their real names over the radio -- they would use callsigns or unit names instead.
Okay, but what about friends who happen to be within easy radio range, but not sanzai range?
Arioch wrote:This is something that doesn't normally happen, so it's a hypothetical. We'll have to wait and see how they react.
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As with the President's cabinet, they don't follow him around everywhere, but they do come together to meet from time to time, and sometimes this is aboard the flagship.
Ahhh, point taken.
Arioch wrote:At a high level of medical technology, many things are possible, but it's hard to imagine a sensible Loroi using medical resources for something so superficial. Hair weaves work.
Fair enough, it seems like they can be... Arbitrary when it comes to matters of practicality, and outright impractical when it comes to their hair.

I mean, I can't in any way imagine the hairstyles we've seen a lot of them sporting as being in any way "practical" or "sensible," starting with Greywind's hair, which clearly needs an attendant or a robot or something simply to walk around with, but there's also... Wow. So many examples the forum chokes on that many URLs. I'll composite an image. But they clearly spend so much time and energy on their hair that I'm inclined to think there must be at least five full-time hairstylists aboard Tempest. That, or a lot of hairstyling robots.
It seems to me, then, they don't seem to have much of a problem dedicating fairly significant amounts of resources to caring for hair, and that if you're going to have a hair salon aboard ship, you might as well go a little further and equip it to accelerate hair growth.

[e]Bloody hell, this is a job and a half. I'm better than half-way to a full index of the Loroi! I'm just gonna go ahead and make one, then.
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Did Eye of Heaven have an intentional (from a Doylist point of view) design flaw in that she has no point-defense cannons?
I don't see it as a design flaw. It was a flagship that had three twin medium blaster turrets and two missile launchers, carried 8 interceptors, and was always accompanied by escort vessels.
Sure, but AMMs aren't the bee's knees versus gunships - not terrible, but not great - and escorts and fighters can be picked off or scattered, whereas shooting off point-defense turrets is a mite harder. Also, Eye of Heaven is listed as having multi-purpose missile launchers, meaning that if she's firing AMMs out of them, she probably isn't firing torpedoes or cluster torpedoes.

It just seems like a design flaw to me. Or are blaster turrets usable in a point-defense role if necessary?
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Okay, but what about friends who happen to be within easy radio range, but not sanzai range?
I'm missing the part where it's a problem to say "Rune Laurel" instead of "Rune" over the radio. Loroi don't spend a lot of time chatting verbally; and especially not informally. Spoken language is very formal to the Loroi.
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Fair enough, it seems like they can be... Arbitrary when it comes to matters of practicality, and outright impractical when it comes to their hair.
Let's put it this way: long hair is a status symbol. New recruits have their heads shaven as a sign of their low status. Does it make sense in a society with this kind of rule that it would be okay for someone with short hair to artificially grow it long?

Warriors can be vain, but they (usually) value toughness and view combat experience as an asset. I suppose a prissy warrior with a two-word name might be upset by having her coiffure damaged in combat, but a warrior worth her salt would probably wear the burnt locks as a badge of honor. (In a tastefully appropriate and stylish new hairstyle, of course.)

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:[[e]Bloody hell, this is a job and a half. I'm better than half-way to a full codex of the Loroi! I'm just gonna go ahead and make one, then.
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Arioch wrote:I'm missing the part where it's a problem to say "Rune Laurel" instead of "Rune" over the radio. Loroi don't spend a lot of time chatting verbally; and especially not informally. Spoken language is very formal to the Loroi.
Well, I suppose it's not really much of a problem, if you're not going to be spending much time speaking informally...
That would seem to preclude Loroi from having any long-distance friendships, though, if they pretty much can't be/aren't informal when speaking aloud. Your entire circle of friends would pretty much be the people within sanzai + travel distance. So if someone a Loroi knows moves across the planet, she basically loses touch with them?

Though, Moonglow and Ashrain had that wager going... And come to that, Stillstorm didn't chastise them for non-focused chatter in the middle of battle. Or was that just a bit of ship-to-ship chatter we saw (like we saw the inside of Talon's cockpit,) that Alex and the bridge crew of Tempest didn't get to overhear?


Arioch wrote:Let's put it this way: long hair is a status symbol. New recruits have their heads shaven as a sign of their low status. Does it make sense in a society with this kind of rule that it would be okay for someone with short hair to artificially grow it long?
Well, the Insider does say that those are generally-held customs, but it doesn't imply that they're enforced as rules.
Loroi Concept Art wrote:Hairstyle is an individual choice, but in general, the more elaborate the hairstyle, the higher the social status of the wearer, and the longer the hair, the older the individual.
I mean, I'd expect someone who grew her hair out beyond her years, so to speak, would catch shit over it unless she was such an epic badass that nobody dared give her shit over it.
Fireblade, for example: she's 25 years old, but her hair hangs down to about just above her knees, or roughly 70% the height of her body. Stillstorm and Tempo are both much older than Fireblade, but wear their hair quite a lot shorter. So clearly, there's some allowance for a younger officer to have hair longer than her seniors.

So is it just a case of "Unsheathed can do whatever the hell they want with their hair," or "Notable badasses can do whatever the hell they want with their hair," or is it like, you risk scorn/ridicule/ostracisement/disciplinary action if you wear your hair longer/more elaborately than custom says you should, but if your shipmates/commander accept it, it's okay, or would a young officer who wants to wear her hair longer than her years need to request permission from her commander (and possibly justify it somehow?)
Warriors can be vain, but they (usually) value toughness and view combat experience as an asset. I suppose a prissy warrior with a two-word name might be upset by having her coiffure damaged in combat, but a warrior worth her salt would probably wear the burnt locks as a badge of honor. (In a tastefully appropriate and stylish new hairstyle, of course.)
I'd imagine that would be the expected thing to do, but, of course, individual reactions might vary.
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Are any of the Loroi in the brig in page 36 Flint or Reed? I don't want to be wrong about their first appearances.

[e]Also, was it Cloud who took away the Historian's urn in page 36? The hair is the same style, but looks a little longer than when we saw her last.

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Loroi Concept Art wrote:Hairstyle is an individual choice, but in general, the more elaborate the hairstyle, the higher the social status of the wearer, and the longer the hair, the older the individual.
I mean, I'd expect someone who grew her hair out beyond her years, so to speak, would catch shit over it unless she was such an epic badass that nobody dared give her shit over it.
Fireblade, for example: she's 25 years old, but her hair hangs down to about just above her knees, or roughly 70% the height of her body. Stillstorm and Tempo are both much older than Fireblade, but wear their hair quite a lot shorter. So clearly, there's some allowance for a younger officer to have hair longer than her seniors.

So is it just a case of "Unsheathed can do whatever the hell they want with their hair," or "Notable badasses can do whatever the hell they want with their hair," or is it like, you risk scorn/ridicule/ostracisement/disciplinary action if you wear your hair longer/more elaborately than custom says you should, but if your shipmates/commander accept it, it's okay, or would a young officer who wants to wear her hair longer than her years need to request permission from her commander (and possibly justify it somehow?)
From what I recall, Stillstorm actually cut her hair and is growing it back due to prior shenanigans. I can't exactly recall what though; it was either something to do with Admiral Sunfall, or the death of one or two of her daughters. Not 100% on that though.
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Razor One wrote:From what I recall, Stillstorm actually cut her hair and is growing it back due to prior shenanigans. I can't exactly recall what though; it was either something to do with Admiral Sunfall, or the death of one or two of her daughters. Not 100% on that though.
Fair enough.

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Did Razorthorn get demoted between her first appearance and when we see her on the bridge? Her trim is notably blue in medbay, but on the bridge panels in which she appears, her glowing trim appears bright white, as if she had been demoted from Teidar Ragan to Teidar.

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Fireblade*
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Fireblade, Beryl*, Brown-Bob (Doranzer)?*
Page 20
Fireblade, Beryl, Brown-Bob?, Desire? (Green-Haired Doranzer)*
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Beryl, Fireblade
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Brown-Bob Doranzer, Desire?, Razorthorn*, Mothwing*, Stillstorm*
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Stillstorm, Fireblade, Beryl
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Beryl, Fireblade, Stillstorm
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Stillstorm, Fireblade, Brown-Bob, Beryl, Desire?, Razorthorn
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Stillstorm, Mothwing, Razorthorn, Fireblade
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Fireblade
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Mothwing, Razorthorn, Fireblade

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Fireblade
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Fireblade
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Beryl, Fireblade
Page 34
Beryl, Fireblade
Page 35
Beryl, Fireblade
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Beryl, Brig Guard (Soroin) 1*?, Fireblade, Beryl, Brig Guard (Soroin; Reed?) 2*?, Brig Guard (Soroin) 3?*, Brig Guard (Soroin) 4?*
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Beryl, Fireblade
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Beryl
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Beryl, Fireblade, Brig Guard (Soroin) 5?*
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Beryl, Fireblade
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Spiral*, Talon*, Beryl, Fireblade, Cloud*
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Cloud, Beryl, Fireblade, Welder 1?*, Welder 2?*
Caste Unknown for the welders; not Gallen uniforms.
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Beryl, Fireblade, Cloud
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Beryl, Fireblade
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Fireblade, Cloud, Beryl
Page 46
Beryl, Fireblade, Cloud
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Fireblade, Beryl, Pink-Hair (Soroin) 1*?, Cloud
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Cloud, Beryl, Fireblade
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Cloud, Fireblade, Beryl
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Tempest (Depiction)*, Beryl
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Beryl, Cloud, Fireblade,
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... Fuck my life. This is where the bridge scenes start.
Panel 1: Starboard Gallery 1*?, Tactical (Listel)*?, Razorthorn, Cloud, Subsystems Chief (Soroin)*?, Bridge Guard 1*?,
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Tempo
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Tempo
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Fireblade, Beryl, Tempo, Rune Laurel, Tactical, Razorthorn
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Tempo, Subsystems Chief
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Tempo
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Fireblade, Beryl, Tempo, Razorthorn, Tactical
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Tempo
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Fireblade, Tempo, Beryl
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Tempo, Stillstorm, Tactical, Bridge Guard 1, Razorthorn, Fireblade, Bridge Guard 2?*, Beryl, Subsystems Chief
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Fireblade, Stillstorm, Tempo
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Fireblade, Tempo, Beryl, Tactical, Razorthorn
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Stillstorm, Tempo, Beryl,
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Tempo, Point-Defense, Bridge Gofer (Is this Cloud? Hair looks too long.)*?
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Tempo
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Tempo, Stillstorm
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Rune Laurel, Tempo, Forest, Stillstorm, Nova*
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Stillstorm, Rune Laurel, Beryl, Tempo
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Tempo, Fireblade, Razorthorn, Beryl, Stillstorm
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Stillstorm, Tempo, Nova, Rune Laurel, Forest, Beryl
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Beryl, Fireblade
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Moonglow*, Rune Laurel, Ashrain*, Stillstorm, Arclight*, Forest, Nova
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Beryl

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Tempest, Cobalt, Redriver,

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Forest, Stillstorm, Rune Laurel
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Talon, Nova, Beryl
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Arclight, Nova, Stillstorm, Ashrain
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Moonglow
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Moonglow
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Moonglow, Ashrain
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Stllstorm, Winter Tide Tenoin*✝, Nova✝, Arclight
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Beryl, Fireblade, Forest, Rune Laurel, Arclight, Stillstorm
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Subsystems Chief, Tempo, Forest, Rune Laurel, Stillstorm
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Tempo, Stillstorm
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Beryl, Stillstorm
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Stillstorm, Beryl
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Beryl, Fireblade, Stillstorm, Tempo
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Beryl, Fireblade, Rune Laurel, Stillstorm

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Fireblade, Reed* (Unless she was in the brig)
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Fireblade, Flint* (Unless she was in the brig,) Reed
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Reed, Fireblade, Satchel Gofer*?, Beryl, Flint
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Beryl, Satchel Gofer, Fireblade, Flint
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Beryl, Flint, Fireblade, Reed
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Beryl, Flint
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Beryl, Flint, Fireblade, Reed, Tempo, Cloud
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Beryl, Tempo, Cloud, Flint, Fireblade, Reed
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Beryl, Tempo, Fireblade
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Tempo, Cloud, Beryl
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Beryl, Fireblade, Tempo, Cloud
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Tempo, Cloud, Beryl
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Tempo, Beryl
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Beryl, Tempo, Talon
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Tempo, Talon
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Did Razorthorn get demoted between her first appearance and when we see her on the bridge? Her trim is notably blue in medbay, but on the bridge panels in which she appears, her glowing trim appears bright white, as if she had been demoted from Teidar Ragan to Teidar.
Maybe the "glare" of the trim stands out better because it is darker on the bridge?
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GeoModder wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Did Razorthorn get demoted between her first appearance and when we see her on the bridge? Her trim is notably blue in medbay, but on the bridge panels in which she appears, her glowing trim appears bright white, as if she had been demoted from Teidar Ragan to Teidar.
Maybe the "glare" of the trim stands out better because it is darker on the bridge?
Dunno; maybe, maybe not. It just seems that it's bright white, rather than bright cyan. Maybe I'm looking wrong, that's entirely possible. That's why I asked.

Also, the port-side bridge guard is absent from the wide-angle shot on Page 52, but appears in the wide shot on Page 61. Maybe she snuck in while the camera was looking at someone else? :)

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
GeoModder wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Did Razorthorn get demoted between her first appearance and when we see her on the bridge? Her trim is notably blue in medbay, but on the bridge panels in which she appears, her glowing trim appears bright white, as if she had been demoted from Teidar Ragan to Teidar.
Maybe the "glare" of the trim stands out better because it is darker on the bridge?
Dunno; maybe, maybe not. It just seems that it's bright white, rather than bright cyan. Maybe I'm looking wrong, that's entirely possible. That's why I asked.

Also, the port-side bridge guard is absent from the wide-angle shot on Page 52, but appears in the wide shot on Page 61. Maybe she snuck in while the camera was looking at someone else? :)
That is what you do if you are late. Sneak in hoping no one will notice. It is like when I made my then mandatory tour of duty in the military and we forgot to raise the flag in time a Sunday morning. What to do? Raise the flag as quickly as possible without the trumpet fanfare over the regiments speaker system. As far as I know, no one noticed. :-D

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Dunno; maybe, maybe not. It just seems that it's bright white, rather than bright cyan. Maybe I'm looking wrong, that's entirely possible. That's why I asked.

Also, the port-side bridge guard is absent from the wide-angle shot on Page 52, but appears in the wide shot on Page 61. Maybe she snuck in while the camera was looking at someone else? :)
On page 61 Razorthorn's insignia is Cyan again so I will put it down to creator's error :P

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How are Loroi vessels' crews' called to action?

In Page 73, Forest issues the command "at quick for action," but there don't appear to be any klaxons or changes in the lighting. Is the command just supposed to propagate throughout the ship by being echoed by the crew telepathically?

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Since the bridge is usually fully staffed in near-combat situations in disputed territories anyway, it may well be that any alarm will not sound on the bridge.
It would be rather distracting for the command chain to be drowned by claxons and flashing lights.

Yes, Star Trek gives you the impression an audiovisible alarm on the bridge, where everyone knows what is happening and everyone heard the original command of "code red" anyway, is a necessity.
But Star Trek necessities are more according to drama than real-life requirements.
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Krulle wrote:Since the bridge is usually fully staffed in near-combat situations in disputed territories anyway, it may well be that any alarm will not sound on the bridge.
It would be rather distracting for the command chain to be drowned by claxons and flashing lights.

Yes, Star Trek gives you the impression an audiovisible alarm on the bridge, where everyone knows what is happening and everyone heard the original command of "code red" anyway, is a necessity.
But Star Trek necessities are more according to drama than real-life requirements.
I wouldn't expect a constant sounding alert, but changing the lighting color/turning on some alert lights that aren't bright enough to change the color mood and draw attention without drawing too much attention shouldn't be hard, I would think.

Also, the lights in the corridor didn't change when Fireblade and Beryl dragged Alex out.

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I assume Tempest is "at quick" anyway, they are in disputed territories just after a battle anyway.
It may well be that we never saw Tempest in a non-combat situation.
So, why would the corridor show any changes?
Why would any room show any change?
It still is an "all battlestations manned!" situation, as it was before.

The command "at quick" may therefore just relate to "get everything ready for a quick departure - call in any EVA teams still combing the Bellarmine - secure all cargo". Like increasing "code red" to "code red with imminent incoming enemy fire".

On the bridge, in the moment of possible impacts/enemy contact, you DO NOT WANT any distractions like a one-time red flash, a change of light colour, an audible alarm. You want to hear the commander tell you what to do, and you want the commander to be able to hear/read all relevant information without getting distracted. From whomever delivers the information (tactical analyst, sensor technician, automatic computer-raised alarm, ...).
No, on the bridge, any information must remain flowing free from any distraction.
And even a one-time light flash is a distraction.
Audible alarms more so, as they even prevent you from giving/listening to information/commands.
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Is the rank of Torrai Mallas intentionally absent, or is its absence from the table of ranks an oversight? Torrai seems to be the "Command path" Caste, but you can have Soroin Mallas/Torret and Tenoin Mallas, so there's some overlap there.

It seems odd to me that in the "Command Path," the first rank, Torrai Sorimi ("Adjutant,") is listed as equivalent to an 04 Lt. Commander, and it skips straight from there to Torrai Torret ("Captain") equivalent to 06 Captain.


Basically, I was wondering, if Tempo were to be shifted to the Command path, would she be effectively demoted by going from Mizol Parat to Torrai Sorimi (05 Commander to 04 Lt. Commander,) would she be by necessity promoted to Torrai Torret (06 Captain,) or is there a Torrai Mallas (05 Commander) that she could sidegrade to.

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Is the rank of Torrai Mallas intentionally absent, or is its absence from the table of ranks an oversight? Torrai seems to be the "Command path" Caste, but you can have Soroin Mallas/Torret and Tenoin Mallas, so there's some overlap there.

It seems odd to me that in the "Command Path," the first rank, Torrai Sorimi ("Adjutant,") is listed as equivalent to an 04 Lt. Commander, and it skips straight from there to Torrai Torret ("Captain") equivalent to 06 Captain.


Basically, I was wondering, if Tempo were to be shifted to the Command path, would she be effectively demoted by going from Mizol Parat to Torrai Sorimi (05 Commander to 04 Lt. Commander,) would she be by necessity promoted to Torrai Torret (06 Captain,) or is there a Torrai Mallas (05 Commander) that she could sidegrade to.
I think that the Torrai Sorimi is the initial Torrai rank for those warriors who don't have true command experience but are slated to ascend for a variety of reasons (political connections, battlefield and other achievements). Them being rendered Adjutants serves both the purpose of ascending to Torrai and putting them in a position where they don't actually command but they are close enough to the decision makers so they can learn from them.

Soroin and Tenoin Mallas/Torret should count as command positions and as such they should go straight to Torrai Torret when they do ascend to the Torrai caste.

EDIT: Like the 3rd Lieutenant or equivalent Rank that several military branches use throughout the world. They are officers and they do have the authority to assume command if no one higher is around but they are trainees and glorified go getters for those above them.

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Did Razorthorn get demoted between her first appearance and when we see her on the bridge? Her trim is notably blue in medbay, but on the bridge panels in which she appears, her glowing trim appears bright white, as if she had been demoted from Teidar Ragan to Teidar.
Some time ago Razorthorn's rank was retconned, but I missed a few of the panels she was in. They should all be fixed now (a browser hard-refresh may be necessary to see the updated images).
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Also, the port-side bridge guard is absent from the wide-angle shot on Page 52, but appears in the wide shot on Page 61. Maybe she snuck in while the camera was looking at someone else? :)
Between pages 75 and 76 I increased the output size of the page images from 600 to 800 pixels wide; this meant going back through all 75 previous pages and proportionally reducing the size of the speech bubbles (and rearranging them accordingly). In many cases this exposed flaws or unfinished elements in the areas that had previously been covered up by the larger speech bubbles, which then had to be fixed. The missing second guard on page 52 is one such element that wasn't drawn initially because it was covered up by a speech bubble.

We can imagine that the guards move around periodically, and she happened to not be standing there at that particular moment. :D
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:How are Loroi vessels' crews' called to action?
Some commands have an audio/visual announcement or klaxon, and some are relayed telepathically. Tempest was already at general quarters when Alex & Co. entered the hallways. Forest's verbal call of "At quick for action!" is part ritual and part for the benefit of the audio logs; it's not a command, but an announcement that they are about to engage the enemy.
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Is the rank of Torrai Mallas intentionally absent, or is its absence from the table of ranks an oversight? Torrai seems to be the "Command path" Caste, but you can have Soroin Mallas/Torret and Tenoin Mallas, so there's some overlap there.

It seems odd to me that in the "Command Path," the first rank, Torrai Sorimi ("Adjutant,") is listed as equivalent to an 04 Lt. Commander, and it skips straight from there to Torrai Torret ("Captain") equivalent to 06 Captain.
Basically what dragoongfa said. A field commander (Torret, Rozerrei or equiv.) that is inducted into the Torrai retains the appropriate title. The Sorimi is an alternate path into the Torrai for administrative types; the command structure needs high-ranking functionaries as well as combat commanders. Sorimi are usually daughters of high-ranking two-word name types, and while it's a prestigious (and comparatively safe) position, they are essentially clerks. A Sorimi is not in line to be promoted to a field command, though she may eventually obtain a higher administrative position (not listed).
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Basically, I was wondering, if Tempo were to be shifted to the Command path, would she be effectively demoted by going from Mizol Parat to Torrai Sorimi (05 Commander to 04 Lt. Commander,) would she be by necessity promoted to Torrai Torret (06 Captain,) or is there a Torrai Mallas (05 Commander) that she could sidegrade to.
A Mizol with Torrai ambitions would usually go in earlier as a Sanzet to a Sorimi, or later as a Torimor to an equivalent O6 administrative rank (not listed).

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Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread

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Arioch wrote:Some time ago Razorthorn's rank was retconned, but I missed a few of the panels she was in. They should all be fixed now (a browser hard-refresh may be necessary to see the updated images).
You missed her left shoulder in panel 1 Page 60. Also, she and her chair both appear to have vanished entirely in panel 2 of that page. She also appears to have vanished from her seat in Page 64. I think there's a speck of her left shoulder glowie visible as white in Page 70 though that could be the console, and she and her chair appear to be missing in panel 2 of Page 76.

Sorry. I hope I'm not being annoying.

Arioch wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Also, the port-side bridge guard is absent from the wide-angle shot on Page 52, but appears in the wide shot on Page 61. Maybe she snuck in while the camera was looking at someone else? :)
Between pages 75 and 76 I increased the output size of the page images from 600 to 800 pixels wide; this meant going back through all 75 previous pages and proportionally reducing the size of the speech bubbles (and rearranging them accordingly). In many cases this exposed flaws or unfinished elements in the areas that had previously been covered up by the larger speech bubbles, which then had to be fixed. The missing second guard on page 52 is one such element that wasn't drawn initially because it was covered up by a speech bubble.

We can imagine that the guards move around periodically, and she happened to not be standing there at that particular moment. :D
For some reason, I imagine she snuck off to the break room for a cuppa tea because the comic was focusing on the MCs in the corridor, but there was a queue and while she was away, the Plot reached the bridge; stranding her and requiring her to sneak back in like Solid Snake, ducking in behind Stillstorm before the doors could even close.

Bridge Guard #2 confirmed for stealth expert? :lol:
Arioch wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:How are Loroi vessels' crews' called to action?
Some commands have an audio/visual announcement or klaxon, and some are relayed telepathically. Tempest was already at general quarters when Alex & Co. entered the hallways. Forest's verbal call of "At quick for action!" is part ritual and part for the benefit of the audio logs; it's not a command, but an announcement that they are about to engage the enemy.
Ahhhh. I got you. So, Loroi ships don't tend to have something like a 'Red Alert' trim that lights up or anything? Fair enough, a call to general quarters is the kind of thing you don't tend to miss unless you're in a coma.
Arioch wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Is the rank of Torrai Mallas intentionally absent, or is its absence from the table of ranks an oversight? Torrai seems to be the "Command path" Caste, but you can have Soroin Mallas/Torret and Tenoin Mallas, so there's some overlap there.

It seems odd to me that in the "Command Path," the first rank, Torrai Sorimi ("Adjutant,") is listed as equivalent to an 04 Lt. Commander, and it skips straight from there to Torrai Torret ("Captain") equivalent to 06 Captain.
Basically what dragoongfa said. A field commander (Torret, Rozerrei or equiv.) that is inducted into the Torrai retains the appropriate title. The Sorimi is an alternate path into the Torrai for administrative types; the command structure needs high-ranking functionaries as well as combat commanders. Sorimi are usually daughters of high-ranking two-word name types, and while it's a prestigious (and comparatively safe) position, they are essentially clerks. A Sorimi is not in line to be promoted to a field command, though she may eventually obtain a higher administrative position (not listed).
Huh. I figured that a shipboard Sorimi would be kind of a command-staff gofer, placed near to the command staff to learn from experience and proximity, given relatively few responsibilities, but potentially on the fast track to Torrai Torret.

Would a Tenoin Mallas who jumps to Torrai be a Torrai Mallas, then? Or would they be promoted to Torrai Torret in the process?

Arioch wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Basically, I was wondering, if Tempo were to be shifted to the Command path, would she be effectively demoted by going from Mizol Parat to Torrai Sorimi (05 Commander to 04 Lt. Commander,) would she be by necessity promoted to Torrai Torret (06 Captain,) or is there a Torrai Mallas (05 Commander) that she could sidegrade to.
A Mizol with Torrai ambitions would usually go in earlier as a Sanzet to a Sorimi, or later as a Torimor to an equivalent O6 administrative rank (not listed).
Hrm.... Okay. But a Mizol wouldn't be moving to a combat command post, unless she makes it all the way to Azerein like Greywind did?

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