Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread

[saint of m]

A strange statement. The space ship is easier to heat than the other way around. In such circumstances, to maintain a lower temperature will conversely require great effort.

Tamri is correct. Once you have insulated your ship against outside temperatures, getting rid of heat generated inside is the big concern. If you want it cool, you have to run your heat exchangers harder.

Wouldn't that make you a target though? I know I mostly working on Mass Effect Science here, but space is not very insulated, so a sudden increase in heat in a particular area might get the sensors or no?

[Tamri]

Wouldn't that make you a target though? I know I mostly working on Mass Effect Science here, but space is not very insulated, so a sudden increase in heat in a particular area might get the sensors or no?

The problem is that the ship suspended in a vacuum it's an insulated system and in closed system entropy can only increase. The ship is constantly heated at least by the crew and by the working of the filling. A reset this heat is possible only emitting. That is why the ship is easier to heat than the freeze - there is always a warm and to cool it must be quickly reset.

[dragoongfa]

Actually artificial heating is needed after a certain amount of time, one of Apollo 13's issues that nearly proved fatal to the passengers was the lack of heating for their cabin due to the loss of power.

Heating is shed slowly in space but it is shed, it just needs a few days for something to reach noticeably colder temperatures (36C to 0C). Reaching absolute zero temperatures takes a couple of months.

[Tamri]

Actually artificial heating is needed after a certain amount of time, one of Apollo 13's issues that nearly proved fatal to the passengers was the lack of heating for their cabin due to the loss of power.

Heating is shed slowly in space but it is shed, it just needs a few days for something to reach noticeably colder temperatures (36C to 0C). Reaching absolute zero temperatures takes a couple of months.

The problem is scale. Apollo 13 was the count capsule with a low-power electronics and passive energy sources, half de-energized to the same. On the spacecraft in question, the radiation alone engines and reactors without problems can provide impressive positive thermal balance of the entire ship. But there are also powerful electronics, sensors, some elements of the LSS is also good warm all construction. And in combat the mite contribute tools and EWS and JS, and the fact that all of the above begins to operate at full capacity. So freeze on your warship is impossible, where probably the opposite problem.


Artificial heating may need to constructions like the same Apollo: rescue capsule, short-range mosquitoes, shuttles with a minimum of active equipment on board, etc. Not on the normal spaceship.

[Krulle]

Likely you will always need both in a spaceship.
The "thermal roll" is not without reason. With large spaceships that may become unpractical/unwanted, especially when all sensitive sensor arrays are fully extended.

[dragoongfa]

That depends on the heat that is emanated from all of the equipment, anti-matter reactors for example may not produce as much heat as people may expect nor do we have to take for granted how heat producing their electronics are.

A little more than decade or so ago CPUs had the nasty habit of regularly going up to 80 to 100 degrees Celsius when stressed, one could practically bake an egg on an Intel CPU of that time. Now the norm is around 70 when stressed, still hot but far cooler than what it was a few CPU generations ago.

At tech level 11 we have to take into account the possibility of the equipment running cooler than now and thus its background heat radiance may not be enough to provide heat for entire ships. However if there is a heavy heat producer things may be tricky for the life support systems to evenly distribute the heat throughout the ship. As a rule of thumb if it took far more energy to spread the heat around than to vent it and have life support take care of it then spreading the heat throughout the ship is a no go.

Heat dissipation in battle however, that is when things become interesting as weapons have to be cooled 'here and now' in order to remain operational.

[Tamri]

Likely you will always need both in a spaceship.
The "thermal roll" is not without reason. With large spaceships that may become unpractical/unwanted, especially when all sensitive sensor arrays are fully extended.

Ships emit not only the IR so simply reduce heat radiation not enough for stealth. Not to mention the fact that the RD just can not be unnoticed.

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That depends on the heat that is emanated from all of the equipment, anti-matter reactors for example may not produce as much heat as people may expect nor do we have to take for granted how heat producing their electronics are.

A little more than decade or so ago CPUs had the nasty habit of regularly going up to 80 to 100 degrees Celsius when stressed, one could practically bake an egg on an Intel CPU of that time. Now the norm is around 70 when stressed, still hot but far cooler than what it was a few CPU generations ago.

At tech level 11 we have to take into account the possibility of the equipment running cooler than now and thus its background heat radiance may not be enough to provide heat for entire ships. However if there is a heavy heat producer things may be tricky for the life support systems to evenly distribute the heat throughout the ship. As a rule of thumb if it took far more energy to spread the heat around than to vent it and have life support take care of it then spreading the heat throughout the ship is a no go.

Heat dissipation in battle however, that is when things become interesting as weapons have to be cooled 'here and now' in order to remain operational.

I consider. But positive thermal balance will be in any case, and a considerable one. Even the most efficient and ergonomic equipment anyway increases the entropy. Annihilation reactors even in my view, and will be less fusion, but unlike them, they give powerful gamma, rather than the average alpha-beta-gamma. A penetrating radiation in addition to the ionization of casing is also very good it warms. Unless we find a completely new type of electronics, power tools necessary anyway be seriously warm. Even the stable heat of 40-50 degrees the whole structure will quickly lead to the need for somewhere to dump surpluses, because to avoid overheating of a particular device, ie cooling, needed is the temperature difference, and when we have fifty strong heat sources on the ship 500-700 meters in length with a warm-blooded crew 500-2000 - warm-up ship for uncomfortable temperatures will require not too much time.

This isn't to mention the fact that all of the above at the Loroi obviously not.

[icekatze]

hi hi

The reason why CPUs have gone down in temperature when stressed is really because of better case design and airflow. If you put a modern CPU in a decade old case, like I do, you will see it reaching up to 90+ celsius when stressed all the same, and then it doesn't go higher because it throttles itself.

The Apollo Command/Service Module had 2, 30 square foot environmental control radiators, and 8 electrical power system radiators to dump waste heat from the cabin, which on Apollo 13 became a problem when the spacecraft stopped generating power, but still had the radiators.

Now, I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall hearing that the Loroi can dump waste heat into their exhaust when under power, so it is not necessarily a huge problem during battle at least.

[Suederwind]

How hard is it for a psychokinetic Loroi to her (or his) powers under control in situations of stress (like pain, etc...)?
Would it be, for example, dangerous for other Loroi close by, if someone as powerfull as Fireblade had nighmares?

Do farseers also monitor their own population or only enemy forces?
Can they approximately say how many Loroi or aliens are on a ship/fleet/planet or can they just say something like "large enemy forces in the next system"?

Will Alex meet a Farseer someday?

[Arioch]

How hard is it for a psychokinetic Loroi to her (or his) powers under control in situations of stress (like pain, etc...)?
Would it be, for example, dangerous for other Loroi close by, if someone as powerfull as Fireblade had nighmares?

Depends on the individual. Most Teidar are well-trained in mental discipline, but it is possible to lose control.

Do farseers also monitor their own population or only enemy forces?

There is a subdivision of the philosopher order (Nedatan Timadi) with farseer-like abilities who monitor their own populations.

Can they approximately say how many Loroi or aliens are on a ship/fleet/planet or can they just say something like "large enemy forces in the next system"?

Mostly the latter.

Will Alex meet a Farseer someday?

Yes.

[Tamri]

What is the maximum detection range is thinking for the average Loroi / Farseer? Detection somehow correlated with mental activity detectable or it does not depend on?

Establishment of wide channel requires just a touch, or simply need very close to bring the limb?

For the expansion of suggested Loroi detection range using technics or medicament's? Or the one and the other? Did Loroi projects implant versions amplifiers, neuro-contacts and shunts for direct connection to a computer? How they have developed implants, bionics and how widely it use? If not, the matter is that the tradition or mentality?

[Rookie17]

Ok, so I finally have a question to ask: what's the written symbol for talent? What it looks like?

[Arioch]

What is the maximum detection range is thinking for the average Loroi / Farseer? Detection somehow correlated with mental activity detectable or it does not depend on?

The range of signature detection varies greatly depending on the sensitivity of the individual Loroi telepathy and whether that sensitivity is being amplified with mechanical devices or drugs. Detecting the mind of another sending telepathy is automatic within the range of the sender's message, but if the target is not actively sending, then for most unaugmented Loroi a purely passive detection normally has a range of only a few meters. Non-telepathic mental activity (thinking hard vs. being unconscious) does not have a significant impact on detection range.

Establishment of wide channel requires just a touch, or simply need very close to bring the limb?

It's a continuum rather than a binary on/off connection. The bandwidth of a telepathic connection increases as the participants move closer together; it increases with physical contact (even through clothing or armor), and is at maximum when there is skin-to-skin contact.

For the expansion of suggested Loroi detection range using technics or medicament's? Or the one and the other? Did Loroi projects implant versions amplifiers, neuro-contacts and shunts for direct connection to a computer? How they have developed implants, bionics and how widely it use? If not, the matter is that the tradition or mentality?

I won't go into the details (as this is something that will be addressed in the story), but as I mentioned, the farseers use both hardware amplification and drugs to increase their range and sensitivity.

Ok, so I finally have a question to ask: what's the written symbol for talent? What it looks like?

It's the abbreviation "MZ" (the Trade word for "talent" is mozé).

[raistlin34]

Will Alex meet a Farseer someday?

Yes.

I wonder how disturbing would be the encounter for the Farseer, to have an almost-loroi looking alien just in front of her yet being unable to sense it.

[Tamri]

The range of signature detection varies greatly depending on the sensitivity of the individual Loroi telepathy and whether that sensitivity is being amplified with mechanical devices or drugs. Detecting the mind of another sending telepathy is automatic within the range of the sender's message, but if the target is not actively sending, then for most unaugmented Loroi a purely passive detection normally has a range of only a few meters. Non-telepathic mental activity (thinking hard vs. being unconscious) does not have a significant impact on detection range.

Hmm, it turns out, a passive detection distance from Loroi that psionics, that psychokinesis (electrokinesis, Pyrokinesis, etc.) doesn't exceed five-ten meters?

[Arioch]

The range of signature detection varies greatly depending on the sensitivity of the individual Loroi telepathy and whether that sensitivity is being amplified with mechanical devices or drugs. Detecting the mind of another sending telepathy is automatic within the range of the sender's message, but if the target is not actively sending, then for most unaugmented Loroi a purely passive detection normally has a range of only a few meters. Non-telepathic mental activity (thinking hard vs. being unconscious) does not have a significant impact on detection range.

Hmm, it turns out, a passive detection distance from Loroi that psionics, that psychokinesis (electrokinesis, Pyrokinesis, etc.) doesn't exceed five-ten meters?

Some Loroi can sense psychokinesis in operation, but this is completely separate from detection of a telepathic signature.

[icekatze]

hi hi

Makes me wonder how far away humans can detect telepathic activity. Alex had some sort of reaction while he was being forcefully interrogated, after all.

[cacambo43]

hi hi

Makes me wonder how far away humans can detect telepathic activity. Alex had some sort of reaction while he was being forcefully interrogated, after all.

I thought Arioch clarified that was due to telekinetic manipulation, not telepathy.

CJSF

[dragoongfa]

hi hi

Makes me wonder how far away humans can detect telepathic activity. Alex had some sort of reaction while he was being forcefully interrogated, after all.

I thought Arioch clarified that was due to telekinetic manipulation, not telepathy.

CJSF

His inability to breath and move was telekinetic, something akin to be held down while waterboarded. It is also obvious that the Teidar were also trying to telepathically overwhelm Alex as he panicked but they didn't get anything out of him even as he blacked out.

[Hālian]

It's the abbreviation "MZ" (the Trade word for "talent" is mozé).

Perhaps an M-Z ligature, like, say, this?