Reply to topic  [ 3017 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 121  Next
Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread 
Author Message
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:28 pm
Posts: 657
Location: Central Florida
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Arioch wrote:
...unless Alex brought some with him (he didn't).


He's from Cali, pot capital of the known universe, and he doesn't have any? :P

_________________
Hoenn


Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:04 am
Profile WWW

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:46 am
Posts: 122
Location: Czech Rep., European Union
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
CJ Miller wrote:
He's from Cali, pot capital of the known universe, and he doesn't have any? :P


Beryl: "Captain Jardin, we've found these little bags containing green plant material in the wreckage of your vessel. There is something written on them in the script of your dialect, could you please translate?"
Quote:
This stuff is MINE so don't even THINK about it! -Alex

Alex: "Um, it's a form of... ehm, food seasoning."
Beryl: "I am not yet completely familiar with your language, but this word written there seems to be your name, am I correct?"
Alex: "Um, yes, I mean, maybe, the handwriting is terrible..."
Beryl: "Are you in distress, Captain Jardin? Your face is changing colour."

;)


Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:47 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:18 pm
Posts: 57
Location: Toyama, Japan
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
I have been surprised by one thing. Loroi population, if I go along what I can infer from the Insider's guide, isn't much more than 2 billion people, 3 billion top. Their main sister planet barely reaches 1 billion. I compare that to present Earth, which probably crossed the 7 billion mark by now. And we are on a single planet. Something in there explaining why Loroi are so small in terms of total population, despite ruling the second largest State in the vincinity?

_________________
la nɔtʀʏltsɪmœ ʀɛv, dɛ ʒã puʀ la pʀɔtɛʒe
nu vœnõ dõkœ dœ tupaʀtu, puʀ ɛtʀœ sa ɡʀãdaʀme
dœ la site pʀɔtɛktœʀ, dœ sœ ʀɛvœ defãsœʀ
ynjõ dœ la fɔʀsœ dœ tus, nu vwasijalɔʀ lɛzɔʀiɔnɪt

- The Chant of A Certain Army


Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:54 am
Profile
Moderator

Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:02 am
Posts: 927
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
The Loroi are somewhere between 50 and 100 billion.

Humans in the story are at about 25 billion.

EDIT:
Arioch wrote:
I don't have much in the way of hard Loroi population figures. Checking my notes, the three Loroi splinter worlds had a combined population of about 1.25 billion in 850 CE, at the time of rediscovery of starflight. I had made a note that Perrein's population had only increased from 200 million to 500 million since then, but that this was unusual, and also that the most populous Loroi planet was Maia. Most Loroi worlds would probably have populations much small than that of Earth, but Loroi territory is perhaps ten times as large. I would guess at a figure somewhere in the neighborhood to 50 to 100 billion. With high birth rates and appalling casualty rates, the number could fluctuate a lot.


Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:59 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:31 am
Posts: 581
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Trantor wrote:
Hm, it´s the LOROI q&a-thread, but one question on the Barsam:

Please tell me that for their appearance you weren´t inspired by this:

ImageImage


Good one. :lol:

_________________
Image


Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:49 am
Profile

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:46 am
Posts: 122
Location: Czech Rep., European Union
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
fredgiblet wrote:
The Loroi are somewhere between 50 and 100 billion.

Humans in the story are at about 25 billion.

EDIT:
Arioch wrote:
I don't have much in the way of hard Loroi population figures. Checking my notes, the three Loroi splinter worlds had a combined population of about 1.25 billion in 850 CE, at the time of rediscovery of starflight. I had made a note that Perrein's population had only increased from 200 million to 500 million since then, but that this was unusual, and also that the most populous Loroi planet was Maia. Most Loroi worlds would probably have populations much small than that of Earth, but Loroi territory is perhaps ten times as large. I would guess at a figure somewhere in the neighborhood to 50 to 100 billion. With high birth rates and appalling casualty rates, the number could fluctuate a lot.


Actually, this is something I don't understand - why should the Loroi suffer so high casualties that they need to lift population restrictions on their worlds?

If their population counts in tens of billions (regardless of whether it's close to 50 or 100 billion), I don't understand how could even the loss of their entire fleet worth of warriors each year even make a dent in this (barring the Umiak glassing their worlds in consequence, of course). Arioch stated that the number of ships in the Loroi fleet is "in thousands". I don't know what their crew complements are, but for the sake of the argument let's say an average Loroi ship has a crew of 1000 and that there are ten thousand ships in the fleet. This would put the number of Loroi warriors serving in the fleet at 10 million. Ok, so let's say you need 10 times the number if you include the support personnel - so it's now around 100 million Loroi serving in the fleet. That's still only something between 0.2 and 0.1 per cent of the overall Loroi population. Since about half of their people belong to the warrior castes, that's about 0.4 and 0.2 per cent respectively of the manpower available to the military. (By contrast, about 1% of Americans serve in the military/are in military reserve.)

Now, of course the Loroi aren't losing the whole fleet each year, so the the losses may be as low as, say, 0.04 per cent of the available manpower per year. That's nothing, it should be easily replaceable even without lifting population control limits. It seems to me that losses of ships, and thus of the invested industrial capacity, would be far, FAR, more problematic than the manpower losses. AFAIK, ground combat at this stage in the war is pretty rare, so it cannot account for the "missing" casualties.

So, is this an inconsistency in the story, or is there any other explanation for it that I've missed?


Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:08 am
Profile

Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:55 pm
Posts: 746
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Just some minor questions after rereading the comic:
On page 88, Stillstorm says that she recognise the odd patterns of the Umiak Commander. What patterns did she meant and how could she recognise them, if communication between Umiak and Loroi forces is something unusual?

_________________
Forum RP: Cydonia Rising
[RP]Cydonia Rising [IC]


Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:32 am
Profile

Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:11 am
Posts: 210
Location: Sweden
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Suederwind wrote:
Just some minor questions after rereading the comic:
On page 88, Stillstorm says that she recognise the odd patterns of the Umiak Commander. What patterns did she meant and how could she recognise them, if communication between Umiak and Loroi forces is something unusual?



Oh oh let me guess :D .

Allright i think she is referring to the umiaks selfpreservational habits. Most umiak are rather uncaring of their own health or life so it's unusual for an umiak to deliberately seek to preserve losses and it's own life. The stray's (which it is called) tactics are from what i see more or less based on deception than brute force and numbers (not that it doesn't use them too). The stray's decision of withholding it's major force and rather test the defenders strength to better access the situation could be what she's meaning.

_________________
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. General C.H Melchett commander of some unknown british regiment in the western front.


Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:10 am
Profile

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:46 am
Posts: 122
Location: Czech Rep., European Union
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
BTW, was Kikitik-27 really offering to spare Stillstorm and her crew, or was it just a jest on his part?


Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:29 am
Profile

Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:55 pm
Posts: 746
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Quote:
Oh oh let me guess :D .


Oh dear, I think I was a little lost in translation on this one. :lol:
I thought she was talking about the patterns of his ship or the "chitin" plates of his body. But his unusual tactics make much more sense as an explanation.

_________________
Forum RP: Cydonia Rising
[RP]Cydonia Rising [IC]


Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:13 am
Profile

Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:11 am
Posts: 210
Location: Sweden
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Victor_D wrote:
BTW, was Kikitik-27 really offering to spare Stillstorm and her crew, or was it just a jest on his part?


I believe the politically correct term is it.

I think there is two possibilities here.

1) It is serious because it's people have discovered the ability to obstruct and damp telepathy not only on themselves but on others as well. This means that it may have had the intentions of letting the loroi surrender in order to hold her up as a trophy. Just imagine the prestige of bringing the storm-witch to empire in chains.

2) It's just trying to lure them in a false sense of security (deception). It may be trying to use the loroi's inability to sense it's intentions and mental fatigue to get them to power down and hopefully step away from what they are guarding.

Suederwind wrote:
Quote:
Oh oh let me guess :D .


Oh dear, I think I was a little lost in translation on this one. :lol:
I thought she was talking about the patterns of his ship or the "chitin" plates of his body. But his unusual tactics make much more sense as an explanation.


Ah now that you mention it maybe i should read more carefully in the future :) . Either way my guess still stands.

_________________
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. General C.H Melchett commander of some unknown british regiment in the western front.


Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:41 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:03 am
Posts: 785
Location: Quebec, Canada
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Arioch wrote:
Trantor wrote:
Please tell me that for their appearance you weren´t inspired by this:

I wasn't inspired by that.

The "big noseless aliens" unfortunately mostly look very similar.


It more than just the physical resemblance,

Space Preachers !!!


Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:56 pm
Profile WWW
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:19 pm
Posts: 2308
Location: San Jose, CA
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Yiuel wrote:
I have been surprised by one thing. Loroi population, if I go along what I can infer from the Insider's guide, isn't much more than 2 billion people, 3 billion top. Their main sister planet barely reaches 1 billion. I compare that to present Earth, which probably crossed the 7 billion mark by now. And we are on a single planet. Something in there explaining why Loroi are so small in terms of total population, despite ruling the second largest State in the vincinity?

The Loroi have significant populations on a large number of planets, more than just the original Sister Worlds, so the total population is a lot more than just a few billion. Maia is the most populous Loroi world. I don't have accurate numbers on what the total population is, but it's sigificantly larger than the total human population.

The reason that most individual Loroi planets don't have populations much higher than a few billion is that they choose not to. Loroi population growth is under tight government control; you have to get permission to have children. Individual communities decide what they think is an appropriate maximum population for the area, and then they set a cap. It's only in places like Maia where the social rules and ample space/resources allow for much larger populations.

Victor_D wrote:
Actually, this is something I don't understand - why should the Loroi suffer so high casualties that they need to lift population restrictions on their worlds?

The first part of the answer is that high-tech societes are specialized; it's not easy to just grab a person from one role and toss her into someone else's role. For one thing, many jobs require years of training, and for another: who's now doing that person's old job? Combat personnel are usually a small percentage of the total population (especially in any high-tech system that requires a lot of logistics and support, like air forces and navies), but they're highly specialized and can't easily be replaced, so even when the loss rates are small compared to the total population, they can still cause serious manpower shortages and disruptions to society.

If you look at the casualty rates for WWII, which was the bloodiest war in our history, the actual percentages of loss are very small compared to the total population. Japan's disastrous losses amounted to only about 4% of the population, but they suffered from debilitating manpower shortages, especially in key areas. One key shortage I heard about was in pilots; prior to the war, the Japanese placed rigorous standards on their pilot training, and washed out large numbers of capable pilots who didn't measure up. So the result was an elite pilot corps, but very little manpower reserve, and a system that would make training more to the same standard very difficult and time-consuming. And so, when the Japanese lost a significant percentage of their best pilots at Coral Sea and Midway, this was a blow from which they were not able to recover. When the critical "big" air battles came a few years later at the Marianas and Philippines, the majority of Japanese pilots were hastily-trained replacements who were no match for their American counterparts, and the result is still remembered as a "turkey-shoot."

The Loroi had a much larger personnel reserve, but they have a similar challenge in that warriors are not recruited from civilian populations, but instead trained from a young age. It's possible to throw some desk jockeys or even civilians into needed specialties in a pinch, but that replacement is going to operate at reduced effectiveness, and the job that person used to perform prior to being reassigned will not get done. When a military loses a third of its combat forces in a single battle, that's going to present very serious personnel challenges, even if those losses represent a relatively small percentage of the total population.

The second part of answer is that the Loroi have lost a lot more than just ship crews. In the first five years of the war, the Loroi lost about a dozen inhabited systems and suffered raids directly into populated regions; the majority of the population in the lost systems were evacuated beforehand, but the loss of life was still staggering. Looking again at the WWII loss rates, even in those situations with the most appalling losses and incidents of genocide, the worst percentages of loss are "only" in the neighborhood of 16% (Poland) to 14% (Soviet Union). The loss of ten percent of your population is devastating to a modern society, especially during time of war. It's really hard to field new forces and increase production at home when you have fewer people.

I would agree that losses of ships and materiel are probably more of a crisis than the manpower shortages, but ships can be replaced on a much shorter time scale than people.

Karst45 wrote:
It more than just the physical resemblance, Space Preachers !!!

Ah, I missed that element of it. Funny.

_________________
Outsider


Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:08 pm
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:17 pm
Posts: 49
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Some questions,

1) Has Alex so far convinced the Loroi he is totally not a psychic? If not will he ever convince them or will cognitive bias prevail?

2) If he fails to convince them otherwise that Humanity is not a psychic race would they be pretty miffed about the one race that could communicate to them on a meaningful level the same way as them (from their perspective anyways, regardless of how true that belief is) borderline shutting them out and rejecting them at virtually any and all circumstances? To clarifiy I don't mean exclusively politics alone but ALL circumstances.

3) Lastly, cause I don't think this was answered but how about pets? They all up and upon the idea of house pets? Or does this vary?


Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:00 am
Profile
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:19 pm
Posts: 2308
Location: San Jose, CA
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Loroi inhabit a variety of different worlds, and so they may have a variety of different pets. On many of the major Loroi worlds such as Deinar, Taben and Maia, the higher animals are almost all decended from Soia-Liron livestock, so there aren't many social predators from which to choose true companion-like pets (like dogs and cats). Probably the most common pet is one of a variety of miros, which is an omnivorous forager similar to a pig. Perrein has a wealth of highly-developed native animals and the local Loroi have a tradition of handling them, but they are mostly potentially lethal and not very cuddly (bugs, worms, tree-climbing squid-things).

I think a Terran merchant with a concession selling kittens in Loroi territory would quickly become a very popular guy.

As to the other questions, I think it's best not to short-circuit the story by commenting on what the Loroi really think about Alex or what they're going to do in the future.

_________________
Outsider


Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:29 pm
Profile WWW

Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:42 am
Posts: 155
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Arioch wrote:
I think a Terran merchant with a concession selling kittens in Loroi territory would quickly become a very popular guy.



Bah...now we need artwork of Loroi with kittens. Kittens might even get Fireblade to smile.


Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:36 pm
Profile
Moderator

Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:02 am
Posts: 927
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Arioch wrote:
Perrein has a wealth of highly-developed native animals and the local Loroi have a tradition of handling them, but they are mostly potentially lethal and not very cuddly (bugs, worms, tree-climbing squid-things).


I want a tree-climbing squid-thing! *pouts*

Quote:
I think a Terran merchant with a concession selling kittens in Loroi territory would quickly become a very popular guy.


Our true value to the Loroi has been revealed! Unfortunately cats are telepathic as well and the Feline-Loroi alliance will be our downfall, we should have given them more tuna.


Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:22 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:17 pm
Posts: 49
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
You peaked my interest, so some more questions.

So I presume that Loroi would love Cats cause their cuddly ok, but what about Dogs? They've got the utility and are cuddly although a diffirent kind after they grow up. (Or do I have to bombard you with images of puppies?) Would they take a liking to Horses or Birds too or just the felines?

View of Zombies? Cause I always wondered since your comment of Loroi impressions of human media being very confusing documentaries.

Also, these pet questions also extend to the "Space Preachers".

Lastly, would the Historians be interested in our whales?


Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:30 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:52 am
Posts: 780
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
fredgiblet wrote:
I want a tree-climbing squid-thing! *pouts*

Something between a Facehugger and a Squirrel?

fredgiblet wrote:
Unfortunately cats are telepathic as well and the Feline-Loroi alliance will be our downfall, we should have given them more tuna.

Salmon, at least.



JQBogus wrote:
Bah...now we need artwork of Loroi with kittens.

LOLoi cats? :D



Imbrooge wrote:
Lastly, would the Historians be interested in our whales?

Where´s Spock when you need him? :D



:arrow: Edit: Chocolate, and now cats, our position gets better and better!

_________________
sapere aude.


Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:56 pm
Profile
Moderator

Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:02 am
Posts: 927
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Do the Loroi have a word for "cute"?


Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:23 pm
Profile
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:19 pm
Posts: 2308
Location: San Jose, CA
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
fredgiblet wrote:
Unfortunately cats are telepathic as well and the Feline-Loroi alliance will be our downfall, we should have given them more tuna.

Cat: "You had your chance, human scum."

All lies, of course. The cats would have turned on us no matter how much tuna we'd given them.

Imbrooge wrote:
You peaked my interest, so some more questions.

Interest is usually "piqued," by the way, not "peaked." I'm here to help. :D

Imbrooge wrote:
So I presume that Loroi would love Cats cause their cuddly ok, but what about Dogs? They've got the utility and are cuddly although a diffirent kind after they grow up. (Or do I have to bombard you with images of puppies?) Would they take a liking to Horses or Birds too or just the felines?

The puppy vendor would probably do well until the Loroi realized that there was no way to prevent them from pooping everywhere. Somewhere some Loroi hunter-gatherers will say, "Damn! Wish we'd had these things ten thousand years ago!" But I'm still putting my money in Loroi kitten futures.

I don't normally think of birds and lizards and fish and other animals that must be kept in cages or under glass as "pets" but more like "zoo specimens." I suppose there are pretty smart birds that qualify as true pets and can talk... imagine how much the Loroi would appreciate that.

Imbrooge wrote:
View of Zombies? Cause I always wondered since your comment of Loroi impressions of human media being very confusing documentaries.

I think the more fantastic stories would be less confusing to the Loroi than the more realistic ones, partly because they resemble myth, and partly because they're obviously not true. Specifically, there is something like undead in Loroi myth (melor). Rather, things like romantic comedies would mystify them.
Loroi: "Why was the story of the mating ritual of this 'Annie Hall' notable? Did it somehow impact her later historical achievements?"
Human: "Uh, no... Annie Hall isn't a real person. This is just a story about relationships."
Loroi: "WHAT?!? Why did you make me watch this?!?"

Imbrooge wrote:
Also, these pet questions also extend to the "Space Preachers".

Barsam will like kittens too. Rhinos would be too expensive to transport.

Imbrooge wrote:
Lastly, would the Historians be interested in our whales?

Not particularly. The Historians are protecting the Pol for reasons of their own, but not because they're Greenpeace members.

fredgiblet wrote:
Do the Loroi have a word for "cute"?

Certainly more than one. (None in the lexicon at the moment.)

_________________
Outsider


Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:50 pm
Profile WWW
Moderator

Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:02 am
Posts: 927
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Arioch wrote:
fredgiblet wrote:
Unfortunately cats are telepathic as well and the Feline-Loroi alliance will be our downfall, we should have given them more tuna.

Cat: "You had your chance, human scum."

All lies, of course. The cats would have turned on us no matter how much tuna we'd given them.


Our only defense is to develop our latent TK powers so we can perform ranged belly-rubs.

Quote:
I think the more fantastic stories would be less confusing to the Loroi than the more realistic ones, partly because they resemble myth, and partly because they're obviously not true. In specifically, there is something like undead in Loroi myth (melor). Rather, things like romantic comedies would mystify them.
Loroi: "Why was the story of the mating ritual of this 'Annie Hall' notable? Did it somehow impact her later historical achievements?"
Human: "Uh, no... Annie Hall isn't a real person. This is just a story about relationships."
Loroi: "WHAT?!? Why did you make me watch this?!?"


I would love to be part of a team that just shows Loroi movies and asks their thoughts on them. Especially something like a Bollywood action movie where they go from a firefight to a dance number.


Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:15 am
Profile

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:46 am
Posts: 122
Location: Czech Rep., European Union
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Arioch wrote:
I think a Terran merchant with a concession selling kittens in Loroi territory would quickly become a very popular guy.


Oi.

And in a few million years, long after the fall of the current civilization in the Local Bubble, a species of cat-people will claim to have been descended from the true Loroterrans, the mythical masters of the last Empire.

;)

---

Semi-seriously now, I'd say the relationship between humans and dogs has at least some genetic component now. We've probably co-evolved for at least several tens of thousands of years.


Last edited by Victor_D on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:05 am, edited 1 time in total.



Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:00 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:10 am
Posts: 36
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
have them watch all the James Bond movies

"... he kills so many people... he's 4 different people... those are some impressive super weapons you have built in the past"


Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:02 am
Profile

Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:42 am
Posts: 155
Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
Arioch wrote:
I suppose there are pretty smart birds that can talk... imagine how much the Loroi would appreciate that.



A trade speaking parrot is obviously a wonderful, non-refusable, non-disposable, diplomatic thank you gift from Captain/Ambassador Jardin to his first host, Stillstorm...


Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:32 am
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 3017 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 121  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Dorfington, dragoongfa and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware for PTF.