Agreed.discord wrote:karst: nothing that i know of puts us 'close to soia', what we are is the template they created the loroi from.
and those things some would like from us because of this is simply existing, since it proves the loroi are not soia themselves....which will piss off some loroi.
I'm thinking of shady dealings aswell . We could give the Arekka and Mannandi the possibility of setting up new colonies near human space, away from Loroi scrutiny (no idea how we could get the settlers here though, without the Space Smurfs finding out). The Nissek are more problematic: we don't have anything they want (maybe some fine earth cuisine? stuff they don't have? chocolate? burgers? human meals, as intriguing as it sounds, are a bit too gruesome for this story). The Historians BARELY gave the Loroi some tech, and that's only due to existential threat. Also their tech was way too advanced for the Loroi, let alone the humans.Karst45 wrote:If SF show told me something is that in a way to gain superior power, shaddy people would do anything.Mr.Tucker wrote:2) what could the TCA give them in return
Obviously all while trying to keep the big political actors in the dark.
I agree with the TCA being better off with Umiak tech, however that seems very hard to acquire barring an alliance (slavery). Apart from the Barsam (who don't have too much weapons tech, probably only drive tech), I don't think the weaker-willed Pipolsid and Neridi would offer us any help. And they are ALL under scrutiny (Loroi telepathy, remember?). The Nissek, and Mannandi are more off limits (except maybe the Arekka).Username wrote:laughing my ass off.TrashMan wrote:How will the war end?
Loroi or Umiak will not be pleased with us and they will send a fleet to wipe us out.
Just when all hope seems lost, humanity will come to the revolutionary discovery of tactical jumps. With the ability to jump right behind the enemy fleet, the laughable mass drivers become the most feared weapon in the galaxy, as the entire attacking fleet is obliterated.
Alarmed by this new development, the Loroi and Umiak ally to combat humanity and steamrole over us. Humans secretly send sleep ships with the knowledge of the new drives far way, while the Umiak and Loroi being a new peaceful co-existence...that lasts until the first accidental genocide attempt.
Though it does make one ponder what the application of tactical jump capability would mean in the long term. Would we use it as a bargaining chip for floater drivers or pulse cannons ?
Under the table tech dealing would be the the most beneficial outcome of Alien contact with Humanity. However you overlook one detail about the Mannandi and the Arekka. Both are under extreme scrutiny by the Loroi (as in quarantined and heavily restricted).Mr.Tucker wrote:Ok, i got a nagging idea. Since the Loroi would presumably hesitate to trade technology with the TCA (mistrust and such), and so would the other species of the Union (to not attract the ire of the blue babes), wouldn't it be possible to trade tech with the Nissek or another non-aligned species? (Mannandi, Arekka) . Two problems would be evident:
1) access: their territories are far/inaccessible
2) what could the TCA give them in return
Obviously all while trying to keep the big political actors in the dark.
Humanity's hopes for tech uplifting (barring loroi influence) lie primarily with the historians and maybe the Nissek. However I have no idea what we could possibly give them in return besides Orgus trade routes. I personally think Humaity is better suited with Umiak tech, but that seems to be an unfriendly idea around here.
Some members of the Loroi Alliance might simply help us because of our distinct similarity to the Loroi so as to undermine the Loroi authority.
EDIT: The Loroi don't need to improve our tech, cos we won't be fighting alongside them for a while. It would take too long to assimilate new technologies, then build up our military, and the blue-skins are stretched too thin to just give us new ships. Our positioning is what they'd want as a staging area. Maybe they could up-tech our industry to produce stuff they need like, idk, particle cannon plasma or something. Maybe devote our industry to producing those pesky, short-supply missles they need to even the odds.