Well if you could specify which bits you consider true we can hash this out. As for myself, I see claims such as…Your belief is that the bible as a whole is false.
That is your belief and you defend it with vehemence.
I don't share that belief, nor do I believe that the bible is "the truth".
The bible is a collection of stories, many of them about morale, and how you should behave.
You can learn from that, or not.
Convulsions are signs of demonic possession
Humanity relies upon god for our morality and humans cannot be morale without god.
These views upon the nature of our reality are not only false, but downright harmful toward human development.
Then I respectfully challenge you to find the morally positive equivalent to the extermination and enslavement of the indigenous populations of Africa, Australia, South America, North America, etc in the name of the Christian god. Because I cannot. Furthermore I have mentioned several times previously (and provided a great deal of evidence) that the further away from God you get, the higher quality and quantity of life humans enjoy becomes. Your claims to the contrary must be backed up with evidence Krulle to be valid. Your personal beliefs are not considered to be credible evidence.And while my upbringing was not very Christian, I do believe that in total Christianity brought more good than bad.
You don’t need to observe different universes, you can use this one.But since I cannot observe any universe with the same starting parameters, but without Christianity, I cannot prove whether this is actually true.
Oh no sir, no-no-no I do not. The Christian bible is a bad copy of the Jewish Torah, and the koran is a bad copy of the Christian bible. All religions are, as I see them, fragments of the same greater untruth. I see religion as a whole to be a slowly but surely disappearing leftover from an age of superstition and ignorance. Your and other posts seemed to be focusing on the Christian perspective of reality so I limited myself to that specific theism. If you like we can debate the merits of other religions and their views on reality but I consider them to be just as, if not even more so, untrue.And you, once again, mix the whole bible as being Christianity.
Krulle I mean no disrespect but I find it very poor praise indeed when a person’s greatest praise for their holy text is that the majority of it can be safely ignored.I don't consider the old testament as anything relevant for my beliefs, even more so when JC teached elements which contradict the old testament.
Considering the Christian bible was created after Jesus Christ was reported to have died, it does not count as a credible source in any historical or scientific circle that I am currently aware of. Nor do I consider the teachings of Jesus to be particularly moral, for many reasons, particularly because he never says a word against slavery.The same with many parts of the new testament, as they recount elements which did not come from JC, but from others who spoke in His name, but even went against the teaching of JC.
Yes it does. That may not be your personal view but it is the historical and literal translation of the Christian bible.And no, Christianity does NOT evaluate you solely on your belief and submission to God.
No they aren’t, again that may not be your personal view but it is the historical and literal translation of the Christian bible. There are loopholes written into the bible to excuse even the most grievous of crimes toward your fellow humans. At times grievous harm toward your fellow humans is commanded by holy mandate.Your deeds are more important than your belief.
I respectfully insist that society is not very conservative, or even that society has a conservative majority. If that were the case the American Civil War, the Civil Rights movement, LGBT rights movement etc, would never have occurred, let alone succeeded. Humanity as a whole would not have progressed to a more secular world if conservative elements in our past held all or even most of the power.Society as a whole is very conservative.
I cannot help but feel that you are misinformed concerning Christian philosophy throughout it's history. The entirety of the Christian argument is and has always been that might equals right. The Christian god is and was believed to be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent and that he must be loved and feared in equal measure by his followers at all times. Anyone who disagrees goes straight to eternal damnation and torment. The divine right of kings alone was entirely based upon the philosophy that the super humans who occupied positions of power (the monarchy and the church) were chosen from on high by almighty god to rule over the weak, lesser beings that were everyone else.For a long time this was the law. And it was considered to be much better than not having such a law and having to submit to the law of the stronger.
Well Krulle the problem as I see it is that though some churches have been forced to admit that they have been lying over the last few thousand years, (after a millennia of maintaining the truth of their texts in defiance of mounting evidence to the contrary) a few holdouts continue to maintain that the bible is 100% accurate and the direct word of God. Then they go to developing nations and tell people that condoms are sinful, all LBGTs are demons and that there are women performing witchcraft, all of which results in a significantly decreases quality of life for those people. I hope you can see my problem with this and agree with me that this behavior is not beneficial and is in fact harmful to all parties involved.tl;dr: IMHO the bible is a collection of stories. Even the r.c. church does not take all of it at face-value truth.
No Krulle they are not. You are stating things as true and then not providing any credible evidence to reinforce your claims. I am providing scientificfacts and historical facts backed up by overwhelming amounts of evidence which have been collected by experts in their chosen fields over the course of the last century. I mean tt really doesn’t take much to prove the bible to be inaccurate, the book claims convulsions are signs of demonic possession for goodness sake.- also my last post on this subject; the argumentations are circular by now and based on fundamental beliefs of persons participating - nothing good can come from that –
Please clarify that statement. Because to my mind a god who provides no evidence that he exists and a great deal of evidence that he does not exist, and then damning those who “choose” to not believe in him to eternal torment, does not qualify as a real choice in any meaningful way. Is the choice god presents me whether or not I can believe in him based upon bad evidence? Is that the choice that you are speaking of?And you do have a choice to not believe.
Krulle that is technically true, but you will pardon my mentioning that the r.c. church did spend considerable time, energy and funds developing and deploying a vast number of torture devices to “save the souls” of heretics. So while those who left Christianity have never been struck by lightning bolts (to my knowledge), they have undergone massive persecution and torture at the hands of the faithful.Sufficient converts in any direction have proven that they will not be slain by thunder and lightningbolts just because they seceded from Christianity.
Krulle, Science and Atheism are not systems of belief. One is an extremely useful method for determining what is true and what is false and the other is the rejection of the supernatural. Neither of those systems has anything to do with or requires faith in any way whatsoever.If you are fine with your believe, whether you name it Christianity, Catholicism, Baptism, Jewish, Moslim, Buddhaism, Taoism, Atheism, Science,... it is all fine with me.