Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread

[Krulle]

@Turrosh Mak:
I did understand it as such. But I remembered I saw a Chibi-labelled picture somewhere, so I looked it up and linked it....
Nothing more to that.

And I am looking forward at the backstories to be told.

How many chapters will Outsider have, approximately?

[Arioch]

How many chapters will Outsider have, approximately?

Currently seven, not counting the prologue or epilogue.

[Krulle]

Cool. Thank you.

Looking forward to decades of entertainment! And suspense.

[GeoModder]

Cool. Thank you.

Looking forward to decades of entertainment! And suspense.

Decades?!

[Krulle]

Just simple extrapolation... :p (The cover of Chapter 2 was posted on 1 August 2011... - do your own calculation, even if this chapter is close to be finished, that took 4 years for this chapter alone, and we have 5 more to go, plus epilogue.)

Not that happy about it either, so I hope Arioch is older than me and interested in getting this story done when he goes into pension, and steps up then....

But this is passing into topics I don't know how comfortable this community is with....

Note: you joined this forum 4 years before me. I joined it within a week of having discovered Outsider....
Not noticing time passing is a common thing, but when you do calculations based on some events, you'll have difficulties wrapping your head around how much time...
A month ago I celebrated 20 years final exams with some friends from back then. My father couldn't believe his son is that long out of school. Yet he did notice that he has become a pensioner in the meantime.
My comment: yes dad, you became that old!

[Game Theory]

How similar would Loroi and Human behavior be if Loroi didn't have telepathy.

How similar is human society to non telepathic members of the loroi union.

[Arioch]

How similar would Loroi and Human behavior be if Loroi didn't have telepathy.

Telepathy is integral to Loroi society, so it's hard to say what it would be like without telepathy.

How similar is human society to non telepathic members of the loroi union.

Kind of a broad question, as there are eight non-telepathic races in the Union. Some are more similar to human society than others.

[Sweforce]

Since the loroi are a synthetically created species, it is possible that the soia place them on other worlds then Deinar, Perrein and Taben as well but those populations died out? Are there any remnants that suggest this, like for instance tools fitting very well into a human/loroi hands. May proto loroi separated from the "tree sister worlds", if they existed, be in locations not known by the current loroi empire? Maybe there are and the Umiak found them and they are the force behind the current problem with farseers going blind, who knows. Anyway are there in setting speculations of these things? We have a vivid speculate fiction in our culture I do not know if that exist within the loroi union.

[Arioch]

Since the loroi are a synthetically created species, it is possible that the soia place them on other worlds then Deinar, Perrein and Taben as well but those populations died out? Are there any remnants that suggest this, like for instance tools fitting very well into a human/loroi hands. May proto loroi separated from the "tree sister worlds", if they existed, be in locations not known by the current loroi empire?

The Loroi and their allies have surveyed the worlds of many thousands of star systems, to a degree to able to tell whether there is intelligent life there, but not to the degree to be able to tell whether there are hidden ruins or artifacts there. However, the known area of space is a very small percentage of the galaxy; one small portion of one galactic arm.

The experts of most races would agree that it's very likely that the Soia, their ancestors, or others among their descendants still exist somewhere in the galaxy. Most archaeologists agree that the Dreiman and Soia probably came from farther up the Orion arm, and rumors persist from the Periphery states that advanced civilizations still exist in that region. Unfortunately for Loroi researchers, the Umiak are currently blocking access to those passages out of the local bubble.

Anyway are there in setting speculations of these things? We have a vivid speculate fiction in our culture I do not know if that exist within the loroi union.

The Loroi are not a media culture, and most of what media they do have is non-fiction. The telling of speculative stories is problematic in a culture based on truthful telepathic communication.

[Sweforce]

The Loroi are not a media culture, and most of what media they do have is non-fiction. The telling of speculative stories is problematic in a culture based on truthful telepathic communication.

This is why I mentioned the loroi union, to include the other members as well, not just the loroi. I guess that would place this in the misc races thread but to place them in both is a bit silly. Since the question was about the loroi but included the believes of just about anyone, including the loroi I placed it here. For instance we know that the barsam are suspicions about the loroi even if they are allies.

[Arioch]

This is why I mentioned the loroi union, to include the other members as well, not just the loroi. I guess that would place this in the misc races thread but to place them in both is a bit silly. Since the question was about the loroi but included the believes of just about anyone, including the loroi I placed it here. For instance we know that the barsam are suspicions about the loroi even if they are allies.

I guess I don't understand the question. Let me try again.

The Soia-Liron races are believed by most archaeologists to have been the product of an ancient civilization that spanned well beyond current known space, and so it is considered quite possible, if not probable, that there are as-yet undiscovered remnants of this civilization (or its descendants) waiting to be discovered. However, scientific speculation on this subject is limited by a lack of evidence on which to form a hypothesis. There might be millions of other Soia-Liron enclaves throughout the galaxy, or they might be unique to the Local Bubble.

In terms of the speculation of popular culture, the origin of the Soia-Liron races is really only a subject of interest to the three Soia-Liron races themselves; a typical Delrias citizen, for example, does not spend much time daydreaming about whether or not there are undiscovered Loroi kin somewhere in the galaxy.

As has been mentioned, the Loroi believe they are direct descendants of the Soia, and they have found lost Loroi colonies before, and so would not be surprised to find new ones in the future. Some would be surprised if they didn't ever find more Loroi splinter colonies. But as I alluded to above, the only stories the Loroi tell are ones of the past which they believe to be true.

The Barsam do have something of a media culture, but the secular portion of it is mostly devoted to political, technical or business pursuits. The religious portion of it is sort of a combination of ceremony, oration, and music. Barsam parables are usually not taken as literally as the Loroi heroic myths, and they may be allegorical or entirely fictional, but they are not usually speculative. The Barsam religion preaches that the Soia-Liron races were created by angelic extra-dimensional powers (who they call the "Gatherers") in the image of primitive local races and then scattered by a sort of "expulsion from Eden." The Barsam have never discovered other Barsam splinter colonies, but they have found the Nibiren, whom they believe they were created in the image of. The Barsam assume that Soia-Liron races will be found all over the galaxy, and so they would not be at all surprised to find lost colonies of Loroi or Barsam relatives, or other as yet unimagined blue-skinned variants. The chief Barsam issue with the Loroi in this matter is that they consider the Loroi claim to be direct descendants of the Gatherers as arrogant at the very least, if not actually blasphemous. On the contrary, some Barsam clerics place the Loroi in the role of a Lucifer, as being renegade servants of the Gatherers chiefly responsible for the expulsion from paradise.

The Neridi have a diverse media culture that is probably the most like ours among the Soia-Liron races, and they do have arts that we would recognize as theater and teleplay. Officially the Neridi endorse the Loroi view of their Soia origins. In popular culture, some works support the Loroi view, some support the Barsam view, and some are agnostic, but for the most part they like to poke fun at their blue cousins rather than take the matter too seriously.

[Roeben]

Interesting. So when the Barsam courier captain in Chapter 1 saw Alex, his thoughts may have been something along the lines of "So, the Loroi were also created in the image of an existing species, themselves.".

Makes it easy to understand why Alex's life may be in danger during the events to come.

[Sweforce]

So lost loroi colonise have been found. Where they all died out or did they have any living remnant populations? If there were, were they profoundly different culturally? If not one may draw the conclusion that there is some genetic part to the cast system via programmed instincts.

[dragoongfa]

I think that went for the three Sister Worlds, Deinar, Perrein and Taben.

[Mr.Tucker]

It is said in the Insider that tools from previous eras (Dreiman, Soia, etc). It''s pretty obviuous we're not talking about obsidian spear-points here. What are these tools? Drill bits? Engines? Pieces of machinery? Would they be in a condition to be reproduced or even studied in any way? (I doubt human technology would)

[Sweforce]

It is said in the Insider that tools from previous eras (Dreiman, Soia, etc). It''s pretty obviuous we're not talking about obsidian spear-points here. What are these tools? Drill bits? Engines? Pieces of machinery? Would they be in a condition to be reproduced or even studied in any way? (I doubt human technology would)

To get to bottom if what I was after, have any tools made for loroi hands been found on other worlds then the three sister worlds? Even if the population is extinct it would be a clear indication of that they had been there at some point. A tool ergonomically made to fit a human hand would suggest that it was intended for human/loroi use since the other members of the union are of a very different build. A screwdriver is universal but a saw with a ergonomically grip, including fittings for the fingers is not. I guess this goes for all the species like barsam fitting tools in worlds they where not present on before their interstellar space age. The dremian and the soia themselves are gone, this is about the current species in the region.

[Arioch]

It is said in the Insider that tools from previous eras (Dreiman, Soia, etc). It''s pretty obviuous we're not talking about obsidian spear-points here. What are these tools? Drill bits? Engines? Pieces of machinery? Would they be in a condition to be reproduced or even studied in any way? (I doubt human technology would)

Most surviving Soia-era artifacts were constructed with advanced ceramics, which are extremely durable and corrosion-resistant. They include anything from a TL12 society that you can imagine that might have been made of such materials, including personal tools and utensils, knife blades, containers, fasteners, screws, machine parts, bearings, pipes, etc. The electronic internals of electronic devices were also ceramic. Most are not in working condition, having been exposed to a civilization-ending bombardment and a quarter-million years of time, but a few are. They were certainly useful both as tools and as examples to early post-fall cultures, mostly in terms of form and function (as iron age cultures could not fathom how to reverse-engineer advanced ceramics), and later in materials science.

As the Loroi and other civilizations moved out into space, they were able to find even better-preserved artifacts in derelict vessels and stations. The majority of Dreiman artifacts were found in space, as they had few planetary settlements.

To get to bottom if what I was after, have any tools made for loroi hands been found on other worlds then the three sister worlds? Even if the population is extinct it would be a clear indication of that they had been there at some point. A tool ergonomically made to fit a human hand would suggest that it was intended for human/loroi use since the other members of the union are of a very different build. A screwdriver is universal but a saw with a ergonomically grip, including fittings for the fingers is not. I guess this goes for all the species like barsam fitting tools in worlds they where not present on before their interstellar space age. The dremian and the soia themselves are gone, this is about the current species in the region.

Distinctly Loroi Soia-era tools and weapons (and fossilized remains) have been found only on the three sister worlds, and only at the very end of the Soia era, more or less coincident with the fall of the civilization. The Soia-era city ruins on Deinar, for example, are not Loroi, but instead were a settlement of the centaur-like Mozeret, a Soia-Liron race that is now (apparently) extinct. There are no known Soia-era Loroi planetary cities anywhere, including on the three sister worlds. There are no Soia-era city ruins at all on Perrein; the Loroi just showed up there.

The Loroi infer from this planetary archaeological record that their ancestors lived mostly in space, and were forced to the surface at the conclusion of the conflict that ended the Soia civilization.

[dragoongfa]

Silly question, what does the wager between the two Loroi commanders has as a reward?

[Sweforce]

Silly question, what does the wager between the two Loroi commanders has as a reward?

Access to the the other ones mating encounter rights?

First choice of heavy ordinance? Those Blisters are expensive and maybe there isn't enough to go around for everyone that want some.

The Shoe girls comprehensive shoe and chick uniform accessoares catalog to drool over?

Alex? Perhaps in combination with the first suggestion?

[Krulle]

To me it sounded like a long standing bet, so Alex is out of the loop as a bet, but spoil-of-wars may not be, and Alex could be considered to be that. But then he is on the flagship of this group, and it would be weird to have him on a different ship in the brigg....