Farsense and Sensibility.

[NOMAD]

that is will a scary and trilling day at the same time

but I think Arioch "hinted" in the old forums ( and on the cast page) that Fireblade, being an unsheathed, does not speak as a tradition of her telepathic powers

[fredgiblet]

Am I the only one who suspects that the "Far Sensing Device" was just the Loroi being somewhat coy about their psionic abilities?

It's been explicitly stated, if not in the Insider then in the forums. Farseers are Loroi with extra-sensitive psidar, they get to chill out in big amplifiers and tell the ships where the bad guys are. Of course they also burn out after a while, but that's the price you pay for being special.

[Ktrain]

that is will a scary and trilling day at the same time

but I think Arioch "hinted" in the old forums ( and on the cast page) that Fireblade, being an unsheathed, does not speak as a tradition of her telepathic powers

Question: What do Loroi do when they stub their toes?

[discord]

ktrain: kill, which just happens to be the default reaction to ANYTHING unexpected, probably the main reasons there are so few of them around.

[GeoModder]

Question: What do Loroi do when they stub their toes?

Incinerate the offending plating, of course.

[sleepdeprived]

Well, seeing that

loroi have a warrior culture, which would make public displays of weakness (like being in pain for example) somewhat shameful
survival training (such as one every loroi gets as a child) tends to toughen participants up
Beryl's laughing out loud suggests that loroi are perfectly capable of displaying emotions verbally
sanzai has quite a range and (i am led to believe) would have a pain element in the message

i believe a loroi stubbing her toe wouln't do anything if she could help it. A sharp breath at most.

Better question would be one about childbirth i think.

[Karst45]

ktrain: kill, which just happens to be the default reaction to ANYTHING unexpected, probably the main reasons there are so few of them around.

seem like the loroi have 2 setting, Grumpy or Killing. They sure sound like party animal!

Better question would be one about childbirth i think.

Well considering the rest of the gestation is conducted in "artificial womb" i suppose they dont fell the pain of giving birth as they go under the knife and must/should be sedated the same way as any operation require.

[Voitan]

sanzai has quite a range and (i am led to believe) would have a pain element in the message

i believe a loroi stubbing her toe wouln't do anything if she could help it. A sharp breath at most.

Can Sanzai transmit sensory input from one Loroi to another?

Can one in intense pain, inadvertantly transmit their pain to others?

If Jardin begins reciting an ear worm song, will it count as torture to the Loroi as the song that never ends begins to ring loudly on every Loroi world?

[Tash]

If Jardin begins reciting an ear worm song, will it count as torture to the Loroi as the song that never ends begins to ring loudly on every Loroi world?

Make it stop, this tune is annoying, I've gotta shoot Umiak in the morning!

[NOMAD]

If Jardin begins reciting an ear worm song, will it count as torture to the Loroi as the song that never ends begins to ring loudly on every Loroi world?

Make it stop, this tune is annoying, I've gotta shoot Umiak in the morning!

Then the loroi shall truly have lost the war. But getting back to the discussion at hand ( or trying to). Voitan does have a point,

Can Sanzai transmit sensory input from one Loroi to another?

Can one in intense pain, inadvertantly transmit their pain to others?

From the insider guide, Loroi do have a mental shield ( IE blocking ) ability, but for something unexpected ( like a sudden burst of pain) might get through. However it would depend on A) the strength ( and pain) of the sender B) the attention/concentration of the receiver ( if your distracted by the annoying blinking light of incoming Umiak gunboats as an example) and the C) the abilities of the receiver(s) mental blocking.

I could see Fireblade, stabbing her toe ( quiet painfully) and everyone within ship getting at least some feeling of pain as well. ( but I would assume loroi foot ware is stub proof to a fault)

[Voitan]

If Jardin begins reciting an ear worm song, will it count as torture to the Loroi as the song that never ends begins to ring loudly on every Loroi world?

Make it stop, this tune is annoying, I've gotta shoot Umiak in the morning!

Memetic viral bombs, perhaps the largest reason for why the Loroi's culture is not a free information culture.

ADD:

Thinking on it, Loroi culture may have people keep their proverbial mental mouthpeice shut in places that need a clear "air" space to conduct things properly.

Thus the problem of, how can your people think and at the same time provide a clear enviroment for communication if the culture frowns on it?

Then I guess the alternate prediction on Loroi culture is that they simply must not mind the constant background chatter.

Hmmm... I don't think these are good enough explanations.

[Arioch]

Loroi telepathy is not normally the sharing of literal "thoughts" or "emotions"; telepathic messages are similar to a spoken message, but there is a lot of extra bandwidth (which varies with the quality of the connection) that can contain subtext information, including emotional or sensory information. If there is enough telepathic bandwidth (especially if the two conversants are touching), then there may be so much information in the message that it almost seems like sharing thoughts or emotions or viewing through someone else's senses, but that's not the "normal" mode of operation for telepathy.

A Loroi who stubs her toe might "cry out" telepathically, and the subtext of this telepathic message would probably contain information that the crier was in pain, but this would not be literally be a transmission of pain.

[manticore7]

Loroi telepathy is not normally the sharing of literal "thoughts" or "emotions"; telepathic messages are similar to a spoken message, but there is a lot of extra bandwidth (which varies with the quality of the connection) that can contain subtext information, including emotional or sensory information. If there is enough telepathic bandwidth (especially if the two conversants are touching), then there may be so much information in the message that it almost seems like sharing thoughts or emotions or viewing through someone else's senses, but that's not the "normal" mode of operation for telepathy.

A Loroi who stubs her toe might "cry out" telepathically, and the subtext of this telepathic message would probably contain information that the crier was in pain, but this would not be literally be a transmission of pain.

I think that some what answerss a question I was about to ask, but I was wondering. If an Loroi telesends an account of an event say a battle will it be as she experienced it or will there be a tinge of bias and her interpritation of the battle. would it be accurate to say that the Loroi don't lie but they do editorialize?

[fredgiblet]

A question that's been floating in my head for a while while we're on the subject. Does touching cause a hive-mind type effect? To be more specific, if Tempo is holding Beryl's hand in her left hand and Fireblade's hand in her right, does Beryl have a connection to Fireblade, or do both of their connections stop at Tempo? Would a mosh pit of Loroi all be connected?

[TrashMan]

A question that's been floating in my head for a while while we're on the subject. Does touching cause a hive-mind type effect? To be more specific, if Tempo is holding Beryl's hand in her left hand and Fireblade's hand in her right, does Beryl have a connection to Fireblade, or do both of their connections stop at Tempo? Would a mosh pit of Loroi all be connected?

Interesting question.
Also has interesting alpication in an orgy. What, Loroi don't have those? Alex drear boy - teach them!

[Aygar]

I think that some what answerss a question I was about to ask, but I was wondering. If an Loroi telesends an account of an event say a battle will it be as she experienced it or will there be a tinge of bias and her interpritation of the battle. would it be accurate to say that the Loroi don't lie but they do editorialize?

IIRC it has been stated that Loroi can lie through Sanzai, but for the vast majority of Loroi can't keep the equivalent of a strait face when doing so. I would expect that editorializing would be out as well because the intent to deceive would leak into the side band.

--Aygar

[osmium]

I think there could be editorializing. Otherwise nothing could ever be secret. There is a lot of knowledge that people have and while it is true that Loroi speak their mind, in no small part due to sanzai, I don't think leaving things out is out of the question. You'll always not be telling the other person everything you know and so long as you (as Loroi) emotionally steel yourself beforehand or have prepared for such a question, saying something like "that's above your paygrade", or "need to know" or "I'm not telling you that" won't really reveal much... Certainly not much more than facial expressions on a human saying the exact same thing would give away to us. Now saying something about a topic and leaving things out might be hard, but completely table-ing a topic I would think is possible.

Pass through connections with multiple Loroi while interesting could get cacophonous quickly, I would expect it to be difficult to distinguish from whom various emotions were coming from.

-O

[Arioch]

It's difficult to knowingly transmit false information via an ordinary telepathic connection, because much of the "subtext" information is semi-conscious or unconscious. The higher the bandwidth, the greater the detail and depth of the subtext, and the harder it is to consciously control. It's possible to intentionally omit this subtext, but then the receiver definitely knows something's up; it's a bit like when someone refuses to look you in the eye when talking to you.

However, just because it's difficult to knowingly lie doesn't mean that the message must be impartial or strictly factual; it can contain opinion or judgment. Every Loroi has her own point of view, so information that she believes to be true is always colored to some extent by personal biases. Two people can watch the same event and form different interpretations of it.

if Tempo is holding Beryl's hand in her left hand and Fireblade's hand in her right, does Beryl have a connection to Fireblade, or do both of their connections stop at Tempo? Would a mosh pit of Loroi all be connected?

Touch contact is peer-to-peer; Fireblade touching Tempo doesn't give her direct access to Beryl. However, Tempo could choose to act as a telepathic relay, giving Fireblade and Beryl access to each other (that's not quite as high-bandwidth as direct touch, but close). This is of limited use, since if she's close enough to touch Tempo, Fireblade is probably close enough to lean over and touch Beryl herself. As osmium suggests, there are practical limits on how many people can be linked in this manner, as the amount of information being passed back and forth quickly becomes unmanageable.

The only practical use I can think of for multi-person links is groups of Listel transferring information.

[Karst45]

The only practical use I can think of for multi-person links is groups of Listel transferring information.

and to answer TrashMan question before he ask it, no i doubt that "information transfer" involve naked loroi and/or jello.

[Ktrain]

Question: Are there mutations/birth defects which can limit/prevent the development the use of sanzai? Like being deaf or mute, only telepathically. Do/would the Loroi terminate such individuals in the womb or has their medical technology advanced enough to prevent/repair such defects (though if this were so then what is preventing the Loroi from just genetically engineering a bunch of Teidar)?