Re: Page 189: GO AWAY!
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:09 am
With hand puppets.
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With hand puppets.
I'm talking about individuals who have been so mentally unbalanced by the war that they either don't respond to psychiatric treatment, or can't be convinced to come in out of the wilds of Seren in the first place. In the first case such individuals are already in a sanitarium or a prison; in the second case, they have to be hunted down. An unenviable duty especially in the latter case, but the Loroi have an advantage here that the Umiak counter-insurgency forces didn't have; they can sense the telepathic signatures of Loroi guerrillas that are out of sight.CrimsonFALKE wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:39 amHow do a telepathic race euthanize one another without issue if they all know what it is coming?
Well if I could tell someone was going to kill me they'd have a real fight on their hands.Arioch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:03 amI'm talking about individuals who have been so mentally unbalanced by the war that they either don't respond to psychiatric treatment, or can't be convinced to come in out of the wilds of Seren in the first place. In the first case such individuals are already in a sanitarium or a prison; in the second case, they have to be hunted down. An unenviable duty especially in the latter case, but the Loroi have an advantage here that the Umiak counter-insurgency forces didn't have; they can sense the telepathic signatures of Loroi guerrillas that are out of sight.CrimsonFALKE wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:39 amHow do a telepathic race euthanize one another without issue if they all know what it is coming?
Just because you're telepathic doesn't necessarily mean you can read someone else's mind, but in the above cases I don't think it really matters whether they see it coming or not.
If you were dangerously insane and already institutionalized, you were probably already in restraints and/or sedated. If you were dangerously insane and still playing partisan in the hills, there was going to be a fight regardless.CrimsonFALKE wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:58 pmWell if I could tell someone was going to kill me they'd have a real fight on their hands.
Alex narrate the story as it is something in his past. As such he could have done this shortly after his adventure, maybe in an hearing/report back home or maybe memoirs pinned down maybe decades after the event. On the other hand you may have understood that just fine and withhold that information since it may spoil the story.
For a race like the Loroi did the people did the people do the killing feel that death?Arioch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:07 pmIf you were dangerously insane and already institutionalized, you were probably already in restraints and/or sedated. If you were dangerously insane and still playing partisan in the hills, there was going to be a fight regardless.CrimsonFALKE wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:58 pmWell if I could tell someone was going to kill me they'd have a real fight on their hands.
The implication of your question seems to be that the Loroi are somehow callous for employing euthanasia. I don't really see that they have any alternative in such cases, except performing a lobotomy, which doesn't sound any more humane to me. I don't see that humans would act much differently in a similar situation.CrimsonFALKE wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:57 pmFor a race like the Loroi did the people did the people do the killing feel that death?Arioch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:07 pmIf you were dangerously insane and already institutionalized, you were probably already in restraints and/or sedated. If you were dangerously insane and still playing partisan in the hills, there was going to be a fight regardless.CrimsonFALKE wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:58 pmWell if I could tell someone was going to kill me they'd have a real fight on their hands.
I am not trying to say they are callous I am just curious how a race so much more able to feel things and say things with themselves would go about killing themselves. In away you would think their telepathy would make them very unified and able to communicate. I guess they aren't above us at all.Arioch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:16 amThe implication of your question seems to be that the Loroi are somehow callous for employing euthanasia. I don't really see that they have any alternative in such cases, except performing a lobotomy, which doesn't sound any more humane to me. I don't see that humans would act much differently in a similar situation.CrimsonFALKE wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:57 pmFor a race like the Loroi did the people did the people do the killing feel that death?
I imagine that individual Loroi would have a similar range of feelings as humans in such a situation, and if that was your job, that would be an unenviable task. But the Loroi as a culture do take duty very seriously. Their ideal is to perform your duty first, and then worry about how you feel about it afterward.
I wouldn't look at it from a empathetic angle but rather a self preservatory one.CrimsonFALKE wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:49 am
I am not trying to say they are callous I am just curious how a race so much more able to feel things and say things with themselves would go about killing themselves. In away you would think their telepathy would make them very unified and able to communicate. I guess they aren't above us at all.
These cases exist among humans, too. Ok, our cases can't harm us with their thoughts alone, but there are people who can not be trusted to be left unsupervised. Treatment options for them are very often limited to heavy medicamentation. Before our knowledge of drugs became sophisticated enough, straightjackets weren't uncommon. There are still situations for them today. Nobody liked it, yet it had to be done. Whether a society prefers to permanently keep these poor sods in a drug induced vegetative state or keeps the dignity of the inflicted with a quick, permanent fix seems like a cultural preference and not actually a deep divide.Arioch wrote:When it comes to mental health, the upside of telepathy is that therapists have some very powerful telepathic techniques to aid in treatment of mental disorders. The downside is that if such treatment fails, an incurable telepathic patient cannot be safely confined. Such cases are rare, but they do happen, and there is really only one option left... and it doesn't really matter how people feel about it. What must be done, must be done.