WIP Discussion (Part 1!)

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Arioch wrote: Image
EVA suits, and contact to speak privately?

Uh, Alex...
Looks like Beryl will have a stern word with you.
About operational safety, and that she seems to be risking a lot by trusting you and letting you have that device and use it unsupervised.
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Krulle wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:13 am
Arioch wrote: Image
EVA suits, and contact to speak privately?

Uh, Alex...
Looks like Beryl will have a stern word with you.
About operational safety, and that she seems to be risking a lot by trusting you and letting you have that device and use it unsupervised.
Looks like she's checking the radio connection and the sealing.

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Will his wearing non-regulation (i.e. his own) underwear cause an issue with the suit at this point.

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And I do not think so. The thermal suit will not recognize the correct heat for his nether bits, and might overheat or undercool that region, due to the underwear messing up with the thermal sensors.

Also,
Beryl does not seem to be wearing gloves, so it's unlikely they are in low-pressure or even vaccuum.
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When Alex said he just wanted to go outside for a walk, Beryl took it literally.

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boldilocks wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:34 am
When Alex said he just wanted to go outside for a walk, Beryl took it literally.
lol

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Arioch wrote: Image
What is he thinking right now?
"Damn that's a cute blue elf face!"

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Strange, I swear I saw some reply. Is the forum data getting deleted?

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Dan Wyatt wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:36 pm
Strange, I swear I saw some reply. Is the forum data getting deleted?
Ah, sorry, I deleted my answer. Didn't like it as much as I thought I would ;)

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Hey Arioch,
About the Tactical display in this picture that was posted in WIP yesterday...
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What do those special icons other than the Shuttle, Barsam Ship and Umiak Ships signify?
I'm talking about the icon with an inverted 'Z' pattern near the shuttle and the other one on the far right.

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I would guess that it means there is supposed to be a relay, beacon or station in the indicated positions but they have been destroyed, occupied, or otherwise rendered inoperative.

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They're "destroyed" markers, but I think I need to redo them, as they're pretty much completely obscuring the icon underneath.

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That is what I figure based on the previous display seen on page 123.
The green path from page top to page right I think is the escape vector of the Black Razor to Enedd.

Interesting that the supply depot is still intact on the Azimol vector.

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Arioch wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:15 pm
They're "destroyed" markers, but I think I need to redo them, as they're pretty much completely obscuring the icon underneath.
Ah, thanks for the clarifications.

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Arent wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:44 pm
Dan Wyatt wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:36 pm
Strange, I swear I saw some reply. Is the forum data getting deleted?
Ah, sorry, I deleted my answer. Didn't like it as much as I thought I would ;)
I liked it though.

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Ithekro wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:25 pm
That is what I figure based on the previous display seen on page 123.
The green path from page top to page right I think is the escape vector of the Black Razor to Enedd.

Interesting that the supply depot is still intact on the Azimol vector.
I was also wondering about the icons on the Azimol vector. I now think that I was at first somewhat disoriented.

Since the beacon towards Rallis vector is still displayed, I would assume that the other beacons would also be displayed if they were intact. My interpretation is that the [destroyed]-icon near the Azimol vector is a destroyed beacon; which begs the question what the intact structure on the Azimol vector is.

The destroyed "supply depot" (which I thought you referred to) would be Gora relay, on the vector towards Seren (which Highland-7 was originally headed for):
https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider123.html
while the intact structure on the Azimol vector is "Station 121", which the Prophet's Reason gave as a rendezvous-point:
https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider135.html

Station 121 would not be something which we have seen illustrated in the comic. If it's still intact, I think that we can only speculate as to why. Maybe the hierarchy have yet not had time to disable the structure; which would make sense storywise, if the Higland-7 personnel is to be extracted by Prophet's reason. From the WIP it also looks like the Hierarchy make a U-turn after disabling the Azimol-beacon.

I don't know what the purposes of the different structures (relay, post, station, depot) are. Since the Station 121 is still intact, maybe it's not of military significance. Maybe it's not even big. Maybe it's displayed on the Highland-7's tactical view simply because it was marked an object of interest, while other insignificant stations just like it are not displayed by default.

[EDIT 1]
From the insider concept work, I gather that Loroi "Base station" and "Citadel" can be used synonymously:
https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/conc ... loroi.html
while the tactical view (page 123) displaying icons resembling base station (Gora Relay and Leido Sala Post being BS-1 and Tizaba Depot being BS-5 respectively):
https://well-of-souls.com/gallery/image ... _fancy.jpg

I could not find concept art of Station 121.
[/EDIT 1]

[EDIT 2]
Do we see three or four Hierarchy divisions in the system, in the WIP? There are four yellow ships with red position markers, where three of them bears a smaller red icon.

Comparing against page 128 where there are a total of 8 divisions (indicated in yellow), four indicated with a smaller red icon, and three reportedly splitting of from the main force.
https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider128.html
Then there are additional three small red icons, from the deep-jump, on page 129:
https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider129.html

In the WIP we can see four red trajectories. I interpret these as if three smaller divisions are remaining in the system, while the fourth (the hierarchy main force) is pursuing Black Razor to Enedd. The Hierarchy main force, which is not viewed in the WIP, would account for the forth small red icon on page 128. This would not account for the additional three red icons for the deep-jumpers.
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The system view has been rotated a bit over the course of the panels; I got turned around myself a little bit when working on this page, so don't feel bad if you're disoriented. The key points of reference are Leido-Sala at the top of the frame (from where SG51 entered the system) and Gora Relay at the bottom (where the shuttle made its aborted attempt to rendezvous before jump).

It is as you suggest; the Umiak units still in Leido system are mainly the short-jump units that were tasked with securing the jump points; the main Umiak force has pushed through to Enedd. On page 123 the Enedd jump is at the bottom of the screen, but here it's to the right.

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Arioch wrote:Image
I see you!
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"Look at me, im the captain now."

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silentstormpt wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:27 pm
"Look at me, im the captain now."
Noice!! :lol:
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