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CrimsonFALKE wrote:
Arioch wrote:
Turrosh Mak wrote:Of the people on the shuttle, who has children and how many? Do any have a male child?
The majority of Loroi warriors in this period will have at least one child, conceived during the mating time allotted as part of the reward for graduation. Most Loroi over the age of 35 will be old enough to have had a second child when, after the start of the war, essentially all off-duty warriors were granted mating privileges (resulting in the "Semoset boom" in population). Beyond that, additional mating rights are granted with achievements, such as decoration, certain levels of promotion, or certain service length milestones. You may also be awarded mating time if one of your offspring dies in the line of duty.

Of the characters on the shuttle whose backstories extend that far:
Fireblade, Talon and Spiral are childless. Talon & Spiral's post-graduation leave was cut short due to the need to rapidly deploy their unit into action; Spiral did not conceive in the shortened time available, and Talon's leave was suspended pending disciplinary action. The reasons behind Fireblade's childlessness will be addressed in the story.

Tempo has two daughters and a number of grand- and great-granddaughters (as her older daughter was old enough to have also had a second child in the "Semoset boom" -- Tempo's sister, second daughter, and second granddaughter are all about the same age). Beryl has a single child: a son, named Silver Moon. He is currently about four years old.
Does that explain some of beryl's interest and behavior towards Alex? She has a weird relationship that seems romantic but motherly at times
She did bring up did he have "those" kind of needs.

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So what are the familial relationships they have Jim?

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She did bring up did he have "those" kind of needs.
Maybe she is volunteering

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CrimsonFALKE wrote:So what are the familial relationships they have Jim?
If you mean the relationships of Tempo and Beryl with their offspring:

Tempo was born during peacetime, and into a caste that (at that time) allowed for a good chance to work close to home, and so Tempo and her mother and her own first-born daughter (who are not far apart in age by Loroi standards, especially for that time) were able to spend a lot of time together and became particularly close. Tempo's second daughter, Tempo's sister and Tempo's first grandchild were born around the same time and became very close as children, though this was after the start of the war and so haven't been able to spend as much time together as working adults. Though Tempo has been very busy since the start of the war, and especially since Greywind became emperor, she has kept in pretty good contact with her family on Perrein and elsewhere, if increasingly through correspondence.

Beryl was born to a young Semoset Boom mother during the Semoset campaign itself, aboard the cruiser New Moon. Just a few months after Beryl was taken off the ship, it was lost with all hands taking part in the Battle of the Tasinei Ways. I mention this because when Beryl gave birth to her own child during her training on Mezan, she named him "Silver Moon", partly in remembrance of her mother's ship. Moon is still in a Nedatan creche on Deinar. Beryl has only seen him a few times, as she has had few leave opportunities that allowed her to return to Deinar, and the upbringing methods for males often don't involve the mothers much, even when they are nearby.

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It's very cool that you created that level of backstory for all the characters.

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Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:So what are the familial relationships they have Jim?
If you mean the relationships of Tempo and Beryl with their offspring:

Tempo was born during peacetime, and into a caste that (at that time) allowed for a good chance to work close to home, and so Tempo and her mother and her own first-born daughter (who are not far apart in age by Loroi standards, especially for that time) were able to spend a lot of time together and became particularly close. Tempo's second daughter, Tempo's sister and Tempo's first grandchild were born around the same time and became very close as children, though this was after the start of the war and so haven't been able to spend as much time together as working adults. Though Tempo has been very busy since the start of the war, and especially since Greywind became emperor, she has kept in pretty good contact with her family on Perrein and elsewhere, if increasingly through correspondence.

Beryl was born to a young Semoset Boom mother during the Semoset campaign itself, aboard the cruiser New Moon. Just a few months after Beryl was taken off the ship, it was lost with all hands taking part in the Battle of the Tasinei Ways. I mention this because when Beryl gave birth to her own child during her training on Mezan, she named him "Silver Moon", partly in remembrance of her mother's ship. Moon is still in a Nedatan creche on Deinar. Beryl has only seen him a few times, as she has had few leave opportunities that allowed her to return to Deinar, and the upbringing methods for males often don't involve the mothers much, even when they are nearby.

Thats interesting can you tell me what his cretch life is like? I figure that won't be to much of a spoiler and what the hell does a male Loroi at that age look like I know Talon is 13.

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CrimsonFALKE wrote:Thats interesting can you tell me what his cretch life is like? I figure that won't be to much of a spoiler and what the hell does a male Loroi at that age look like I know Talon is 13.
At age four, Moon looks similar to a seven or eight year old human child. Education for male children isn't accelerated in the same way as for females; there is no diral phase and the Nedatan creche at this stage is sort of like an extended preschool... it's mostly organized play. A creche is like long-term childcare in which the children don't go home at the end of the day; they live there. Most male children start more formal schooling around age 6, but it depends on the child; some lag for several years, and they are usually not pressured to advance. Unlike the females who are sexually mature at around age 8, Loroi males don't become sexually active until about age 12, by which time they have normally completed primary education, and after which they begin an extended secondary education which may last for decades. Since Moon inherited his mother's Listel memory, he will most likely be trained as a Nedatan Ninzadi, a scholar, archivist or researcher.

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Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:Thats interesting can you tell me what his cretch life is like? I figure that won't be to much of a spoiler and what the hell does a male Loroi at that age look like I know Talon is 13.
At age four, Moon looks similar to a seven or eight year old human child. Education for male children isn't accelerated in the same way as for females; there is no diral phase and the Nedatan creche at this stage is sort of like an extended preschool... it's mostly organized play. A creche is like long-term childcare in which the children don't go home at the end of the day; they live there. Most male children start more formal schooling around age 6, but it depends on the child; some lag for several years, and they are usually not pressured to advance. Unlike the females who are sexually mature at around age 8, Loroi males don't become sexually active until about age 12, by which time they have normally completed primary education, and after which they begin an extended secondary education which may last for decades. Since Moon inherited his mother's Listel memory, he will most likely be trained as a Nedatan Ninzadi, a scholar, archivist or researcher.

Interesting good breeding then ensures Silver Moon has a comfy posting then very British. So final question what did the women caring for these boys do or not do to land themselves child care roles?

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CrimsonFALKE wrote:Interesting good breeding then ensures Silver Moon has a comfy posting then very British. So final question what did the women caring for these boys do or not do to land themselves child care roles?
Watching the children was traditionally the job of older female warriors who had perhaps suffered permanent injuries or were otherwise no longer operating in top form. This is still practiced to a certain extent, but as the Loroi progressed into the modern era and education became a more professional pursuit, educators and child care providers increasingly became trained specialists within each caste. Child care and education for males is considered among the highest priorities in the field and so the Nedatan caregivers are a special cadre of only the most highly qualified older female educators.

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Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:Interesting good breeding then ensures Silver Moon has a comfy posting then very British. So final question what did the women caring for these boys do or not do to land themselves child care roles?
Watching the children was traditionally the job of older female warriors who had perhaps suffered permanent injuries or were otherwise no longer operating in top form. This is still practiced to a certain extent, but as the Loroi progressed into the modern era and education became a more professional pursuit, educators and child care providers increasingly became trained specialists within each caste. Child care and education for males is considered among the highest priorities in the field and so the Nedatan caregivers are a special cadre of only the most highly qualified older female educators.
neat thanks

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Would Beryl be in mother hen mode with Alex then? The birthing mother may not have much to do with the raising and training of her child, but there might be some residual instinct to protect her young back in the days when her kind had to worry about rival tribes or predatory threats attacking.

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SaintofM wrote:Would Beryl be in mother hen mode with Alex then? The birthing mother may not have much to do with the raising and training of her child, but there might be some residual instinct to protect her young back in the days when her kind had to worry about rival tribes or predatory threats attacking.
That, and some "other interests" in a male don't necessarily exclude each other in a Loroi. After all, they do see their males as something needing protection (and sort of guidance, because they might be too flightly and whimsical when left on their own) even when being grown up.

So yes, Beryl seems to be switching between those two modes, but to a Loroi "I'll take very good care of you" may count as a flirtatious remark as well, given that background.

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novius wrote:
SaintofM wrote:Would Beryl be in mother hen mode with Alex then? The birthing mother may not have much to do with the raising and training of her child, but there might be some residual instinct to protect her young back in the days when her kind had to worry about rival tribes or predatory threats attacking.
That, and some "other interests" in a male don't necessarily exclude each other in a Loroi. After all, they do see their males as something needing protection (and sort of guidance, because they might be too flightly and whimsical when left on their own) even when being grown up.

So yes, Beryl seems to be switching between those two modes, but to a Loroi "I'll take very good care of you" may count as a flirtatious remark as well, given that background.

I don't think Loroi even undertand the concept of "flirting". They don't exactly court their males; instead they have "Government approved encounters" aka wait-your-turn-for-nookie."

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raistlin34 wrote:I don't think Loroi even undertand the concept of "flirting". They don't exactly court their males; instead they have "Government approved encounters" aka wait-your-turn-for-nookie."
Which might still involve various rituals, for example gifting the men flowers to "compliment their beauty" :shock: , writing sappy poems, showing off your muscles to the "weaker sex" etc. :mrgreen:

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raistlin34 wrote:I don't think Loroi even undertand the concept of "flirting". They don't exactly court their males; instead they have "Government approved encounters" aka wait-your-turn-for-nookie."
Arent wrote:Which might still involve various rituals, for example gifting the men flowers to "compliment their beauty" :shock: , writing sappy poems, showing off your muscles to the "weaker sex" etc.
I'm sure there are quite a lot of intricate ways to court the females that do decide such things.

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Arent wrote:
raistlin34 wrote:I don't think Loroi even undertand the concept of "flirting". They don't exactly court their males; instead they have "Government approved encounters" aka wait-your-turn-for-nookie."
Which might still involve various rituals, for example gifting the men flowers to "compliment their beauty" :shock: , writing sappy poems, showing off your muscles to the "weaker sex" etc. :mrgreen:
According to Beryl, Loroi males are too horny for simply caring about preambles.

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Somehow the idea that the Loroi don't know what flirting is sounds off.

There would be LOTS of reason for "peacocking" in a races where there are few males and lots of females, even if the males are promiscuous. The number of males are just too low for the females to not have some internal drive to attract male attention for them. Remember its not just about ANY mate, its about the BEST mate, and the males are already rare. Loroi culture might mitigate this, but it would be unlikely to eliminate this behavior.

Then there is the fact, that in the comic, the Loroi are doing it. Talon, Spiral, and Beryl have all been acting like hormone driven teenagers, which, on some level, is what they are.

This is not a bad thing.

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asaenvolk wrote:Then there is the fact, that in the comic, the Loroi are doing it..
Are they? It sounds more like the commentariat here in the forum are writing slash fiction in their head every time a new page comes out, scrutinizing every panel to theory-craft about how those slutty space elves are going to jump the human bone any moment now...

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boldilocks wrote:
asaenvolk wrote:Then there is the fact, that in the comic, the Loroi are doing it..
Are they? It sounds more like the commentariat here in the forum are writing slash fiction in their head every time a new page comes out, scrutinizing every panel to theory-craft about how those slutty space elves are going to jump the human bone any moment now...
On one side, you are right, on the other, the comic is actually heavily promoting it. The best example are Beryls antics about "mating encounters" which are nothing but a slutty space elves teenager fantasy :shock:

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Arent wrote:
boldilocks wrote:
asaenvolk wrote:Then there is the fact, that in the comic, the Loroi are doing it..
Are they? It sounds more like the commentariat here in the forum are writing slash fiction in their head every time a new page comes out, scrutinizing every panel to theory-craft about how those slutty space elves are going to jump the human bone any moment now...
On one side, you are right, on the other, the comic is actually heavily promoting it. The best example are Beryls antics about "mating encounters" which are nothing but a slutty space elves teenager fantasy :shock:
Actually that's probably something you'd ask if you are of a species where the male is heavily emotionally dependent on frequent mating encounters. She was also looking into his eating habits and so forth.

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