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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:15 am
by Mayhem
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Zero Gravity at junctions is interesting.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:18 am
by CaptainChaos
yahoo! Thanks Arioch!

Re: Page 219

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:22 am
by sunphoenix
Resist Not the Beryl ~ Yeet!

Thanks Arioch!

Re: Page 219

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:07 pm
by Demarquis
So, no resistance yet.

Air or otherwise.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:17 pm
by GeoModder
A... new page? 🧐
From the narration, it sounds like the Umiak have the habit of designing their starships' interiors like a warren.
And the posture of those dead crew Umiak really looks good.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:10 pm
by DevilDalek
GeoModder wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:17 pm
A... new page? 🧐
From the narration, it sounds like the Umiak have the habit of designing their starships' interiors like a warren.
Or a hive!

Yes! New page!
I'm gonna go get the fireworks and get started on prepping the feast!

Re: Page 219

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:10 pm
by icekatze
hi hi

Nice to see that they actually do trust Alex. At least, trust him enough to leave their backs to him.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:08 pm
by CrimsonFALKE
So is the ship laid down like an ant hill/bee hive structure and they love to just climb and crawl about the ship.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:10 pm
by Demarquis
"Nice to see that they actually do trust Alex. At least, trust him enough to leave their backs to him."

This actually isn't very smart, since he didn't train with them, and they really no idea how good or bad he might be at this, but yes it is a strong sign of trust.

But remember what the historian avatar said.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:35 pm
by Arioch
Demarquis wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:10 pm
"Nice to see that they actually do trust Alex. At least, trust him enough to leave their backs to him."

This actually isn't very smart, since he didn't train with them, and they really no idea how good or bad he might be at this, but yes it is a strong sign of trust.
Well, even if Beryl were the distrustful sort, she needs to lead the way, since Alex doesn't know where they're going. And even if he were not a male, and triggering her protective instincts, I don't think she'd want him blocking her shot against any random enemy that might appear.

As she said earlier, the Loroi don't have enough people to spare guarding him. (Talon there in front is heading to a different destination; Beryl and Alex are about to be alone.)

Re: Page 219

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 am
by Werra
I like the new backgrounds. The characters feel a more natural part of the world now. Is it an effect or did you draw the backgrounds by hand?

There are even small details in the background like that security camera in bottom left panel. Some Umiak analyst trying to find out how the hell the Loroi managed to sneak on board a ship will be very surpised once he zooms in on the faces.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:07 am
by Bamax
Werra wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 am
I like the new backgrounds. The characters feel a more natural part of the world now. Is it an effect or did you draw the backgrounds by hand?

There are even small details in the background like that security camera in bottom left panel. Some Umiak analyst trying to find out how the hell the Loroi managed to sneak on board a ship will be very surpised once he zooms in on the faces.
Unlikely unless they radio WIFI that to the fleet.The Loroi intend to steal the ship and that likely involves hyperjumping away.... since flying off from the fleet solo would definitely garner fleet attention.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:06 am
by Arioch
Werra wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 am
I like the new backgrounds. The characters feel a more natural part of the world now. Is it an effect or did you draw the backgrounds by hand?
They're a combination of 3D elements and hand-painting.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:34 am
by CrimsonFALKE
Arioch wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:06 am
Werra wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 am
I like the new backgrounds. The characters feel a more natural part of the world now. Is it an effect or did you draw the backgrounds by hand?
They're a combination of 3D elements and hand-painting.
Did violent decompression kill those two umaki? If so is their exoskeleton that durable?

Re: Page 219

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:12 pm
by elorran
CrimsonFALKE wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:34 am
Arioch wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:06 am
Werra wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 am
I like the new backgrounds. The characters feel a more natural part of the world now. Is it an effect or did you draw the backgrounds by hand?
They're a combination of 3D elements and hand-painting.
Did violent decompression kill those two umaki? If so is their exoskeleton that durable?
Both decompression and a certain red head seeing red ;)

Re: Page 219

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:14 pm
by Arioch
CrimsonFALKE wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:34 am
Did violent decompression kill those two umaki? If so is their exoskeleton that durable?
As I understand it, animals will lose consciousness and die from lack of oxygen long before they succumb to other effects of low pressure (like ruptured wet membranes and gas coming out of solution to form bubbles in bodily fluids, or eventually such fluids boiling off), so I don't think it matters whether the decompression is rapid. As far as I'm aware, macroscopic organisms don't explode in low pressure, nor do their organs or body structures. One might think that a sealed organ like an eyeball would explode in vacuum, but apparently not -- there have been many tests of primates (including some humans, I believe) exposed to vacuum who later made a full recovery, without their eyes or organs exploding. I've also seen tests of insects in vacuum chambers (see one below), and aside from losing consciousness from lack of oxygen, they seemed otherwise unaffected by the lack of pressure.



(The spider in particular just did not give an f.)

Re: Page 219

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:25 am
by Sweforce
CrimsonFALKE wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:34 am
Arioch wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:06 am
Werra wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:55 am
I like the new backgrounds. The characters feel a more natural part of the world now. Is it an effect or did you draw the backgrounds by hand?
They're a combination of 3D elements and hand-painting.
Did violent decompression kill those two umaki? If so is their exoskeleton that durable?
Violent decompression is a myth. I do not know how strong air pressure the Umiak have on the ships but the difference between here on the ground and out there in the vacuum of space it is 1 atmosphere. We regularly experience a larger difference when diving. So yes, their shells should handle decompression just fine, there are no explosions. Even our skin should handle it without bursting, swelling yes but not burst. We are even expected to be able to momentarily survive the vacuum of space without a spacesuit. There is a scean depicting just in the mivie 2001, a Space Oddesy. The protagonist do indeed have his suit on but lack his helmet but still manage a short space walk.

https://youtu.be/t2jibvQfTK0

Regarding eyeballs: Eyeballs are exceptionally resilient. In school during a biology class we where given cow eyes to dissect. That was HARD to do, that eyeball resisted the scalpel a lot. On the other hand, I had eye surgery a few years back to replace one of my lenses with an artifical one. It was painful but I was fully awake during the operation. I suppose that skill and sharper scalpels help.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:09 pm
by Arioch
I read up on it a little bit, and it appears that there is the possibility of the lungs rupturing during an extremely rapid decompression, particularly if the airway is somehow blocked, and that the damage to the lungs and pulmonary system could be fatal. But even in such a case, the animal doesn't "explode."

Re: Page 219

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:03 pm
by icekatze
hi hi

I always did like that scene in Titan AE, where they go on the unsuited space walk, and right before the protagonist is told to "exhale." Nice little detail. And I gather that Umiak physiology is possibly even more delicate than humans'? At least, unmodified.

But yeah, explosive decompression doesn't mean the people explode, but the air escapes explosively. In some cases, the pressure shockwave is enough to cause damage like an explosion. Most decompression scenarios are not explosive though.

Re: Page 219

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:52 pm
by Moon Moth
There was a scene in "Earthlight" by Clarke (1955) that sticks in my memory. A warship's crew evacuated to a passenger liner of the opposing side, despite not having enough spacesuits. Clarke wrote that the main danger from the brief exposure would be sunburn, so they did as much of it as possible in the shadow of one of the ships. I've wondered how accurate that was.