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The facial expressions seem kind of odd without the shading.

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Uh oh . These alien females look like they have an agenda.


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Spiral is promptly abusing that the lack of shading makes her hair the only one standing out.
I mean, look at Cockscomblade and Tempo has turned into the silent girl nobody talks to.


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Cue psychic harem argument over who gets to cuddle with Alex.
Meanwhile our hero is suddenly really confused as to why Beryl and Spiral are trying to murder each other with the sheer hate in their eyes.


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Do Patreons get the page without the right side cropped out?


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"It's a trap!"

I can't help but think that this is related to whole Historian & datapad a few pages back. The timing is rather suspicious when everyone seemed to come into the hold with their sleeping bags (maybe to distract Jardin) and who knows what Beryl and Tempo are TP conversing about. Somehow, this all smacks of some sort of secret trust test to me and I think Jardin is about to fail it.


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Spiral is promptly abusing that the lack of shading makes her hair the only one standing out.
I mean, look at Cockscomblade and Tempo has turned into the silent girl nobody talks to.


Though, Tempo definitely looks like she's handing out some last instructions. If these ladies have some agenda with the sudden change in sleeping arrangements, I'd put it on her behalf. Two reasons I can think of - either she wants to see how Alex would react to a number of different Loroi in his presence, or she got the idea that Alex and Beryl got awfully close to each other (especially after Talon surely groused about being shoved away by an over-protective Beryl) and foisted the other Loroi on them as chaperones.


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Hmm.. and again we have Tempo doing her "I/ME" underlining gesture. In all seriousness, I do wonder what they are talking about, what is it that she believes she should be doing instead of Beryl... No, I'm not thinking about *that* :lol:


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Hmm.. and again we have Tempo doing her "I/ME" underlining gesture. In all seriousness, I do wonder what they are talking about, what is it that she believes she should be doing instead of Beryl... No, I'm not thinking about *that* :lol:


Judging from Tempo's expression, I'd wager it is something starting with "Do I need to remind you...", or something like that. She looks definitely displeased over something, and since she's directly addressing Beryl, it must've been something Beryl told her, or (in Tempo's mindset) failed to do.

And yes, when it comes to that, Tempo might even be less inclined to believe that human men don't have the same biological pressures than their Loroi counterparts - we do know that Beryl already had a hard time imagining it and was awfully quick (by human standards) to offer for 'arrangements'. Tempo may try to test out her belief with simply adding more Loroi into the mix - after all, in the case Tempo is right with her assumption (and we know she isn't, so she'd be in for some disappointment), that thing would give her a firm hold over Alex.


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Judging from Tempo's expression, I'd wager it is something starting with "Do I need to remind you...", or something like that. She looks definitely displeased over something, and since she's directly addressing Beryl, it must've been something Beryl told her, or (in Tempo's mindset) failed to do.


Well Beryl was the one who decided/insisted on leaving Alex alone and unsupervised in the cargo bay.

In addition to the basic issue of "You left the foreigner whose loyalties are still unknown alone with all his communication gear and possibly even weapons?" there's the fact that the Loroi see their males as somewhat child like in their mental maturity. It's like Tempo finding out that Beryl left a rambunctious six year old alone in a closet full of dangerous cleaning supplies; "Well I made him promise me real hard that he wouldn't touch anything" isn't a good enough excuse for leaving the precious male in possible danger like that.


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...there's the fact that the Loroi see their males as somewhat child like in their mental maturity...

Is that an established fact? Tempo has had a couple of intensive conversations with Alex revolving around war, politics, and touching on philosophy. I have great doubt that she would see him as a six year-old.

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I think the sleeping arrangement of everyone coming into this room was clear from the beginning.
This room is the best shielded one, to hide the IR-emissions from people aboard.
It's jsut that Alex and Beryl were the first to be sent tehre, because Alex is not of their crew, and tehrefore least useful in getting the rest to storage, and food/water supplies out of freezing danger...

Now they're coming with the sleeping party stuff, to make this room a cozy home until someone can arrange a pick-up.

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Is that an established fact? Tempo has had a couple of intensive conversations with Alex revolving around war, politics, and touching on philosophy. I have great doubt that she would see him as a six year-old.


It's not really the intelligence part but the maturity. Some quotes from the Insider:

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For their part, Loroi males are very emotional and feel very intensely, but they are often fickle and changeable, with short attention spans.

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It's similar in some ways to how human adults treat children: we're programmed to be fiercely protective of them, and we often treat them in a patronizing manner, but we don't expect adult behavior from children, and so when they act silly or need help, there is rarely a value judgment attached to that.

Another analogue to consider is the status of a European gentlewoman of the 18th century; women had rigidly defined roles and very little power or personal freedom, but courtly manners required men to defer to women, at least socially, to a large degree. Men had a patronizing attitude toward women, perhaps, but not necessarily a negative one.


So Tempo may see Alex as a very intelligent creature, but because he looks a lot like a Loroi male she may also be biased into thinking he doesn't have the self discipline needed to look out for himself (some of his own cocky behavior may have even reinforced this view). For her this wouldn't even be a negative (since they expect this of their males) which is why she might be upset with Beryl but not him. We actually saw some of this patronizing behavior from Beryl at the beginning of the chapter when she says she's going to take care of him like she's talking to a little boy being taken on a field trip.


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I hate to say this how can they not be biased toward Alex he is a male and they have lived this way for as far back as they can count. He is a male they had to rebuild and rescue


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I hate to say this how can they not be biased toward Alex (...)


Their centuries of experience with males of other species?


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"Bedroom eyes"


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I hope Alex brought enough band-aids.


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"Bedroom eyes"

Hahaha, you should be concerned if those are the eyes you get in the bedroom.

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I dunno, am I reaching at this point?


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"Bedroom eyes"

Hahaha, you should be concerned if those are the eyes you get in the bedroom.


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She's Got Bette Davis Eyes


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Tempo isn't quite there yet. But close.


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Tempo is very sinister all of a sudden, I wonder if she is more worried about Alex and the tablet than Beryl realized. Also remember the "However insincere you choose to be, you shall not find me so" from Stillstorm?

I think that Tempo has been firmly in the Umiak trick/construct/ally team from the very beginning and she is playing the long con in securing information and evidence for the admiralty to come to the right conclusion. The pre-emptive measure of revealing the 'Human envoy' to the Historians and the Barsam was brilliant in its own way, she wants to mine Alex for everything that he is worth; mere torture, experiments and later dissection wouldnt give her that, she needs him to 'open up' and cooperate willingly. She has to be working with certain assumptions in mind, a certain assumption must be the fact that both the Barsam and the Historians would learn of the humans in general. If not by someone 'talking' then by High tech Historian shenanigans. Revealing the human 'first' and giving him a sense of diplomatic protection by recognizing him as an ambassador is brilliant in both pre-empting the damage from a leak about the mistreatment of Alex by the Loroi and by showing everyone that the Humans were an enemy from the start no matter how respectful we were.

Is an other assumption that he is psychologically identical to their males? Perhaps, that's a hard cultural bias to ignore even when you don't have the biological drive behind it.

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hi hi

Big page with lots of nice details here. :D

Shoegirl, she keeps her eyes on task like a true professional. Even in dark times, you know you can count on her to get things done.

Reed seemed rather neutral toward Alex earlier, and maybe it's just that it's not a close-up, but she looks like she has a little bit of a smirk in her expression. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some telepathic in-joke going around while everyone was waiting for access to the cargo bay. It does seem that Alex kept the sleep station supply squad held up while he was poking around, and idle soldiers might just pass the time by telling jokes. Maybe at Alex's expense, or perhaps at the way Beryl is being reprimanded by Tempo.

Also, I can see I'm not the only one who is noticing that Spiral's body language has gone from whisper to shouting. Although, if an alien lady were looking at me like I was a piece of meat, I'd make sure to ask them what their diet consists of. :P

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The pre-emptive measure of revealing the 'Human envoy' to the Historians and the Barsam was brilliant in its own way, she wants to mine Alex for everything that he is worth; mere torture, experiments and later dissection wouldnt give her that, she needs him to 'open up' and cooperate willingly.
While I'm not willing to run with this as an operating theory, it could also be that revealing him to the Historians was an attempt to try to squeeze information out of them. If they make motions to try to cover something up, there's a chance she could catch them in the act.


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