VonWolffe wrote:Jericho wrote:I have my doubts if the loroi are really going to care that much.
First: It's no guarantee that loroi by large would find humans attractive.
Second: If Large number of loroi wanted to have sex with humans how would they get here? They would inevitably be forced to succumb to some sort of hierarchy to access human colonies as access is restricted by startravel and not by culture. I doubt the loroi goverment is going to arrange for loroi females to go on sex tourism. They are going to have to pay themselves and that costs.
Third: There aren't that many human males infact there is only about 12-13 billion of them and the wast majority is occupied with their own females. 90 billion loroi females sharing 12 billion males is not that different from sharing 10 billion of their own males.
I agree with you, but;
1) I doubt many human women find vibrators physically attractive, they serve a different purpose.
2) You make a great point. Given the difficulties of star travel it is not as though piles of Loroi women will flock to humanity for stimulation. I think it would be more of an unspoken perk or option for Loroi who happen to work alongside humans or if the two races were to mingle or create colonies together someplace. It certainly wouldnt happen fast or ever become universal, I merely think that the Loroi and Humanity could become close friends over time as there is no biological or language barrier to keep them separate. The only issue appears to be culture, which can be overcome given time and rational understanding.
3) We are only a small race compared to the superpower of the Loroi, and the vast majority of the Loroi may never ever meet a Human. However Canada and the United States are perhaps the closest allies in the world with the largest undefended border in the world and a vast disparity in population too. The States could crush us like a bug, but we're friends and respect one another despite all the jokes we make at each other's expense. We have different cultures and ideals, but we offer one another a lot too. In the sense of a galactic community Humanity and the Loroi have the potential of creating a similar relationship. That is probably wishful thinking though.
All good points. I wasn't talking about something I think could actually happen in the Outsider-verse, just hypothetically.
About your 2). and 3).: Don't underestimate cultural differences and their political repercussions, especially if the two political systems are entirely different. You see, the trouble is the Loroi are *too* similar to humans for us to ignore the fact they're essentially a military dictatorship responsible for at least two genocides of entire species. If they looked like the Umiak, humans would probably shrug and say "they're aliens, if this system works for them, who are we to judge them." But they're not, they're very human-like in appearance, which for the liberal-democratic Terrans will be a moral dilemma.
Even if humans actually join the Loroi as an ally, I imagine they'll be something between Finland and Yugoslavia in terms of their relations with the Soviet (Loroi) Union - they'll attempt to remain politically independent, yet moderately supportive in so far as they actually can provide any meaningful help. Human governments will probably avoid provoking the Loroi by criticizing their political system too much. At the same time humanity had better attempt to become militarily relevant enough to make itself not worth the trouble should Loroi get any ideas about imposing tougher control on human worlds (which may be an euphemism for direct military occupation). Humans definitely don't want to be Czechoslovakia, trusting the big
brother sister too much and then get woken up one morning by tanks rolling down their streets.
Human democracy might be subversive to the Loroi society to some extent as well. I mean, it doesn't take much for individual Loroi to look at how Earth society works and ask themselves "well, if the humans can have a government where mostly everybody has at least *some* say in how things are run, why shouldn't we?" For the time being, they're too smug and self-righteous (and distracted by war) to admit to themselves that their government sucks, but if morale gets low and the knowledge of human political organization percolates to their worlds, things might get interesting. And by interesting I mean potentially very bad for humans