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Trantor wrote:...

Do you see the Loroi attacking the Historians any time soon after the war is over?
No. But i see Historians who have read their version of Macchiavelli very carefully.
They´re not keen on Loroi hegemony.
Well ...
the Loroi does know that the Historians appears to have superior firepower due to them 'loaning' to them one of their 'dumb-down' Plasma Focus unit that allowed the Loroi to build their own version of a new Pulse Cannon...

And possibly the Historians had stopped or eventually pushed the Invading Umiaks out of their territorial domains and thus showing the Loroi that they possibly have a viable Military Force to be reckon with.

It might have been mentioned before in prior posts..
One wonders what type of 'humour' that the Historian Observer was referring to in Page 55 when he saw Alex for the first time and was probably pondering what 'Joke' the Loroi were pulling at his expense ? :mrgreen:

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Now serious question time!

How would human culture affect the loroi? Especially our liberal standards on sex (Presumably).

I wonder if human pornographic media would be interested in hiring loroi "actresses" (who am i kidding of course they would). If so would loroi females be interested? They don't really have any cultural objection of females being open about their sexuality (and i'm not talking about homosexuality) but they may find it unfitting for warriors to partake in such a lowly profession.

Then there are the loroi males. I have no doubt they'd jump on the opportunity but would it even be legal? I'm pretty certain some conservative community would probably be able to link their childlike features to pedophilia regardless of any knowledge about loroi biology. Could it be possible that Loroi male and human female sex will be outlawed in human space?
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fredgiblet wrote: Of course there are important considerations like how the Loroi government feels about it, but as I've had to repeat many times, I don't think they're stupid so I don't think they'll do much more than say "keep it indoors". They could of course go the other way and say "If you so much as SEE a human penis you'll never touch a Loroi male again!" but I think that would be wasteful and counter-productive (look at how well telling kids to not have sex has worked for US!), so my bet is there reaction will be more like "...god damnit...fine, whatever, just...just try not to be stupid about it, OK?"
I am not terribly familiar with Loroi government, but I imagine that they are mostly females of the species and have more opportunities to enjoy the ministrations of male mates due to their status. If this is the case, though they might be more traditionally minded and resistant to change there are individuals amoung them who would weigh the risks and perhaps become curious themselves. After all if we are biologically compatible with ine anotherand there are no risks involved then why not? I very much agree with your interpretation of their reaction; humanity appears to be a genuine sexual alternative and stranger things have happened.

I hope that an alliance with the Loroi leads to a kind of cultural integration between us over time, we have a lot to offer one another socially, culturally and technologically. They might be a xenophobic race, but humanity seems to share more similarities than differences with them and might just overcome this barrier. The conclusion seems to be: Loroi men are for procreation, human men are for fun.

All of this depends on the precedent that Alex sets of course. Godspeed my friend.

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VonWolffe wrote:
I am not terribly familiar with Loroi government, but I imagine that they are mostly females of the species and have more opportunities to enjoy the ministrations of male mates due to their status. If this is the case, though they might be more traditionally minded and resistant to change there are individuals amoung them who would weigh the risks and perhaps become curious themselves. After all if we are biologically compatible with ine anotherand there are no risks involved then why not? I very much agree with your interpretation of their reaction; humanity appears to be a genuine sexual alternative and stranger things have happened.

I hope that an alliance with the Loroi leads to a kind of cultural integration between us over time, we have a lot to offer one another socially, culturally and technologically. They might be a xenophobic race, but humanity seems to share more similarities than differences with them and might just overcome this barrier. The conclusion seems to be: Loroi men are for procreation, human men are for fun.

All of this depends on the precedent that Alex sets of course. Godspeed my friend.
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Jericho wrote:TRAITOR! PROSTITUTING OUR WORLDS TO THE ALIENS MAY YOUR PENIS FREEZE AND FALL OF! :twisted:

ALL HAIL HUMAN DOMINANCE ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR OF MAN! :twisted:
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Jericho wrote:MAY YOUR PENIS FREEZE AND FALL OF!
Loroi are perhaps cool blooded to us, but that is ridiculous.
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bunnyboy wrote:
Jericho wrote:MAY YOUR PENIS FREEZE AND FALL OF!
Loroi are perhaps cool blooded to us, but that is ridiculous.
I know but it would be funny :D.

Squeak squeak squeak pop.

Human: OMG i just came off! :o

Loroi: Is that a bad thing. :?

Human IT'S HORRIBLE. :shock:
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Jericho wrote:TRAITOR! PROSTITUTING OUR WORLDS TO THE ALIENS MAY YOUR PENIS FREEZE AND FALL OF! :twisted:

ALL HAIL HUMAN DOMINANCE ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR OF MAN! :twisted:
:D That made me laugh.

If I am not mistaken Alex and the Bellarmine's mission was to prostitute our worlds and species to whichever alien overlord would take us. Humanity is at a point in history where everything is about to change, emerging into the galactic community in the midst of a total war. Neutrality is a death sentence as the Orgus showed us, all humanity can really do is hash out the terms of what we are bought for.

From a functionalist perspective the Loroi might look at humans as a race of sentient sex toys who happen to be very intelligent and adaptable and could prove to be quite useful in the long term once given the opportunity to mature as scientists and strategists. Our brains and their brawn as it were. It's an odd concept, but that appears to be the situation our race is in anyway. Worse deals have been made.

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VonWolffe wrote: I am not terribly familiar with Loroi government, but I imagine that they are mostly females of the species and have more opportunities to enjoy the ministrations of male mates due to their status. If this is the case, though they might be more traditionally minded and resistant to change there are individuals amoung them who would weigh the risks and perhaps become curious themselves.
If access to males and thus the pleasure of having sex more often than once in a blue moon (no pun intended) is indeed one of the 'perks' of belonging to higher social castes, then easy access to human males (assuming they're indeed attractive enough to Loroi; from what Beryl had said I gather they are) would essentially subvert the whole hierarchical structure of the Loroi society. I would expect a pretty hostile reaction to this suggestion from the Loroi 'aristocracy' then.

Imagine how would our aristocracy (the filthy rich, celebrities, politicians, etc.) kick and scream if everybody, any ordinary man or woman, suddenly could have everything they have. They'd lose their special privileged status, and they would fight hard to preserve it, just as aristocracy always does.

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VonWolffe wrote:
Jericho wrote:TRAITOR! PROSTITUTING OUR WORLDS TO THE ALIENS MAY YOUR PENIS FREEZE AND FALL OF! :twisted:

ALL HAIL HUMAN DOMINANCE ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR OF MAN! :twisted:
:D That made me laugh.

If I am not mistaken Alex and the Bellarmine's mission was to prostitute our worlds and species to whichever alien overlord would take us. Humanity is at a point in history where everything is about to change, emerging into the galactic community in the midst of a total war. Neutrality is a death sentence as the Orgus showed us, all humanity can really do is hash out the terms of what we are bought for.

From a functionalist perspective the Loroi might look at humans as a race of sentient sex toys who happen to be very intelligent and adaptable and could prove to be quite useful in the long term once given the opportunity to mature as scientists and strategists. Our brains and their brawn as it were. It's an odd concept, but that appears to be the situation our race is in anyway. Worse deals have been made.
True i would really like to see the board meeting in which this was decided. Must have been one hell of a conversation. Can't really shake the feeling that this is what new inmates must feel like.

But in a serious light.
Extremist human political groups. A danger or a nuisance? (Not to the loroi of course but to the general human public).
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Victor_D wrote:If access to males and thus the pleasure of having sex more often than once in a blue moon (no pun intended) is indeed one of the 'perks' of belonging to higher social castes, then easy access to human males (assuming they're indeed attractive enough to Loroi; from what Beryl had said I gather they are) would essentially subvert the whole hierarchical structure of the Loroi society. I would expect a pretty hostile reaction to this suggestion from the Loroi 'aristocracy' then.

Imagine how would our aristocracy (the filthy rich, celebrities, politicians, etc.) kick and scream if everybody, any ordinary man or woman, suddenly could have everything they have. They'd lose their special privileged status, and they would fight hard to preserve it, just as aristocracy always does.
You make a good point Victor, but I don't think that the Loroi aristocracy is maintaining order through controlling who does and does not have sex, but rather who is given the privilege of procreating. Those of higher status or who distinguish themselves in some fashion are rewarded or recognized by having their genes continue with more offspring. My understanding is that those with higher status (war heroes, top scientists, top government officials) are allowed to procreate more often with the hope that their valued traits are picked up by their offspring. Sex for the Loroi is only about procreation, with pleasure only being a byproduct of the activity. The introduction of abundant human males to me means that sex can be enjoyed for pleasure's sake. The prestige or privelage motivation remains unchanged, so while I would certainly expect there to be some opposition to the idea of human mates I would hope that it would not be violent.

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Victor_D wrote: If access to males and thus the pleasure of having sex more often than once in a blue moon (no pun intended) is indeed one of the 'perks' of belonging to higher social castes, then easy access to human males (assuming they're indeed attractive enough to Loroi; from what Beryl had said I gather they are) would essentially subvert the whole hierarchical structure of the Loroi society. I would expect a pretty hostile reaction to this suggestion from the Loroi 'aristocracy' then.

Imagine how would our aristocracy (the filthy rich, celebrities, politicians, etc.) kick and scream if everybody, any ordinary man or woman, suddenly could have everything they have. They'd lose their special privileged status, and they would fight hard to preserve it, just as aristocracy always does.

I have my doubts if the loroi are really going to care that much.

First: It's no guarantee that loroi by large would find humans attractive.

Second: If Large number of loroi wanted to have sex with humans how would they get here? They would inevitably be forced to succumb to some sort of hierarchy to access human colonies as access is restricted by startravel and not by culture. I doubt the loroi goverment is going to arrange for loroi females to go on sex tourism. They are going to have to pay themselves and that costs.

Third: There aren't that many human males infact there is only about 12-13 billion of them and the wast majority is occupied with their own females. 90 billion loroi females sharing 12 billion males is not that different from sharing 10 billion of their own males.
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Jericho wrote:I have my doubts if the loroi are really going to care that much.

First: It's no guarantee that loroi by large would find humans attractive.

Second: If Large number of loroi wanted to have sex with humans how would they get here? They would inevitably be forced to succumb to some sort of hierarchy to access human colonies as access is restricted by startravel and not by culture. I doubt the loroi goverment is going to arrange for loroi females to go on sex tourism. They are going to have to pay themselves and that costs.

Third: There aren't that many human males infact there is only about 12-13 billion of them and the wast majority is occupied with their own females. 90 billion loroi females sharing 12 billion males is not that different from sharing 10 billion of their own males.
I agree with you, but;

1) I doubt many human women find vibrators physically attractive, they serve a different purpose.

2) You make a great point. Given the difficulties of star travel it is not as though piles of Loroi women will flock to humanity for stimulation. I think it would be more of an unspoken perk or option for Loroi who happen to work alongside humans or if the two races were to mingle or create colonies together someplace. It certainly wouldnt happen fast or ever become universal, I merely think that the Loroi and Humanity could become close friends over time as there is no biological or language barrier to keep them separate. The only issue appears to be culture, which can be overcome given time and rational understanding.

3) We are only a small race compared to the superpower of the Loroi, and the vast majority of the Loroi may never ever meet a Human. However Canada and the United States are perhaps the closest allies in the world with the largest undefended border in the world and a vast disparity in population too. The States could crush us like a bug, but we're friends and respect one another despite all the jokes we make at each other's expense. We have different cultures and ideals, but we offer one another a lot too. In the sense of a galactic community Humanity and the Loroi have the potential of creating a similar relationship. That is probably wishful thinking though.

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VonWolffe wrote:
Jericho wrote:I have my doubts if the loroi are really going to care that much.

First: It's no guarantee that loroi by large would find humans attractive.

Second: If Large number of loroi wanted to have sex with humans how would they get here? They would inevitably be forced to succumb to some sort of hierarchy to access human colonies as access is restricted by startravel and not by culture. I doubt the loroi goverment is going to arrange for loroi females to go on sex tourism. They are going to have to pay themselves and that costs.

Third: There aren't that many human males infact there is only about 12-13 billion of them and the wast majority is occupied with their own females. 90 billion loroi females sharing 12 billion males is not that different from sharing 10 billion of their own males.
I agree with you, but;

1) I doubt many human women find vibrators physically attractive, they serve a different purpose.

2) You make a great point. Given the difficulties of star travel it is not as though piles of Loroi women will flock to humanity for stimulation. I think it would be more of an unspoken perk or option for Loroi who happen to work alongside humans or if the two races were to mingle or create colonies together someplace. It certainly wouldnt happen fast or ever become universal, I merely think that the Loroi and Humanity could become close friends over time as there is no biological or language barrier to keep them separate. The only issue appears to be culture, which can be overcome given time and rational understanding.

3) We are only a small race compared to the superpower of the Loroi, and the vast majority of the Loroi may never ever meet a Human. However Canada and the United States are perhaps the closest allies in the world with the largest undefended border in the world and a vast disparity in population too. The States could crush us like a bug, but we're friends and respect one another despite all the jokes we make at each other's expense. We have different cultures and ideals, but we offer one another a lot too. In the sense of a galactic community Humanity and the Loroi have the potential of creating a similar relationship. That is probably wishful thinking though.
All good points. I wasn't talking about something I think could actually happen in the Outsider-verse, just hypothetically.

About your 2). and 3).: Don't underestimate cultural differences and their political repercussions, especially if the two political systems are entirely different. You see, the trouble is the Loroi are *too* similar to humans for us to ignore the fact they're essentially a military dictatorship responsible for at least two genocides of entire species. If they looked like the Umiak, humans would probably shrug and say "they're aliens, if this system works for them, who are we to judge them." But they're not, they're very human-like in appearance, which for the liberal-democratic Terrans will be a moral dilemma.

Even if humans actually join the Loroi as an ally, I imagine they'll be something between Finland and Yugoslavia in terms of their relations with the Soviet (Loroi) Union - they'll attempt to remain politically independent, yet moderately supportive in so far as they actually can provide any meaningful help. Human governments will probably avoid provoking the Loroi by criticizing their political system too much. At the same time humanity had better attempt to become militarily relevant enough to make itself not worth the trouble should Loroi get any ideas about imposing tougher control on human worlds (which may be an euphemism for direct military occupation). Humans definitely don't want to be Czechoslovakia, trusting the big brother sister too much and then get woken up one morning by tanks rolling down their streets.

Human democracy might be subversive to the Loroi society to some extent as well. I mean, it doesn't take much for individual Loroi to look at how Earth society works and ask themselves "well, if the humans can have a government where mostly everybody has at least *some* say in how things are run, why shouldn't we?" For the time being, they're too smug and self-righteous (and distracted by war) to admit to themselves that their government sucks, but if morale gets low and the knowledge of human political organization percolates to their worlds, things might get interesting. And by interesting I mean potentially very bad for humans ;)

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VonWolffe wrote: I agree with you, but;

1) I doubt many human women find vibrators physically attractive, they serve a different purpose.

2) You make a great point. Given the difficulties of star travel it is not as though piles of Loroi women will flock to humanity for stimulation. I think it would be more of an unspoken perk or option for Loroi who happen to work alongside humans or if the two races were to mingle or create colonies together someplace. It certainly wouldnt happen fast or ever become universal, I merely think that the Loroi and Humanity could become close friends over time as there is no biological or language barrier to keep them separate. The only issue appears to be culture, which can be overcome given time and rational understanding.

3) We are only a small race compared to the superpower of the Loroi, and the vast majority of the Loroi may never ever meet a Human. However Canada and the United States are perhaps the closest allies in the world with the largest undefended border in the world and a vast disparity in population too. The States could crush us like a bug, but we're friends and respect one another despite all the jokes we make at each other's expense. We have different cultures and ideals, but we offer one another a lot too. In the sense of a galactic community Humanity and the Loroi have the potential of creating a similar relationship. That is probably wishful thinking though.
1) Touche :D.

2) It probably is wishful thinking i'm sorry. But honestly i doubt we will ever see the loroi as nothing as intergalactic bullies. This relationship is nothing that we've chosen it's something thats been forced upon us by people whom we've never even met before. No friendship builds upon that equation.
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Yes, reading back over myself it is pretty naive to expect such a strong relationship with the Loroi to develop. While it would be my hope that our similarities would bring us closer together, that would require a lot of trust on the part of both parties, which I think neither are prepared to give. We're afraid of them and they are wary of us.

In the end I dont think that the terms of any alliance would be up to us, the Loroi are in the position to demand anything and everything from us under threat of annihilation. Human political or moral considerations will likely need to be dropped for survival's sake alone. While human sexual compatibility might be the best thing since... whatever the Loroi equivalent of sliced bread is, it is probably inconsequential to the story and not something the proud race of Loroi would admit to wanting a part of.
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VonWolffe wrote:Yes, reading back over myself it is pretty naive to expect such a strong relationship with the Loroi to develop. While it would be my hope that our similarities would bring us closer together, that would require a lot of trust on the part of both parties, which I think neither are prepared to give. We're afraid of them and they are wary of us.

In the end I dont think that the terms of any alliance would be up to us, the Loroi are in the position to demand anything and everything from us under threat of annihilation. Human political or moral considerations will likely need to be dropped for survival's sake alone. While human sexual compatibility might be the best thing since... whatever the Loroi equivalent of sliced bread is, it is probably inconsequential to the story and not something the proud race of Loroi would admit to wanting a part of.
You still think that Loroi and humans could get together? Let's think. A warrior-amazon race. They would look like Red Sonia or culturists or even worse - NRD swiming team. In comic they look great but in real life they are muscles not supermodels (one of internet rules states that irl everything is worse). Then second issue. As every species they are biologiclly atracted to THEIR males, who happen to be delicate or fragile. Only skinny, small nerds could get some... wait... nevermind...

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Jericho wrote:But i seriously doubt a loroi would really go in to shock but i do think they might be shocked at what goes on inside our heads. More like a "The Fck is this" kind of reaction. If they ever gets inside.
We'll find out their opinions once they get on the Internet. Unless the ITU has seized control and neutered it in the name of protecting corporate and religious interests the Loroi will be able to find out EXACTLY what goes on in our heads.

Loroi 1: "Hmmm, search for 'Loroi'"
Loroi 2: "OK, lots of pages here with their weird language"
Loroi 1: "Wait, that says 'Image Search' let's see what's there"
Loroi 2: "..."
Loroi 1: "..."
Loroi 2: "I'm going to close this, and then take a hot shower"
Loroi 1: "Sounds good, I'm going to sit in the corner and cry a little while staying out of sight of the windows"
Loroi 2: "Sounds like a plan"

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Jericho wrote:I wonder if human pornographic media would be interested in hiring loroi "actresses" (who am i kidding of course they would). If so would loroi females be interested? They don't really have any cultural objection of females being open about their sexuality (and i'm not talking about homosexuality) but they may find it unfitting for warriors to partake in such a lowly profession.
I personally see the human worlds as being a sort of escape zone for Loroi who are unhappy living in their own society, not unlike the number of people on Earth who leave their countries because they don't feel like they are on the right track. Human worlds will have plenty of opportunity for Loroi at many different levels from working in marketing so our companies can try to open up markets in Loroi space to being high-class escorts for the elite (unless there's a lot of them in which case availability will devalue them). If emigration is allowed by the Loroi government then we'll end up with a fair number of Loroi here, most will likely be civilians from less advantaged backgrounds who may or may not be capable of finding work here with their resume. I wouldn't be surprised if some ended up doing porn for the same reason a lot of human women end up doing porn, they wanted to do something else, but the bills came due before they got a break. Then there will probably be the outlier nymphos who want to come to Earth for sex and hey, if they're going to do it they might as well get paid. I don't expect that the percentage of Loroi doing porn will be wildly different than the percentage of human women, though the lucrativeness of it may drive the more profit minded in that direction at a higher rate.
Then there are the loroi males. I have no doubt they'd jump on the opportunity but would it even be legal? I'm pretty certain some conservative community would probably be able to link their childlike features to pedophilia regardless of any knowledge about loroi biology. Could it be possible that Loroi male and human female sex will be outlawed in human space?
I don't think it'll even be a thing. I'd bet money that males won't be allowed to emigrate or will have such severe restrictions that only the most persistent manage it. The number of Loroi males on Earth will probably be trivial and unnoticeable. I expect that anyone opposed to "race mixing" will be far too busy trying to stamp out interest in the females to worry about the males.

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VonWolffe wrote:Loroi men are for procreation, human men are for fun.
:D
All of this depends on the precedent that Alex sets of course. Godspeed my friend.
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