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How do you know?


It's been brought up several times. We already have artwork of him.

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http://well-of-souls.com/gallery/images/display.htm?loroi_male1.jpg

Ah, yes. There must be a hole in my head, since i´ve totally forgotten about him.

Thx for the hint!

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Are there different forms of matchmaking for each Loroi culture and what kind of differences are there?

I don't imagine too much variation because the core problems will be essentially the same, and because everyone will have to conform to some basic standards set by the central government. Some subcultures might ritualize the matchmaking process more than others. Some might be more lax in easing restrictions, such as in colonial areas where population growth was encouraged even in peacetime. Some might make a lottery out of it. If there was anywhere that a female could actually go and buy sex, it would probably be on Maia/Donei.

Pre-recontact Perrein also had a wrinkle in the sense that some males had a comparatively high status (being priests of the local religion), but were often sent to remote foreign communities "on loan" as a sort of exchange of hostages to prevent conflicts.

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If the males are not part of these female "families", do they have some kind of similar "family" connection between them? Like father, son and grandson?

Parent-child relationships are often not very strong in Loroi of either gender, because the parent usually takes very little direct role in raising the child, and so your mother is not very distinct from the numerous aunts and cousins and other adult women you grew up around. Parents who take a particular interest in their children may develop strong friendships with them, but there is usually not that automatic bond between mother and child that we are accustomed to. This relationship is probably even less common between fathers and sons, as fathers will rarely meet any of their offspring, unless perhaps the son joins the same local caste/order and they become acquainted that way.

Given the low male birth rates, brothers will be very rare. Most Loroi brothers are probably twins, who would have a special relationship above and beyond family. But again, this would be rare.

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What are the Loroi concepts of love? For a species in which pair bonding is likely nonexistent, I can't see them having a concept of romantic love. That could change, though, depending on Loroi attitudes towards homosexuality. As the Loroi do have family units and warrior crèches, I can see them having concepts of familial and platonic love.

Love is permitted and even encouraged, but attachment is not. Loroi females enjoy the mating encounters, and not just the physical aspect of them, and can develop strong affection for the male mating partner and remember the interaction fondly for many years thereafter, during the long periods in which she will be expected to go without having sex. However, because the males must be shared with other females, there are taboos against infatuation and jealousy. While healthy rivalry is encouraged between warrior females in nearly all matters, jealously over a male is considered a repugnant trait on par with dishonesty. Even just requesting a second encounter with the same male would be seen as a warning sign of potential attachment.

However, rules are made to be broken, and a female with sufficient power and privilege can, if she wishes, see a particular male more than once, or even have him allocated exclusively to herself. There are cases where male and female form permanent emotional attachments, but these are subjects of the kinds of tales that don't end well, resulting in high body counts and fallen kingdoms. When a female becomes obsessed with and refuses to share a male, this is viewed as a signal to her friends (and to her enemies) that she's about to go off the rails. So, if the female is still sensible, such things must be handled quietly, behind closed doors.

For their part, Loroi males are very emotional and feel very intensely, but they are often fickle and changeable, with short attention spans. Which I suppose is not that different from many human males. I'm reminded of a sequence from Finnian's Rainbow in which a Leprechaun is gradually becoming human: "Oh Sharon, you're the only one! Wait, you're not Sharon at all; you're Susan. Yet I feel the same frenzy for you! Is this what it's like to be mortal? Is every girl the only girl? I'm beginning to like it!"

Because attachment to a male is discouraged, the most important emotional attachments for a female Loroi are to her female friends and relatives. Sisterly affection can be very intense (as it is among humans), and this intimacy is increased by telepathic contact, especially when physically touching. This kind of contact is how most females satisfy their need for intimacy and emotional fulfillment. It is this telepathic stimulation (not sex) that is the primary glue that binds Loroi social groups together. This can be difficult for humans to appreciate, because of our tendency to think of intimacy exclusively in sexual terms.

Because of the intimacy of telepathic contact, homosexual activity is relatively rare, though in any biological system there will always be deviation. The idea of a "homosexual relationship" wouldn't make much sense to the Loroi, since they don't really have heterosexual "relationships" and they are not inherently monogamous. Instead, females might have a "normal" intimate friendship with one or more females, to which a sexual element was added.

A homosexual male Loroi would be in a very difficult position, as he would have very little opportunity for intimacy with other males.

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If two loroi girls decide to have sex, it will cause a condemnation of society?

I think the view of society will vary depending on subculture. On the one hand, Loroi traditions can be very rigid. On the other hand, such activity would be viewed by the Loroi as just a private behavior, whereas in our culture it is usually viewed as choosing a completely alternate lifestyle. And for the Loroi, sex is almost exclusively a private subject; public displays of sexuality (of any kind) would be very unusual and unwelcome. I think that in warrior culture, homosexuality might be considered a problem, not necessarily because there is anything "wrong" with such activity, but because in the military it's important to feel that the warrior next to you has your back, and is not going to either a) give preferential treatment to her sexual partners, or b) confront you at inopportune moments with unwanted sexual advances. And because the nature of telepathy makes it difficult to keep such things secret.

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Will Alex encounter a Loroi male sometime in the future?

His name is A Welcome Rain, he'll be coming on-board eventually to replace Tempest's Farseer, and yes he's a male on a warship, it's a thing they're trying.

There will probably be at least two, the other being the Emperor's nephew (Ashrain's grandfather).

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About industry: 1.Sex is an excellent means of removing nervous tension (for humans) and it is important for the war, with frequent extreme events. 2.Anyway a lot of things can be considered part of this industry - and the innocent candy in the form of hearts, and red-light districts. I mean, does they have the means of expressing sympathy and special favors? About relationships of girls again.

Because humans are monogamous, sex does a lot of things for us biochemically that help keep a pair together and happy. Organisms that are not monogamous will probably enjoy sex very much, but it won't necessarily have the same soothing effects that it has on us. Rutting stags don't seem very calmed by the act of sex; they have a lot of other females to impregnate in a short period of time.

There will certainly be an industry around the "red light districts" in which the encounters happen. Though I think the emphasis will usually be on an upscale experience, since everything is very official and sanctioned. I imagine something like the Japanese hanamachi districts in which the courtesans were quartered: very ornate and surrounded with much ceremony.

It's possible that some mating rituals might involve the females bringing ritual gifts, but since neither party chooses his or her partner, I doubt such gifting has reached the levels it has in Western society. And no, I don't think the Loroi females buy each other Valentine's Day cards.

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About react to human girls: Whether such contact cause conflict because of jealousy?

Jealousy between Loroi females is greatly frowned upon. A human female would have very little chance of being allowed to have sex with a Loroi male, so there wouldn't be much for a Loroi female to be jealous of.

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A homosexual male Loroi would be in a very difficult position, as he would have very little opportunity for intimacy with other males.


What? :o Don't they live in monasteries seperate from the females? You would think that the place that homosexual activity would occur is in a monestary seperate from the other gender.

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However, rules are made to be broken, and a female with sufficient power and privilege can, if she wishes, see a particular male more than once, or even have him allocated exclusively to herself. There are cases where male and female form permanent emotional attachments, but these are subjects of the kinds of tales that don't end well, resulting in high body counts and fallen kingdoms. When a female becomes obsessed with and refuses to share a male, this is viewed as a signal to her friends (and to her enemies) that she's about to go off the rails. So, if the female is still sensible, such things must be handled quietly, behind closed doors.


This really sounds like the recipe for a greek tragedy (get it? :) ).

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Parent-child relationships are often not very strong in Loroi of either gender, because the parent usually takes very little direct role in raising the child, and so your mother is not very distinct from the numerous aunts and cousins and other adult women you grew up around. Parents who take a particular interest in their children may develop strong friendships with them, but there is usually not that automatic bond between mother and child that we are accustomed to. This relationship is probably even less common between fathers and sons, as fathers will rarely meet any of their offspring, unless perhaps the son joins the same local caste/order and they become acquainted that way.


Will family bonds in general be explored in future chapters? I understand that a lot of characters have had very intemate experience with loss so I suppose it's going to be brought up in some awkward dialouge or something :lol:.

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What? Don't they live in monasteries seperate from the females? You would think that the place that homosexual activity would occur is in a monestary seperate from the other gender.

Males are constantly surrounded by females, even in the "monastic" orders. Male children are raised separately from the female children, but the caregivers are mostly female.

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Will family bonds in general be explored in future chapters? I understand that a lot of characters have had very intemate experience with loss so I suppose it's going to be brought up in some awkward dialouge or something.

Yes, some of these issues will be explored in the current chapter. The characters are going to be packed into a tight space with a lot of time and little to do other than talk.

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Love is permitted and even encouraged, but attachment is not. Loroi females enjoy the mating encounters, and not just the physical aspect of them, and can develop strong affection for the male mating partner and remember the interaction fondly for many years thereafter, during the long periods in which she will be expected to go without having sex. However, because the males must be shared with other females, there are taboos against infatuation and jealousy. While healthy rivalry is encouraged between warrior females in nearly all matters, jealously over a male is considered a repugnant trait on par with dishonesty. Even just requesting a second encounter with the same male would be seen as a warning sign of potential attachment.

However, rules are made to be broken, and a female with sufficient power and privilege can, if she wishes, see a particular male more than once, or even have him allocated exclusively to herself. There are cases where male and female form permanent emotional attachments, but these are subjects of the kinds of tales that don't end well, resulting in high body counts and fallen kingdoms. When a female becomes obsessed with and refuses to share a male, this is viewed as a signal to her friends (and to her enemies) that she's about to go off the rails. So, if the female is still sensible, such things must be handled quietly, behind closed doors.

For their part, Loroi males are very emotional and feel very intensely, but they are often fickle and changeable, with short attention spans. Which I suppose is not that different from many human males. I'm reminded of a sequence from Finnian's Rainbow in which a Leprechaun is gradually becoming human: "Oh Sharon, you're the only one! Wait, you're not Sharon at all; you're Susan. Yet I feel the same frenzy for you! Is this what it's like to be mortal? Is every girl the only girl? I'm beginning to like it!"

Because attachment to a male is discouraged, the most important emotional attachments for a female Loroi are to her female friends and relatives. Sisterly affection can be very intense (as it is among humans), and this intimacy is increased by telepathic contact, especially when physically touching. This kind of contact is how most females satisfy their need for intimacy and emotional fulfillment. It is this telepathic stimulation (not sex) that is the primary glue that binds Loroi social groups together. This can be difficult for humans to appreciate, because of our tendency to think of intimacy exclusively in sexual terms.

Because of the intimacy of telepathic contact, homosexual activity is relatively rare, though in any biological system there will always be deviation. The idea of a "homosexual relationship" wouldn't make much sense to the Loroi, since they don't really have heterosexual "relationships" and they are not inherently monogamous. Instead, females might have a "normal" intimate friendship with one or more females, to which a sexual element was added.

A homosexual male Loroi would be in a very difficult position, as he would have very little opportunity for intimacy with other males.


The taboo against attachment to a male makes a lot of sense, given the scarcity of males in the population. Jealousy amongst humans about romantic partners, when there are plenty of males and females such that sharing isn't necessary, is bad enough. Amongst the Loroi, well, I'm not surprised that their stories would show that such attachments "don't end well."

I forgot that the Loroi don't really have family structures that are similar to human family structures. There wouldn't really be parent-child connections. As you point out, those sisterly bonds must indeed be very, very important to the Loroi.

As for hetero- and homosexual relationships, it would make sense that they don't really have a concept of either, given that their concept of relationships in general aren't anything like ours. Given their concepts of relationships and their telepathy, what is Loroi sociability like? Telepathy would suggest the potential for very deep bonds, but it would also suggest that a Loroi could have a pretty large personal space bubble...

As a thought experiment, the Loroi are very interesting. I'm looking forward to reading more, Arioch.


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Arioch wrote:
Males are constantly surrounded by females, even in the "monastic" orders. Male children are raised separately from the female children, but the caregivers are mostly female.

Ah that explains it!

Arioch wrote:
Yes, some of these issues will be explored in the current chapter. The characters are going to be packed into a tight space with a lot of time and little to do other than talk.


Well this is gonna be fun

Alex: So you're thirteen and have a kid? :shock:. How is she? :D

Beryl: She died in the war :( .

Alex: Oh... :| (backs away slowly).

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The taboo against attachment to a male makes a lot of sense, given the scarcity of males in the population. Jealousy amongst humans about romantic partners, when there are plenty of males and females such that sharing isn't necessary, is bad enough. Amongst the Loroi, well, I'm not surprised that their stories would show that such attachments "don't end well."

I forgot that the Loroi don't really have family structures that are similar to human family structures. There wouldn't really be parent-child connections. As you point out, those sisterly bonds must indeed be very, very important to the Loroi.

As for hetero- and homosexual relationships, it would make sense that they don't really have a concept of either, given that their concept of relationships in general aren't anything like ours. Given their concepts of relationships and their telepathy, what is Loroi sociability like? Telepathy would suggest the potential for very deep bonds, but it would also suggest that a Loroi could have a pretty large personal space bubble...

As a thought experiment, the Loroi are very interesting. I'm looking forward to reading more, Arioch.


Sorry for the double post but something bothers me.

Beryl stated that frequent sexual encounters was good for their health (males) so wouldn't any loroi female who cared personally about a male simply allow other female's to "loan" him for the sake of his good health since she's clearly too important in society to babysit him all the time. Or is this one of the reasons it doesn't end well.

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Jericho wrote:

Sorry for the double post but something bothers me.

Beryl stated that frequent sexual encounters was good for their health (males) so wouldn't any loroi female who cared personally about a male simply allow other female's to "loan" him for the sake of his good health since she's clearly too important in society to babysit him all the time. Or is this one of the reasons it doesn't end well.


Well, only ten percent of the Loroi population is male. So, a Loroi male would never lack for sexual encounters, even in peacetime conditions. I would imagine that rather than being worried about a male's health, a matriarch would be more concerned with who the male was breeding with. You know, lineage, pedigree, and politics.


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Well, only ten percent of the Loroi population is male. So, a Loroi male would never lack for sexual encounters, even in peacetime conditions. I would imagine that rather than being worried about a male's health, a matriarch would be more concerned with who the male was breeding with. You know, lineage, pedigree, and politics.


Yes that would probably be a major concern. Makes you wonder if Loroi females may use males of rival families to spite each other. Sort of like a "I banged your mom, in your face" kind of insult.

That being said i wonder now how ancient Loroi may have dealt with males during their time of constant warfare. Would ancient Loroi tactics include purpously target enemy males for the purpose of hampering enemy reproductive capacity?
Or would they perhaps view such acts as unchivilrous and cowardly and prefer to take males alive for the purpose of reproduction with their own clan? If this is the case it would probably have helped against inbreeding in a species with very limited breeding pairs.

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Ismail Ibn Sharif, an Alaouite sultan, had 867 childrens and he still had to find time to rule his country. I don't think that taking couple of males from enemy would hamper their ability to breed.

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Ismail Ibn Sharif, an Alaouite sultan, had 867 childrens and he still had to find time to rule his country. I don't think that taking couple of males from enemy would hamper their ability to breed.


The amount of males a clan has will affect how many children every female can have before the clan is too closely related to itself too be healthy. So a large clan wouldn't really be that affected if they have suitable replacements. But a smaller clan will have to find new males quickly before their descendants starts losing toes.

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In a situation when a girl feels a sense of sympathy and admiration to the other girl, how she will be able to express your feelings? How she will reach mutual affection? And will? Or the feelings like this are not taken to show?


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Alexandr Koori wrote:
In a situation when a girl feels a sense of sympathy and admiration to the other girl, how she will be able to express your feelings? How she will reach mutual affection? And will? Or the feelings like this are not taken to show?


Telepathy makes it very diffecult to lie to another or hide information. If a loroi female has feelings for another all she really need is to have a mental conversation with her for the other loroi to "pick up the wibes" :D.
Other than that there is always telepanties :D.

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Alexandr Koori wrote:
In a situation when a girl feels a sense of sympathy and admiration to the other girl, how she will be able to express your feelings? How she will reach mutual affection? And will? Or the feelings like this are not taken to show?

She´ll probably wait until she´s the only one within telepatic range.

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In a situation when a girl feels a sense of sympathy and admiration to the other girl, how she will be able to express your feelings? How she will reach mutual affection? And will? Or the feelings like this are not taken to show?

She´ll probably wait until she´s the only one within telepatic range.


hehe that must be any interesting for a unsuspecting loroi, I imagine it would be like getting a sudden telepathy "text" that read |<3 U|.

however on a more serious note, wouldn't that kind of situation be frowned upon but the higher authorities. i know the Loroi have semi-hero worshiping of their famous heros (with the unfortunate tendancy or dying quickly), but i would expect lower ranked loroi to have "human form" of displaying respect telepathically to their higher ups.

also small question, how would two very "close" loroi be able to continue their "friendship" if they were on seperate ships? ( IE Ashrain having a step sister on another strike group in the reserve fleets or assign to a desk job on Cry of the Wind). I sure vid com's./text letters would be used (if possible/allowed) but missing the telepathical connection seems to me, of lossing the main essence of the sister-sister bond, some loroi would have.

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It seems as if Loroi society is almost heaven for a human who wants to laid by alien women, assuming Loroi women are like that.


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It seems as if Loroi society is almost heaven for a human who wants to laid by alien women, assuming Loroi women are like that.


I expect that, especially early on, there's going to be a LOT of hurdles to overcome to stand a chance of getting intimate with a Loroi. Even later I bet that the majority simply won't be interested in an alien and the ones that do you'll probably need to get on personality before anything physical happens.

I can totally see major ports having red light districts stocked with human males chosen for Loroi-like physical appearance late/post-war though.


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Alienscifi wrote:
It seems as if Loroi society is almost heaven for a human who wants to laid by alien women, assuming Loroi women are like that.


I expect that, especially early on, there's going to be a LOT of hurdles to overcome to stand a chance of getting intimate with a Loroi. Even later I bet that the majority simply won't be interested in an alien and the ones that do you'll probably need to get on personality before anything physical happens.


Humans don't have telepathy. In the absence of a telepathic link with the human male, the *only* way for a Loroi woman to establish intimacy with a human male is you-know-what.

What is interesting to ponder is the effect of introducing so many males (albeit slightly alien) to a society in which access to males is a privilege. Imagine what would go through at least some Loroi minds:

"OK, so there are these hot alien males who are obviously interested in sex as much as we are, there is no risk of getting pregnant when I don't want to, and I can basically have one all for myself and get away with it."

In a hypothetical mixed Loroi-Human population, this would probably be very disruptive.


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fredgiblet wrote:
That does bring up a question, are Listel abilities genetic?

Yes, the eidetic memory is a hereditary trait.

Mr Bojangles wrote:
Given their concepts of relationships and their telepathy, what is Loroi sociability like? Telepathy would suggest the potential for very deep bonds, but it would also suggest that a Loroi could have a pretty large personal space bubble...

Loroi will be taught from an early age to develop mental barriers to protect against unwanted intrusion and to tune out extraneous chatter, and telepathic message can be sent "privately" to specific recipients (though both barriers and private sendings can be defeated by a sufficiently skilled telepath). Some Loroi will be extroverted "chatty Cathies", and some will be more reserved and reclusive. Intensely intimate telepathic communication requires physical contact, which is not something done casually in Loroi society.

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In a situation when a girl feels a sense of sympathy and admiration to the other girl, how she will be able to express your feelings? How she will reach mutual affection? And will? Or the feelings like this are not taken to show?

Telepathic messages can be sent semi-privately, but females having affection for each other is considered completely normal. Most Loroi do not associate such affection with sexuality.

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however on a more serious note, wouldn't that kind of situation be frowned upon but the higher authorities. i know the Loroi have semi-hero worshiping of their famous heros (with the unfortunate tendancy or dying quickly), but i would expect lower ranked loroi to have "human form" of displaying respect telepathically to their higher ups.

As militaristic societies go, the Loroi are relatively informal; they don't salute, etc. And there isn't a class division between officer and enlisted. But it's true that it would not be considered professional for a high-ranking officer to display too close a friendship with her direct subordinates.

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also small question, how would two very "close" loroi be able to continue their "friendship" if they were on seperate ships? ( IE Ashrain having a step sister on another strike group in the reserve fleets or assign to a desk job on Cry of the Wind). I sure vid com's./text letters would be used (if possible/allowed) but missing the telepathical connection seems to me, of lossing the main essence of the sister-sister bond, some loroi would have.

As with humans, such relationships can be difficult to maintain at long distance. Often warriors are assigned to a post as a group with many of their friends and relatives from the same child-band; there is no prohibition against grouping relatives together (if an entire village's youths are wiped out with the loss of a single ship, well, tough luck). But as they age and rise in rank, there will be fewer of these friends around. By the time an officer is promoted to the rank of captain, she will probably have only a few trusted senior officers that she brings with her to the new command. Life can be lonely at the top.

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It seems as if Loroi society is almost heaven for a human who wants to laid by alien women, assuming Loroi women are like that.

It's almost as if it had been deliberately designed that way... :D

Here's a question nobody's asked yet: Can a male refuse sex?

The answer is yes, certainly. Sexual rights to a male can be transferred, and he generally has no say in who he is matched with, but males are not slaves, and sex must always be consensual; he always has the right to refuse sex if he doesn't approve of the partner. A male who is not interested in sex (for whatever reason) can refuse to be matched at all. As you might expect, it's difficult for a female to force herself on a male (in any meaningful way beyond pure physical abuse). However, such a refusal would be pretty rare; Loroi males are very good sports (and most Loroi females are healthy, good-looking people).

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Here's a question nobody's asked yet: Can a male refuse sex?


We didn't ask because it inconceivable to refuse pretty blue space elfves!


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What is interesting to ponder is the effect of introducing so many males (albeit slightly alien) to a society in which access to males is a privilege. Imagine what would go through at least some Loroi minds:

"OK, so there are these hot alien males who are obviously interested in sex as much as we are, there is no risk of getting pregnant when I don't want to, and I can basically have one all for myself and get away with it."


1. I don't think that Loroi will be interested in human males. If loroi guys are fragile and delicate, earth dudes will be treated as ugly quasimodo's. Jardin may pass, because off his boyish looks, but rest off us wouldn't be in loroi warrior's type.

2. I strongly opposse view that homosexuals may make warriors uncomfortable on battlefield. Some examples makes my point: Holy Theban regiment, Alexander of Macedon personal Company or entire Spartan warrior culture. Warriors with intimate contacts will less likely break the formation or abandon there love ones in the midst of battle. They still have normal families and kids. We are influenced by christianity and our thinking is often norrow minded (for instance Juluis Cesar was bisexual, like half of Roman nobles). We shouldn't think that a warrior cultere will be resembling more american army (witch soliders are afraid of gays) and less like a greek hoplites that didn't care much about orientation.

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http://well-of-souls.com/gallery/images/display.htm?loroi_male1.jpg


First of all... what a cutie! :)

...and ulp..haha.. just read the second page. Arioch pretty much answered all my concerns. I was starting to feel sorry for the male oroi... 'No love for you!' as their society seemed to have pretty much legislated/stratified away any concenr for the male's affection and perhaps need for love and personal relationship. But I see that their culture can't be ...judged{?} [not the word I'm really looking for..perhaps 'measured' is better?] in human terms... they are NOT human and the many partners and the specialized care the males are given would likely handle any such want of intimate personal relationships int heir lives.

Culturally they are 'pushed' to not get attached... it still seems.. perhaps from a human point of view.. a bit cold {though that may simply be MY personal romantic views... I being likely one of the dying few last true romantic in the male world.}

I've always felt... "all any man needs is one good woman to share his life with, to cherish above all others, to place the world at her feet as its queen and to be the focus of his love, devotion and dreams...", but heh... that's just me. Last romantic in the world.

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2. I strongly opposse view that homosexuals may make warriors uncomfortable on battlefield. Some examples makes my point: Holy Theban regiment, Alexander of Macedon personal Company or entire Spartan warrior culture.

In a society in which homosexuality or bisexuality is considered the norm, then of course I would not expect it to cause undue problems in the military. But among the Loroi I do not think it would be considered the norm, for the reasons I have mentioned.

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Mali wrote:
1. I don't think that Loroi will be interested in human males. If loroi guys are fragile and delicate, earth dudes will be treated as ugly quasimodo's. Jardin may pass, because off his boyish looks, but rest off us wouldn't be in loroi warrior's type.


Hm, this is an interesting dilemma. Even human females aren't really consistently sure of what a "sexy man" is. For some this means these walking testosteron-flooded muscle mountains with a bird brain, for others the more delicate, even slightly 'effeminate' men are attractive, with basically any combination of thereof you can imagine in between. Worse, this has been proven to depend on the part of their monthly cycle in which the woman currently is - when she's close to maximum fertility, she prefers more aggressive, masculine types. Later, she looks for more settled, more sensitive guys who would take care of her and be good fathers (for the children she just conceived with the aggressive macho :lol: ).

Loroi females are obviously different, but how and how exactly would that prevent them from finding human males attractive?

Are Loroi males more effeminate/submissive in their demeanour? Would less submissive behaviour from human males be a huge turn off, or the opposite? Since Loroi females spend most of their life completely separated from Loroi males, they don't really have much notion of what they are supposed to be like aside from what they've been told, right?

Physically, I don't see much problem there - if you find them attractive, the chances are they will find you attractive as well. Human males are obviously a bit taller than what they're used to, but that's about it. Speaking of which, WHY are Loroi males so small? What's the evolutionary pressure that overrides the tendency towards convergence? Furthermore, even though Loroi females may be used to being bigger than the males they mate with, it doesn't mean a tall male would automatically be ugly to them. Most human men are used to women who are smaller than them, but that doesn't prevent them from being attracted to taller women.

Finally, do Loroi females have a strong urge to procreate? Is it for them (consciously) the driving force behind desiring sex? Because if it is, then obviously human males are disqualified because they're biochemically (not to mention genetically) incompatible and thus can't father a child with them.


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Speaking of which, WHY are Loroi males so small? What's the evolutionary pressure that overrides the tendency towards convergence? .


Who says evolution has anything to do with the loroi? There are strong indications that they are just an artificially engineered race. They may very well have been designed that way for no reason.

Evolution would probably never create a mammal with males only being ten percent (i don't know of any real life examples). Nor do i think that evolution would create a male so fysically unfit for anything besides sperm donation (that on exists among fishes as far as i know).

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