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If they hadn't a personality, Historians would be poor personality constructs. From that it seems to follow that they can grow and learn. So they might come out of the factory all the same, but after a few tours of duty, Historians should be distinct individuals.


Of some reason I think of the EMH doctor on the Voyager.


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Quick question about the Historian A.I. constructs in general.

Do they have individual occupational preferences? i.e. Would they prefer to be a diplomat instead of something lowly like a garbage disposal supervisor?

This assumes that the same positions need constructs of the same capabilities and power requirements, and not tailored for their intended tasks. Instead of you know, the garbage management entity would be a more lower level AI, which might not even be sentient, because it's job doesn't require full sentience.

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I wonder because I can imagine an A.I. recoiling at the thought of being relegated to a videogame opponent for angry teenagers.

well, depends whether they have AI criminals, and a justice/penal system to deal with them ... ;)


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My new theory is that Alex will at some point come into diplomatic contact with the Umiak, and be served typical umiak food, which is essentially a human-style banquet, and immediately switch allegiance.


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Is there a particular reason why the Umiak haven't moved over to a text-based version of the general trade language for communication with non-umiak, rather than go through the trouble of the machine-translation that can still leave things ambiguous?
Are their mind-sets / thought pattern so closely linked to their spoken language that even writing in another language would have the same problem?


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Is there a particular reason why the Umiak haven't moved over to a text-based version of the general trade language for communication with non-umiak, rather than go through the trouble of the machine-translation that can still leave things ambiguous?
Are their mind-sets / thought pattern so closely linked to their spoken language that even writing in another language would have the same problem?

Diplomatic or intelligence specialists might learn Trade and use something like that, but I don't think regular warship officers would have any reason to. They are not normally in communication with the enemy.

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How long does it take for an Umiak to fully mature?


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Since the Umiak often makethemselves cyborgs, would they have a way to protect the cybernetics from an EMP say from the after effects of a nuclear bomb or a thermal storm?


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How long does it take for an Umiak to fully mature?

Well, as with all things Umiak, there's quite a bit of variation, and complete data is in short supply, even to some Umiak individuals themselves. The majority of Umiak captured and examined by the Loroi know very little about their own parentage, upbringing, or even their true ages. Umiak are egg-layers, and so even in the days of purely "natural" reproduction, parentage could be and often was anonymous... but it seems clear that in the modern war environment, the Umiak tamper with the process at a number of different levels.

Most of the Umiak that the Loroi encounter are of the Hal-tik subspecies, but there are a wide variety of strains. At one end of the spectrum there is the archetypal "pure-strain" Hal-tik Umiak, which is presumed to be closely related to their nomadic ancestors on the enigmatic homeworld. As near as Loroi intelligence can tell, a pure-strain Hal-tik is physically mature at about age 12, and would typically enter military service around age 14-20. Tests looking for biochemical signs of true age put most Umiak of this category between 14 and 50 years of age, with the median being at the low end. Even this group have genetic markers that suggest gene tampering, and so many or even most may be conceived artificially, even if they are later hatched and raised normally.

Toward the other end of the spectrum, a more numerous group of Umiak found board ships are physically similar to the pure-strain, but genetically very different. Some of these individuals test chemically to be as young as 5 or 6, even though they appear to be fully trained for starship duty. These Umiak themselves do not have an explanation for this apparent discrepancy, even under deep telepathic scans... though the interrogators in some cases glimpsed fragmentary half-remembered images of hellish, overpopulated body farms that would not be out of place in The Matrix. Loroi intelligence speculates that such Umiak are genetically engineered for rapid maturation, fertilized in vitro and vat-grown at an accelerated rate, and they suspect that there may even be some brain-taping going on. The Loroi refer to this population derisively as litipodi ("wrigglers"), in reference to a small, primitive, fast-breeding Taben marine organism sometimes studied by schoolchildren.

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Since the Umiak often makethemselves cyborgs, would they have a way to protect the cybernetics from an EMP say from the after effects of a nuclear bomb or a thermal storm?

Like any military hardware at this tech level, implants for combat cyborgs would need to have some degree of hardening against electromagnetic pulses.

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Most importantly, do Umiak taste like lobster? :mrgreen:


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Most importantly, do Umiak taste like lobster? :mrgreen:

Most things will if they're fresh-frozen, Chef!


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Most importantly, do Umiak taste like lobster? :mrgreen:

No. Umiak meat is black, stringy and acrid.

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orion1836 wrote:
Most importantly, do Umiak taste like lobster? :mrgreen:

No. Umiak meat is black, stringy and acrid.


Would a Barsam, or even better, a Nissek, find it nutrious? :mrgreen:

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Arioch wrote:
orion1836 wrote:
Most importantly, do Umiak taste like lobster? :mrgreen:

No. Umiak meat is black, stringy and acrid.


Would a Barsam, or even better, a Nissek, find it nutrious? :mrgreen:

Barsam don't eat meat.

The Nissek haven't really been on the Umiak front, so I doubt they've had the opportunity.

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orion1836 wrote:
Most importantly, do Umiak taste like lobster? :mrgreen:

No. Umiak meat is black, stringy and acrid.

We'll label it space-kale, market it as the new hip superfood, and make a fortune!


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Mmmmm, Soylent Blank is Umiak.


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So I was wondering on 2 questions.

Will we find out how big Umiak space is during the comic.

Will we see a spacebattle between the historians and the Umiak.


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Will we find out how big Umiak space is during the comic.

Will we see a spacebattle between the historians and the Umiak.

Known Umiak space is roughly this big:
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There is a limit to how much bigger it can be, since past a certain point it reaches the boundary of the local bubble, indicated by the contour lines.

As for the rest, I don't think it's a good idea to say what will or won't happen in the future comic pages.

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Do the Umiak get genetic disorders with there artificial/ possible cloning or do they have the technology to fix this.


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Do the Umiak get genetic disorders with there artificial/ possible cloning or do they have the technology to fix this.

Currently we have problems with cloning and direct manipulation of genes because we don't really understand the epigenetics (how the genes are expressed, in addition to changes in the DNA itself) and other interactions. But they'd need to understand that to do it successfully, which they obviously have.

There will always be unexpected consequences of genome changes and errors in the process, but one advantage of artificial reproduction is that you can just make changes for the next batch; you don't really have to worry about hereditary disorders because there are no natural offspring.

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Arioch wrote:
Daegondrake wrote:
Do the Umiak get genetic disorders with there artificial/ possible cloning or do they have the technology to fix this.

Currently we have problems with cloning and direct manipulation of genes because we don't really understand the epigenetics (how the genes are expressed, in addition to changes in the DNA itself) and other interactions. But they'd need to understand that to do it successfully, which they obviously have.

There will always be unexpected consequences of genome changes and errors in the process, but one advantage of artificial reproduction is that you can just make changes for the next batch; you don't really have to worry about hereditary disorders because there are no natural offspring.


So its like with the Asgard from Stargate SG1. They ran out of viable DNA to clone that could not be corrupted during the process.

Now with a clone race like this, is there a chance that they could suffer greatly from disease as there is little room for adjustments, or how have they dealt with that in the past and present?


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So its like with the Asgard from Stargate SG1. They ran out of viable DNA to clone that could not be corrupted during the process.

Now with a clone race like this, is there a chance that they could suffer greatly from disease as there is little room for adjustments, or how have they dealt with that in the past and present?

The Umiak aren't clones; they aren't simple copies of a single genome. The mechanical problems of the cloning process (degradation of the source material) can be solved at TL10+ just by editing out the errors, but the primary disadvantage to using troops who are identical copies of each other is that there is no diversity; a flaw in one is a flaw in all of them. And while it's clear that most of the Umiak the Loroi encounter have been genetically engineered, they are not identical. On the contrary, the diversity is extreme.

The Umiak never do anything only one way, and so there undoubtedly a variety of different processes at work here, but what they are probably doing in the majority of cases is that they have a library of genetic sources, some of which are manually modified, and then they induce artificial mitosis and fertilize the resulting gametes in vitro with other gametes from a different genetic source. This results in the same sort of diversity that you would see in a naturally conceived individual, but with precise control over the parental genomes, and quality control over the resulting embryo. The embryo is either implanted into an egg to be hatched conventionally, or it is introduced into a special artificial womb of sorts to be matured at an accelerated rate.

Genetic manipulation can introduce new diseases through technical errors in the process, or through unintended interactions with other genes, but any such errors can be fixed in the next batch, and any diseases or disorders in the current generation aren't passed on, since there is no next generation, because the Umiak aren't breeding naturally. Well, most of them, anyway.

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Arioch wrote:
orion1836 wrote:
Most importantly, do Umiak taste like lobster? :mrgreen:

No. Umiak meat is black, stringy and acrid.


I... did not expect an answer to that question.


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Arioch wrote:
Daegondrake wrote:
Will we find out how big Umiak space is during the comic.

Will we see a spacebattle between the historians and the Umiak.

Known Umiak space is roughly this big:
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There is a limit to how much bigger it can be, since past a certain point it reaches the boundary of the local bubble, indicated by the contour lines.

As for the rest, I don't think it's a good idea to say what will or won't happen in the future comic pages.


In other words...BIG. Then you have issues such as birthrate, and industrial production rate.


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A Historian Question: How fast do you think the pocket Historian it read through and analyzed the data on the Human ship, particularly Alex's record.

Would you also say it has a firm understanding of him from those records?


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A Historian Question: How fast do you think the pocket Historian it read through and analyzed the data on the Human ship, particularly Alex's record.

Would you also say it has a firm understanding of him from those records?

Let's put it this way: the Historian's message displays a pretty firm grasp of English, right down to witticisms involving the trademark symbol and the PORN alien head icon, so I think it's logical to assume that it read and processed most or all of what was in Bellarmine's data banks.

However, the Pocket Historian™ is now running in a data pad, which presumably does not have the storage capacity to fit everything that was in Bellarmine's data banks, much less the entire intellect and experience that we might expect a Historian to have, so it's important to consider that the Pocket Historian™ is a scaled down version of a Historian construct. We should expect that the information it has at hand is going to be limited; it may not even know the full reasoning behind its mission. So, what the Historians now know about Alex may or may not be the same set of information that the Pocket Historian™ knows about Alex.

In the upcoming pages we will get some more concrete examples of what the Historian construct is able to do.

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