Re: Writing Prompts
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:03 pm
speaking of the stories... I am dearly missing them. Just re-read Beacons and I really hope to see more. All y'all rock.
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I'm guessing it's because the canon story progressed differently that people speculated in Beacons. IIRC, that has happened before and was handled pretty well. I as a reader would be perfectly fine it the Beacons story would continue along the path that's already established as an alternative plot line/expanded universe and not try to realign with canon.Werra wrote:But Beacons seems to have run into a collective writers block.
dragoongfa wrote:[...]
"And that's exactly where my plan hinges on. I don't want you to just deny everyone with the excuse of my truly limited time but to have those interested earn my time through the both of you which is where the boon for us all come in. Let's say that a possible way to earn some time with me is by assisting in the maintenance of the ship in their free time or by having being exemplar in performing their duties, I am willing to allocate some of my free time each day for those you two deem that they have earned said time. Do you two thing think that we can setup a system where those interested can earn my time and attention?" The two Loroi first looked at each other for a few long moments before turning their attention back to him.
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dragoongfa wrote:"It is but not arbitrarily, a valid reason must be given and those usually involve the safety, health or status of the male. A denied female has the write right to lodge a complaint if she believes that she was unjustly denied her due rights to meet with a male and the caretakers will be severely punished if their reasons weren't valid." He nodded at that, he already knew that after having talked about this with Beryl the previous day and his plan hinged on exactly that.
That's for two reasons, the aliens that we have seen so far aren't exactly pleasant to be around and because of the Loroi telepathic bias. You can't exactly be friendly with aliens who aren't pleasant with you while also sensing how unpleasant you are to them. Humans however fill a really weird niche, impossible to sense at first but still pleasant to look at and socialize with while also being telepaths once they open to you. As far as alien civilizations go Humans are a quite pleasant unexplored territory for the average Loroi.Werra wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect
You guys are very optimistic when it comes to our chances.
What reason would the Loroi have allowing such an integration of personel? Even once humanity has ships that can perform alongside Loroi ones, the crews will still be separated by hundreds of thousands of kilometres of space. I see no benefit that would convince the xenophobic, isolationist and racial supremacist*
We humans don't hand technology to each other and I doubt that the Loroi actually shared their tech between their sister worlds after reunification. What I have in mind is that humanity either becomes a full fledged member of the Union with warrior privileges or a friendly/allied independent state. I would like to point out that Puerto Rico may be subpar to live in when compared with the mainland US but it is arguably a better place to live in when compared with the rest of the Carribean and most of South America.Loroi to essentially hand humanity their technology and know-how for free. It's far more likely that humanity ends up like Puerto Rico.
A self sustaining Loroi population out of Union control is a political imposibility, nevermind the status of immigrants and all that the Union would not allow Loroi males to be out of their sight.An integration of Loroi into our society also carries with it risks. First of all, Loroi can breed extremely quickly. If Loroi High Command decides to establish ~20 million Loroi on earth, that would turn a possible war between us and them into a future Loroi civil war. If the Loroi settle 40 million people, there might not even be much the human military can do to dislodge 20 million warriors (and Teidar) before the Imperial Fleet is in orbit. The idea of a melting pot is nice and all, but it doesn't work well with different species. that can't interbreed like Tigers and Lions can.
Lastly, developing new tools such as telepathy could make humanity stronger, but at first it would weaken us. Considering telepathy in particular, the social upheavals of a humanity with an inherently truthful mode of communication would be mind blowing. We'd not only have to develop a completely new ruleset for communication and interpersonal behaviour, we'd also have to restructure society and every single form of government we have ever come up with. Just imagine 2016 if Trump couldn't bullshit thanks to the telepathic rumour mill and Clinton would be forced to earnestly answer questions such as:"You really knew nothing about Eppsteins island?"
*Worst part is, they're correct.
Yes, the introduction of telepathy would cause sincere upheavals.Werra wrote:Lastly, developing new tools such as telepathy could make humanity stronger, but at first it would weaken us. Considering telepathy in particular, the social upheavals of a humanity with an inherently truthful mode of communication would be mind blowing. We'd not only have to develop a completely new ruleset for communication and interpersonal behaviour, we'd also have to restructure society and every single form of government we have ever come up with. Just imagine 2016 if Trump couldn't bullshit thanks to the telepathic rumour mill and Clinton would be forced to earnestly answer questions such as:"You really knew nothing about Eppsteins island?"
That's true. Humans are a special case and in Beacons doubly so. The particulars remain to be seen and humanity might work especially well with the Loroi. But the easier they can integrate us into their Union, the higher our risk of losing independence. If both nations were to start on even footing, then I'd be more hopeful for a mutual partnership. As things stand now, the Loroi will have ample opportunity to influence our government in whatever way they like before we can become a credible power in space.dragoongfa wrote:That's for two reasons, the aliens that we have seen so far aren't exactly pleasant to be around and because of the Loroi telepathic bias. You can't exactly be friendly with aliens who aren't pleasant with you while also sensing how unpleasant you are to them. Humans however fill a really weird niche, impossible to sense at first but still pleasant to look at and socialize with while also being telepaths once they open to you. As far as alien civilizations go Humans are a quite pleasant unexplored territory for the average Loroi.
Well, humans either serve on Loroi ships and learn there or they don't serve. Allowing aliens on their warships must be seen as a considerable boon from the Loroi, which they will ask concessions for. The Loroi would be naive if they wouldn't push for as much control over humanity as possible. Warrior privileges will be the first thing the Loroi should be aiming to take from us, as without our own fleet, we'll be bound to them just like the Neridi are.dragoongfa wrote:We humans don't hand technology to each other and I doubt that the Loroi actually shared their tech between their sister worlds after reunification. What I have in mind is that humanity either becomes a full fledged member of the Union with warrior privileges or a friendly/allied independent state.
That's the beauty of it. A self sustaining Loroi population would create Union territory. Either that or they could serve as a Loroi minority that needs to be protected. Why would the Loroi leave humanity with enough authority to make earth citizens out of Loroi? Puerto Rico couldn't do that to US nationals stationed or living there and they have little means to resist such stationing.dragoongfa wrote:A self sustaining Loroi population out of Union control is a political imposibility, nevermind the status of immigrants and all that the Union would not allow Loroi males to be out of their sight.
dragoongfa wrote:All new starts are hard and painful but the long term benefits are far too great to be ignored and yes I would love to see the shitshow of politicians and all other leaders having to be truthful on all occassions
I'm curious how long it would take until women stopped asking stuff like:"Does this make my ass look fat?" or "How do you like my new haircut?" Generations...Krulle wrote:Yes, the introduction of telepathy would cause sincere upheavals.
I doubt exoplanetary real estate in Earths' neighbourhood is sufficient and human-friendly enough to support such a population. If Aldea is a typical example, colonisation takes more then just transporting people outthere. In Outsider humanity is roughly 50-60 years relocating the willing, and hasn't even come close to making a serious increase in offworlders compared to the homeworld population.dragoongfa wrote: As for the Loroi minority, if said minority does appear in Human space. Humans may not compare to the Loroi in terms of reproductive potential but the Loroi are heavily constrained by their societal limits on reproduction in a way that allows humans to easily outpace the Loroi births/migration. The human population explosion the past 100 years is proof enough, going from 1.3 billions at the 1900s to 6,5+ in the 2000s. Humanity in Outsider is around 25 billions almost all of them on Earth. With enough space, food and incentives we can easily double that in 20 to 30 years, add in longevity technology and artificial wombs and you can easily reach 100 bil in 50 to 60 years provided you have the room and food production to match.
That's more of an issue of established infrastructure, transportation technology and economic growth. An Earthbound example would be the colonization of the Americas by Europe, the colonies took centuries to become able to absorb the excess populations of Europe without much issue (barring societal friction). Transportation technology was limited, slow and dangerous, Infrastructure was non existent and economic growth was borderline with the exception of the looted gold and silver from South and Central America.GeoModder wrote:I doubt exoplanetary real estate in Earths' neighbourhood is sufficient and human-friendly enough to support such a population. If Aldea is a typical example, colonisation takes more then just transporting people outthere. In Outsider humanity is roughly 50-60 years relocating the willing, and hasn't even come close to making a serious increase in offworlders compared to the homeworld population.dragoongfa wrote: As for the Loroi minority, if said minority does appear in Human space. Humans may not compare to the Loroi in terms of reproductive potential but the Loroi are heavily constrained by their societal limits on reproduction in a way that allows humans to easily outpace the Loroi births/migration. The human population explosion the past 100 years is proof enough, going from 1.3 billions at the 1900s to 6,5+ in the 2000s. Humanity in Outsider is around 25 billions almost all of them on Earth. With enough space, food and incentives we can easily double that in 20 to 30 years, add in longevity technology and artificial wombs and you can easily reach 100 bil in 50 to 60 years provided you have the room and food production to match.