Page 126: Oh my~

[Arioch]

Like I do once every new page goes live I went and read this chapter from the beginning, and I couldn't help but notice a slight inconsistency.

On page 124 Beryl is clearly on Alex's right side looking over his shoulder at the terminal, then on the next page we get a close up of her looking at the screen. You can tell she hasn't moved from her spot because of her sight angle in relation to the door behind her. Yet on page 126 she has apparently moved to Alex's left side because she is immediately falling into his lap.

I'm fine with rationalizing that away, maybe she went to that side to look at something in detail, (dunno why should would be but w.e)or perhaps she was on her way to another seat that was on the left. I just couldn't help but notice.

Beryl moved behind Talon to observe the conversation with the Clearbrook, but this is not depicted in any of the panels. The proper fix is probably to add her in behind Talon in the second panel of 126.

[Siber]

...I doubt that it is physically possible to put out more strength with the same mass of muscle tissue...

I'm not an expert on biology by any means, but I'd be surprised if our evolution had found the theoretical physical limit of muscle performance. I would expect that there exists a more efficient cell structure or some chemical trick we've missed that would improve them. I could always be wrong, though.

Regarding the fact that she is wearing armor and the collision will be painful for Alex, by the looks of things she will be landing on his legs and torso. The impact will be unpleasant but it is still not as painful as it would be if she lands on his privates. That would hurt even if she wore the softest clothing imaginable

Seems worth noting too that Loroi armor isn't metal, it's some advanced plastic-like material of varying stiffness depending on what part of the armor you are talking about. It probably isn't soft, though.

[orion1836]

Never have I wanted a subsequent page more, lol!

Imagine (many years from now I'm sure), someone stumbling across a completed Outsider comic and being able to read the entire thing without stopping.

If Outsider went to a page a week, it would make my decade.

[Diodri]

Like I do once every new page goes live I went and read this chapter from the beginning, and I couldn't help but notice a slight inconsistency.

On page 124 Beryl is clearly on Alex's right side looking over his shoulder at the terminal, then on the next page we get a close up of her looking at the screen. You can tell she hasn't moved from her spot because of her sight angle in relation to the door behind her. Yet on page 126 she has apparently moved to Alex's left side because she is immediately falling into his lap.

I'm fine with rationalizing that away, maybe she went to that side to look at something in detail, (dunno why should would be but w.e)or perhaps she was on her way to another seat that was on the left. I just couldn't help but notice.

Beryl moved behind Talon to observe the conversation with the Clearbrook, but this is not depicted in any of the panels. The proper fix is probably to add her in behind Talon in the second panel of 126.

It must be rough, having every single line of your web comic being meticulously scanned by... you know, I'm not sure how much traffic the site gets... But it's being scanned by at least 258 people according to Patreon. I can't imagine the amount of work that goes into keeping the continuity straight.


As for the romance, I'm all for it, but shipping characters together and typical romantic tropes are probably baggage that Outsiders doesn't need. It's awesome just the way it is.

[Mr Bojangles]

Yay, new page!

As for the page itself, I agree that there's nothing romantic going on here, but there are far worse things to have fall in one's lap.

Unless the Soia-Liron species have a radically different approach in how their muscles are actually made up I doubt that it is physically possible to put out more strength with the same mass of muscle tissue. Maybe the Soian's could somehow make muscle tissue more durable and less prone to strains and fatigue damage but the way muscles are built and work don't give any wiggle room to the basic principle of bigger = stronger and judging by the muscle monsters that are the Barsam I doubt that the Soians had any more size efficient alternative.

Given what we've been told about the Loroi, it seems unlikely that their musculature is radically different from our own. I'd guess that Loroi suffer less muscle fatigue than a human of similar mass and fitness level due to their more efficient metabolisms. As for getting more strength out of muscle fiber without increasing its cross sectional area - perhaps different proteins in different structures?

[icekatze]

hi hi

Even among our closest primate relatives, there is a lot of variation in muscle strength. For a muscle of equal mass, chimpanzees have approximately 1.35 times the strength of humans, for example.

One of the fundamental limitations of muscle strength is the connective tissue between individual cells, which is part of why very small animals like ants have proportionally more strength than larger animals. If Loroi muscle tissue has connective tissue that is less prone to tearing at the cellular level, then they could have stronger muscles without changing much else.

[Username]

Beryl moved behind Talon to observe the conversation with the Clearbrook, but this is not depicted in any of the panels. The proper fix is probably to add her in behind Talon in the second panel of 126.

Ah, that makes sense. Sorry for being a stickler about it.

[Arioch]

Beryl moved behind Talon to observe the conversation with the Clearbrook, but this is not depicted in any of the panels. The proper fix is probably to add her in behind Talon in the second panel of 126.

Ah, that makes sense. Sorry for being a stickler about it.

Not at all; it's something that I was thinking about but didn't resolve. Your comment led to my thinking of a decent way to resolve it.

It's a higher priority right now to get page 127 done, but I'll eventually go back and fix it.

[Krulle]

It must be rough, having every single line of your web comic being meticulously scanned by... you know, I'm not sure how much traffic the site gets... But it's being scanned by at least 258 people according to Patreon. I can't imagine the amount of work that goes into keeping the continuity straight.

Well, there IS a fix for that.
Update faster, so that the fans focus more on the story when discussing instead of some obscure and story-wise irrelevant detail.

But then, we fans expect to get weeks to dissect a page. And yet, we find most relevant stuff very early after publication.

[CF2]

If they're expending their reserves and leaving the shuttle behind, then lining up the speeding ships to set up an umbilical will be tense indeed. I imagine Alex is at the very least hoping there will be an umbilical to dash through, as he has probably had all of the propulsion-less EVA he wants to.

[GeoModder]

If they're expending their reserves and leaving the shuttle behind, then lining up the speeding ships to set up an umbilical will be tense indeed. I imagine Alex is at the very least hoping there will be an umbilical to dash through, as he has probably had all of the propulsion-less EVA he wants to.

Simple solution: stop accelerating for the time needed to attach the umbilical and transfer to the frigate.
The Enemy has only just arrived at Leido, its not like they will be able to intercept anything within the next few hours.

A question for Arioch. Is the Clearbrook's CO older then Stillstorm? From how I see it she looks the elder warrior.

[SVlad]

The proper fix is probably to add her in behind Talon in the second panel of 126.

By the way, is there a way to track such silent updates? Maybe, RSS feed or something?
PS
For now I've wrote a script, that downloads all pages of the comics and compare it with my local backup copy. Found more than 20 updated pages across whole story.

[discord]

Dragoon: just chiming in on the strength thing, humans are most assuredly not the strongest on earth pound for pound, even given similar body shapes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDxg0pJAX4 <--- orangutans are silly strong with enough grip strength to actually crush your tibia(lower leg bone) simply by grabbing your leg too hard.

we are on the other hand one of the(probably just THE) best land based long distance runners.

[ShadowDragon8685]

If they're expending their reserves and leaving the shuttle behind, then lining up the speeding ships to set up an umbilical will be tense indeed. I imagine Alex is at the very least hoping there will be an umbilical to dash through, as he has probably had all of the propulsion-less EVA he wants to.

More importantly, he probably no longer has an EVA suit sized for him, and it doesn't seem that typical Loroi shipboard gear fits him, boots aside.

A question for Arioch. Is the Clearbrook's CO older then Stillstorm? From how I see it she looks the elder warrior.

IIRC, Arioch said that recently (in terms of this war, at least,) Stillstorm lost both of her daughters in battle, and she cut her hair short in mourning. Given how long her hair is now, and that Arioch said that Loroi hair grows no faster than human hair, that should say something about how sodding long this war has been going on.

[Arioch]

Well, there IS a fix for that.
Update faster, so that the fans focus more on the story when discussing instead of some obscure and story-wise irrelevant detail.

Since the nitpicks start on the same day as the page is posted, there's hole in this logic.

It really doesn't bother me. All feedback is welcome. I only feel the need to revise things when I think they're important.
There are actually several other continuity errors in the last few pages that I'd like to get around to fixing, but they're not as important. And there are some that are deliberate but really minor (such as the direction of lighting, etc.).

A question for Arioch. Is the Clearbrook's CO older then Stillstorm? From how I see it she looks the elder warrior.

She's probably over 50, but Stillstorm is a lot older than that. However, whether you're 50 or 150, all the hard fighting has been in the last 25 years. "It's not the years, honey... it's the mileage."

The proper fix is probably to add her in behind Talon in the second panel of 126.

By the way, is there a way to track such silent updates? Maybe, RSS feed or something?
For now I've wrote a script, that downloads all pages of the comics and compare it with my local backup copy. Found more than 20 updated pages across whole story.

I know this has been an issue, so I'll think of ways to notify for retroactive changes. RSS could work, though it's kind of a pain.

[raistlin34]

Dragoon: just chiming in on the strength thing, humans are most assuredly not the strongest on earth pound for pound, even given similar body shapes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDxg0pJAX4 <--- orangutans are silly strong with enough grip strength to actually crush your tibia(lower leg bone) simply by grabbing your leg too hard.

we are on the other hand one of the(probably just THE) best land based long distance runners.

Also, we have better aim and muscle coordination.

[Dorfington]

Also, we have better aim and muscle coordination.

I do believe that we are one of the very few animals that use projectiles.

[Gorbash]

More importantly, he probably no longer has an EVA suit sized for him, and it doesn't seem that typical Loroi shipboard gear fits him, boots aside.

Fireblade's gear fits him well enough, thought it seems like by Loroi standards that might be the same as saying "Shaquille O'Neal's boots fit him well enough".

I do believe that we are one of the very few animals that use projectiles.

Yep, though our ability to making "targeting calculations" is especially unusual. Chimps and other primates tend to be okay at flinging things, but even ignoring the differences of leverage our posture gives us, the amount of hand-eye coordination we display in accurate long-distance throwing is something beyond pretty much every other species on the planet.

In regards to chimps... while for the most part the difference in strength seems to stem from long muscle fibers within their tissue, its worth noting that your average chimpanzee also puts at least the amount of motive effort into their arms that your average human does in their legs (what with relying much more heavily on them for motion). Chimpanzee arms tend to be visibly built up, too. Muscle strength requires muscle stress; unless their creators really tweaked their genetics a lot, we should be able to see some of that in arm width, shoulder breadth, and general stance (like we can on Fireblade).

I think its possible that your average Loroi may be stronger than your average human, even after making up for appropriate leverage differences, but I suspect Loroi in Beryl's position (practically a Mentat) don't bench-press much higher than Jarden would.

[dragoongfa]

I think its possible that your average Loroi may be stronger than your average human, even after making up for appropriate leverage differences, but I suspect Loroi in Beryl's position (practically a Mentat) don't bench-press much higher than Jarden would.

Lets universally agree in keeping Human men capable of impressing Loroi with a warrior like attribute

[icekatze]

hi hi

It is my understanding that whoever designed the Loroi may have made them look like humans, but in the process of porting the functionality over to the Soia-Liron standard, they rewrote the code from the ground up. Now, it would be presumptuous of me to guess at the Soia's intentions in creating the Loroi, but if they'd wanted to, I think it is entirely possible for them to have given the Loroi innately better than human strength. Or maybe they just assumed that having telekinesis didn't require physical strength.

Since Alex doesn't have a space suit, I wonder does the shuttle have any emergency inflatable pods?