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Arioch wrote: Talon & Spiral's post-graduation leave was cut short due to the need to rapidly deploy their unit into action; Spiral did not conceive in the shortened time available, and Talon's leave was suspended pending disciplinary action.
So, was the whole their diral deployed as interceptor fighters childless, or was it only two of them so unlucky?
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SVlad wrote:
Arioch wrote: Talon & Spiral's post-graduation leave was cut short due to the need to rapidly deploy their unit into action; Spiral did not conceive in the shortened time available, and Talon's leave was suspended pending disciplinary action.
So, was the whole their diral deployed as interceptor fighters childless, or was it only two of them so unlucky?
No, they had an abbreviated mating stint, but I imagine that more than half of the group still managed to get pregnant before they were transferred.

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I do like the level of world building going on in this series.

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Fighters and bombers for most of the last hundred years have usually been for support and harassment. There are aircraft designed specifically for air to ground combat. Most of this might not be needed at this point of combat as air to ground can be done via orbit by battle cruisers (like with the Glassing a Planet in the Halo series). This said, they might work more like with world war two with protecting bombers for key installations or destroying shipyards and battleships.

This would also be where you might have airplanes that focus on destroying key parts of a ship or do heavy damage to ships. Some might focus on taking out other fighters to protect the previous mentioned bombers or anti large ships, or even a combination to exploit different areas.

So, I can beleive in fighters. I would loose some believable if we start seeing mecha, but only if they are being then say Appleseed's Landmaid or EXO Squad's EXO Suit. Even then, I can think of most of them mostly being construction vehicles for loading and construction like the Power Loader in Aliens or Star Crafts SVC, with anything military being a step up from that (also Tanks coming from caterpillar tractors).

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I agree with Winchell that space fighters probably would not be really effective, plus you would see them coming a long way off. http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/r ... ighter.php

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You got to love a site that gives a definition of space fighter that specifically excludes FTL capability, while citing Star Wars as what made fighters popular.

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That is funny.

While the Star Wars fighters were cool and I love those sequences (they stand up suprisingly well for their age!), they were concerned with spectacle and not realism... I heard a rumour that the fighter tactics were inspired by WW1 aerial combat, which is why it's up close and personal, with manually controlled gun emplacements etc.

EDIT: I think the one missile we've seen in use in Start Wars...
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It is the most messed up!
By the way, what exactly did Spiral mean? Did she refer to Alex or Talon?
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SVlad wrote:
It is the most messed up!
By the way, what exactly did Spiral mean? Did she refer to Alex or Talon?
She was agreeing with Alex's statement. Just because you believe something to be true doesn't mean you can't also think it's a bad thing.

In American English saying "that's messed up" or "that's SO wrong" is not literally saying it isn't true... it's saying that it's unpleasant or unfair.

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Arioch wrote:
Turrosh Mak wrote:Of the people on the shuttle, who has children and how many? Do any have a male child?
The majority of Loroi warriors in this period will have at least one child, conceived during the mating time allotted as part of the reward for graduation. Most Loroi over the age of 35 will be old enough to have had a second child when, after the start of the war, essentially all off-duty warriors were granted mating privileges (resulting in the "Semoset boom" in population). Beyond that, additional mating rights are granted with achievements, such as decoration, certain levels of promotion, or certain service length milestones. You may also be awarded mating time if one of your offspring dies in the line of duty.

Of the characters on the shuttle whose backstories extend that far:
Fireblade, Talon and Spiral are childless. Talon & Spiral's post-graduation leave was cut short due to the need to rapidly deploy their unit into action; Spiral did not conceive in the shortened time available, and Talon's leave was suspended pending disciplinary action. The reasons behind Fireblade's childlessness will be addressed in the story.

Tempo has two daughters and a number of grand- and great-granddaughters (as her older daughter was old enough to have also had a second child in the "Semoset boom" -- Tempo's sister, second daughter, and second granddaughter are all about the same age). Beryl has a single child: a son, named Silver Moon. He is currently about four years old.
Does that explain some of beryl's interest and behavior towards Alex? She has a weird relationship that seems romantic but motherly at times

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CrimsonFALKE wrote:
Arioch wrote:
Turrosh Mak wrote:Of the people on the shuttle, who has children and how many? Do any have a male child?
The majority of Loroi warriors in this period will have at least one child, conceived during the mating time allotted as part of the reward for graduation. Most Loroi over the age of 35 will be old enough to have had a second child when, after the start of the war, essentially all off-duty warriors were granted mating privileges (resulting in the "Semoset boom" in population). Beyond that, additional mating rights are granted with achievements, such as decoration, certain levels of promotion, or certain service length milestones. You may also be awarded mating time if one of your offspring dies in the line of duty.

Of the characters on the shuttle whose backstories extend that far:
Fireblade, Talon and Spiral are childless. Talon & Spiral's post-graduation leave was cut short due to the need to rapidly deploy their unit into action; Spiral did not conceive in the shortened time available, and Talon's leave was suspended pending disciplinary action. The reasons behind Fireblade's childlessness will be addressed in the story.

Tempo has two daughters and a number of grand- and great-granddaughters (as her older daughter was old enough to have also had a second child in the "Semoset boom" -- Tempo's sister, second daughter, and second granddaughter are all about the same age). Beryl has a single child: a son, named Silver Moon. He is currently about four years old.
Does that explain some of beryl's interest and behavior towards Alex? She has a weird relationship that seems romantic but motherly at times
She did bring up did he have "those" kind of needs.

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So what are the familial relationships they have Jim?

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She did bring up did he have "those" kind of needs.
Maybe she is volunteering

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CrimsonFALKE wrote:So what are the familial relationships they have Jim?
If you mean the relationships of Tempo and Beryl with their offspring:

Tempo was born during peacetime, and into a caste that (at that time) allowed for a good chance to work close to home, and so Tempo and her mother and her own first-born daughter (who are not far apart in age by Loroi standards, especially for that time) were able to spend a lot of time together and became particularly close. Tempo's second daughter, Tempo's sister and Tempo's first grandchild were born around the same time and became very close as children, though this was after the start of the war and so haven't been able to spend as much time together as working adults. Though Tempo has been very busy since the start of the war, and especially since Greywind became emperor, she has kept in pretty good contact with her family on Perrein and elsewhere, if increasingly through correspondence.

Beryl was born to a young Semoset Boom mother during the Semoset campaign itself, aboard the cruiser New Moon. Just a few months after Beryl was taken off the ship, it was lost with all hands taking part in the Battle of the Tasinei Ways. I mention this because when Beryl gave birth to her own child during her training on Mezan, she named him "Silver Moon", partly in remembrance of her mother's ship. Moon is still in a Nedatan creche on Deinar. Beryl has only seen him a few times, as she has had few leave opportunities that allowed her to return to Deinar, and the upbringing methods for males often don't involve the mothers much, even when they are nearby.

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It's very cool that you created that level of backstory for all the characters.

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Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:So what are the familial relationships they have Jim?
If you mean the relationships of Tempo and Beryl with their offspring:

Tempo was born during peacetime, and into a caste that (at that time) allowed for a good chance to work close to home, and so Tempo and her mother and her own first-born daughter (who are not far apart in age by Loroi standards, especially for that time) were able to spend a lot of time together and became particularly close. Tempo's second daughter, Tempo's sister and Tempo's first grandchild were born around the same time and became very close as children, though this was after the start of the war and so haven't been able to spend as much time together as working adults. Though Tempo has been very busy since the start of the war, and especially since Greywind became emperor, she has kept in pretty good contact with her family on Perrein and elsewhere, if increasingly through correspondence.

Beryl was born to a young Semoset Boom mother during the Semoset campaign itself, aboard the cruiser New Moon. Just a few months after Beryl was taken off the ship, it was lost with all hands taking part in the Battle of the Tasinei Ways. I mention this because when Beryl gave birth to her own child during her training on Mezan, she named him "Silver Moon", partly in remembrance of her mother's ship. Moon is still in a Nedatan creche on Deinar. Beryl has only seen him a few times, as she has had few leave opportunities that allowed her to return to Deinar, and the upbringing methods for males often don't involve the mothers much, even when they are nearby.

Thats interesting can you tell me what his cretch life is like? I figure that won't be to much of a spoiler and what the hell does a male Loroi at that age look like I know Talon is 13.

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CrimsonFALKE wrote:Thats interesting can you tell me what his cretch life is like? I figure that won't be to much of a spoiler and what the hell does a male Loroi at that age look like I know Talon is 13.
At age four, Moon looks similar to a seven or eight year old human child. Education for male children isn't accelerated in the same way as for females; there is no diral phase and the Nedatan creche at this stage is sort of like an extended preschool... it's mostly organized play. A creche is like long-term childcare in which the children don't go home at the end of the day; they live there. Most male children start more formal schooling around age 6, but it depends on the child; some lag for several years, and they are usually not pressured to advance. Unlike the females who are sexually mature at around age 8, Loroi males don't become sexually active until about age 12, by which time they have normally completed primary education, and after which they begin an extended secondary education which may last for decades. Since Moon inherited his mother's Listel memory, he will most likely be trained as a Nedatan Ninzadi, a scholar, archivist or researcher.

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Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:Thats interesting can you tell me what his cretch life is like? I figure that won't be to much of a spoiler and what the hell does a male Loroi at that age look like I know Talon is 13.
At age four, Moon looks similar to a seven or eight year old human child. Education for male children isn't accelerated in the same way as for females; there is no diral phase and the Nedatan creche at this stage is sort of like an extended preschool... it's mostly organized play. A creche is like long-term childcare in which the children don't go home at the end of the day; they live there. Most male children start more formal schooling around age 6, but it depends on the child; some lag for several years, and they are usually not pressured to advance. Unlike the females who are sexually mature at around age 8, Loroi males don't become sexually active until about age 12, by which time they have normally completed primary education, and after which they begin an extended secondary education which may last for decades. Since Moon inherited his mother's Listel memory, he will most likely be trained as a Nedatan Ninzadi, a scholar, archivist or researcher.

Interesting good breeding then ensures Silver Moon has a comfy posting then very British. So final question what did the women caring for these boys do or not do to land themselves child care roles?

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CrimsonFALKE wrote:Interesting good breeding then ensures Silver Moon has a comfy posting then very British. So final question what did the women caring for these boys do or not do to land themselves child care roles?
Watching the children was traditionally the job of older female warriors who had perhaps suffered permanent injuries or were otherwise no longer operating in top form. This is still practiced to a certain extent, but as the Loroi progressed into the modern era and education became a more professional pursuit, educators and child care providers increasingly became trained specialists within each caste. Child care and education for males is considered among the highest priorities in the field and so the Nedatan caregivers are a special cadre of only the most highly qualified older female educators.

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Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:Interesting good breeding then ensures Silver Moon has a comfy posting then very British. So final question what did the women caring for these boys do or not do to land themselves child care roles?
Watching the children was traditionally the job of older female warriors who had perhaps suffered permanent injuries or were otherwise no longer operating in top form. This is still practiced to a certain extent, but as the Loroi progressed into the modern era and education became a more professional pursuit, educators and child care providers increasingly became trained specialists within each caste. Child care and education for males is considered among the highest priorities in the field and so the Nedatan caregivers are a special cadre of only the most highly qualified older female educators.
neat thanks

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