Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread

[Krulle]

And it is advantageous being able to read someone's own experience of how to access and perform these powers.
That memory sharing/telepathy is a tremendous valuable learning skill.

[GeoModder]

I wonder if a technique could be 'stolen' that way. Imagine a Mizol out to get to known a certain technique (for the greater caste good of course), and 'infiltrating' into the mind of one who knows how to use said technique.
Or are how such techniques are used too different of how data/info is 'stored' in ones mind?

[Werra]

I wonder if a technique could be 'stolen' that way. Imagine a Mizol out to get to known a certain technique (for the greater caste good of course), and 'infiltrating' into the mind of one who knows how to use said technique.
Or are how such techniques are used too different of how data/info is 'stored' in ones mind?

They shouldn't be. These techniques need to be taught in a form a Loroi can comprehend. If one can't access the understanding of the technique directly, the memories of the training sessions should be within reach.
The skill differential would need to be monumentous to steal this inconspiciously. Maybe it's doable when the target is a prisoner of war and care and secrecy can be disregarded.

Keeping an individual imprisoned that's skilled enough for you to consider such a krass treatment on must be a nightmare.

[GeoModder]

It might make a difference if such a 'thief' needs to have the ability of the telepathy technique she wants to obtain. A Mizol might not have a talent for say far-sensing, so even if she managed to get the required info from a Loroi who has the talent, the details of the technique are such its useless for a non-farseer to try to 'copy' for later sanzaing to a Listel or latent Farseer who could 'implement' the knowledge of the technique.

[Keklas Rekobah]

Surface thoughts might be "overheard" if the victim was thinking on the subject the "mind-thief" wanted to steal.  It would be like pressing one's ear up against the wall outside a conference room where an engineer was giving a presentation on a new product (e.g., the thief would not be in the conference room, and would likely not be detected by the occupants at all); but if the victim's mind was otherwise occupied, the thief would have to intrude into the victim's mind (the engineer's office), which would likely alert the victim and reveal the identity of the thief.

Of course, a highly-skilled scammer could use social engineering to guide the victim into thinking about a particular subject, at which time the victim's surface thoughts would "broadcast" the information the scammer was looking for, and no intrusion would be needed.

[inxsi]

Has there ever been a movement for allowing the daughters of civilians to be trained as warriors?

[captainsmirk]

Has there ever been a movement for allowing the daughters of civilians to be trained as warriors?

As I understand it very few Loroi civilians ever have children, the vast majority of Loroi civilians were born warriors and then failed (possibly by choice) the warrior trials.

[Arioch]

Has there ever been a movement for allowing the daughters of civilians to be trained as warriors?

As I understand it very few Loroi civilians ever have children, the vast majority of Loroi civilians were born warriors and then failed (possibly by choice) the warrior trials.

Daughters of civilians occasionally are trained as warriors, as a favor to a high-ranking civilian female, or if the child demonstrates powerful psi abilities. But as was mentioned, Loroi civilians don't normally have children. There are some powerful dynasties of civilian females that have been having children for generations; they don't want their daughters to train as warriors, because they want them to continue in the family business, and becoming a warrior would mean leaving civilian society.

[Dan Wyatt]

Daughters of civilians occasionally are trained as warriors, as a favor to a high-ranking civilian female, or if the child demonstrates powerful psi abilities. But as was mentioned, Loroi civilians don't normally have children. There are some powerful dynasties of civilian females that have been having children for generations; they don't want their daughters to train as warriors, because they want them to continue in the family business, and becoming a warrior would mean leaving civilian society.

Seems odd, if the daughters remain 'civilian', there's a high possibility that they may not be allowed to have children (as not every child will be successful in their lives, save for any male).
Also, I wanted to ask, what did Beryl do to be sent to the steppes front? She does not seem to be some political opponent of the current administration. She also has a son. Did she specifically make a 'request' for this posting? Like Ashrain?

[Arioch]

Daughters of civilians occasionally are trained as warriors, as a favor to a high-ranking civilian female, or if the child demonstrates powerful psi abilities. But as was mentioned, Loroi civilians don't normally have children. There are some powerful dynasties of civilian females that have been having children for generations; they don't want their daughters to train as warriors, because they want them to continue in the family business, and becoming a warrior would mean leaving civilian society.

Seems odd, if the daughters remain 'civilian', there's a high possibility that they may not be allowed to have children (as not every child will be successful in their lives, save for any male).

Well, if you're a wealthy business magnate with enough power to earn breeding rights, when your daughter grows up and takes over your business, it's likely that she'll also have enough power to do the same.

Also, I wanted to ask, what did Beryl do to be sent to the steppes front? She does not seem to be some political opponent of the current administration. She also has a son. Did she specifically 'requested' for this posting? Like Ashrain?

Especially for the lower ranks, assignment to the raider fleets is not a punishment; they have to send somebody. Especially for regular crews, it's a good chance to get some front-line experience. Normally crews get rotated in and out, but when raider fleets are busy and successful, sometimes they don't return to base for extended periods. When they do come back to base, they're reinforced with whoever is on hand, which is how Beryl and Talon's squadron came aboard.

Beryl is nobody important, born to a mother who was nobody important, and who died shortly after she was born. Having a son can increase your status when he comes of breeding age, but he's still a child.

[Zorg56]

Well, if you're a wealthy business magnate with enough power to earn breeding rights, when your daughter grows up and takes over your business, it's likely that she'll also have enough power to do the same.

What if this wealthy individual wants to make herself clone replacement instead of a child?
Is cloning like this treated the same way as having offspring or else?
If this individual have listel like memory it can even somewhat copy perso ality using telepathy theoretically, so, practically same person from society point of view.

[Dan Wyatt]

Well, if you're a wealthy business magnate with enough power to earn breeding rights, when your daughter grows up and takes over your business, it's likely that she'll also have enough power to do the same.

What if this wealthy individual wants to make herself clone replacement instead of a child?
Is cloning like this treated the same way as having offspring or else?
If this individual have listel like memory it can even somewhat copy perso ality using telepathy theoretically, so, practically same person from society point of view.

There might be legal and ethical issues among the Loroi regarding this.

[Arioch]

Well, if you're a wealthy business magnate with enough power to earn breeding rights, when your daughter grows up and takes over your business, it's likely that she'll also have enough power to do the same.

What if this wealthy individual wants to make herself clone replacement instead of a child?
Is cloning like this treated the same way as having offspring or else?
If this individual have listel like memory it can even somewhat copy perso ality using telepathy theoretically, so, practically same person from society point of view.

If by "clone" you mean a manufactured fully-adult copy, that's not possible at this tech level.

A real clone is an embryonic cell with its nucleus replaced with one from the "parent"; it still needs to be birthed and raised as a normal child. Which is illegal without authorization.

[inxsi]

Any Loroi who have been under the Umiak sphere of influence (such as on occupied worlds) have been flagged as security risks; they are under strict surveillance and travel restrictions. The Umiak can and have placed agents among the survivors of ocupation.

Do the loroi under this level of scrutiny ever get cleared of suspicion?

[Arioch]

Any Loroi who have been under the Umiak sphere of influence (such as on occupied worlds) have been flagged as security risks; they are under strict surveillance and travel restrictions. The Umiak can and have placed agents among the survivors of ocupation.

Do the loroi under this level of scrutiny ever get cleared of suspicion?

To a degree, but there will be an asterisk next to their name, until the end of the war at least.

[GeoModder]

I recon in the case of Fireblade this surveillance can be quite risky, her being such a powerful psychokinetic and such.

[Krulle]

Hence she'll remain on the frontier, to prove that any suspicions on her are wrong; or die there in a try to prove the suspicions wrong.

A real witch trial.

[inxsi]

Hence she'll remain on the frontier, to prove that any suspicions on her are wrong; or die there in a try to prove the suspicions wrong.

A real witch trial.

I had forgotten about Fireblade's history while asking this. Unless I'm mistaken, she is the highest ranking teidar on the Tempest so someone must have been convinced that she is less of a risk or the loroi are extremely bloodthirsty in how they try to find out if a loroi is a mole. I wonder how Tempo feels about her being around Alex.

[Keklas Rekobah]

[...] I wonder how Tempo feels about her being around Alex.

I doubt that any of the Loroi characters would have any personal affection for Alex.  It seems more likely they would perceive him (e.g., his neurophysiology) as a potential asset for aiding and advancing their cause.

After all, Beryl IS holding a lasgun at Alex's back, n'est pas?

[gaerzi]

After all, Beryl IS holding a lasgun at Alex's back, n'cest pas?

* N'est-ce pas.

The point was that Alex is seen as a potential bug plot, and Fireblade is also seen as a potential bug plot.