Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread

[Bamax]

Is there any information on how long it takes the loroi to recover from injuries with their technology? Like Fireblade's eye injury from page 180?

I haven't given it a lot of thought, but I think treating an eye injury like that would involve both surgery and gene therapy, which I'm guessing might take about a month to construct the replacement eye, and then several months of recovery and rehabilitation for her to both heal and learn how to use the new eye.

Instead of growing the organ outside the body and then implanting it, they could stimulate the cells to regrow the tissue/implant cells as a starter. It would mean less invasive surgeries and the body could relearn to use the organ while it is growing.
It shouldn't be more difficult to make cells grow inside a body than it is in a petri dish. All they need to do is reactivate cell behaviour from early life. If I were a Soia, I would have put in place a system for the Loroi body to regrow tissue that can be activated easily with space age medical care.

The Loroi some have said are in beta production. They are not what they are supposed to be....yet.


Kind of like a metaphor for humans don't ya think?

Always aspiring to be more than what we are.

[Ithekro]

Umiak effective beam weapon range seems to start around 40,000 to 50,000 km depending on the model of beam weapon. They use missiles to cover their approach until they get to those ranges where their more damaging weapons can wreck Loroi ships.

Loroi blasters and pulse cannons can fire farther away than Umiak plasma focuses, but do less damage. They do enough to take out Umiak gunboats and other smaller ships before they get into range, but if their weapons are forced to take out torpedoes as well, the Umiak can get in closer where their guns are effective.

Effective ranges would be such that ships getting within 10,000 km should be uncommon, or at least undesirable. Within 15,000 km, the high acceleration anti-missile missiles on Loroi ships could start doing heavy damage to Umiak ships. Even Earth lasers are effective by 20,000 km. Only the mass drivers need to get super close (2,000 - 4,000 km) to be effective against high acceleration targets.

The Loroi don't have the industrial capacity to support massed missile combat. The Umiak do.

[Bamax]

The Loroi don't have the industrial capacity to support massed missile combat. The Umiak do.

Ummm.....Earth does!

And mixing Earth tech with Loroi tech should be quite scary (orion Type A missiles FTW) if the Loroi can keep the Umiak off Earth long enough.


But I am not writing the story anyway. Besides in my scenario the Loroi would likely have to give up territory just to help win the war, as I doubt they can protect Earth AND all the homeworlds at the same time. Something has to give.

We are talking Seren all over again, no Loroi wants that.

[Ithekro]

Earth and Mars (the two industrial powerhouses of Humanity) and their four colonies across 35 light years of space aren't going to be able to do a lot compared to the Loroi's 300 light year spanning empire. Not with less than 50 years of experience with what they have for warship technology compared to over a millennia of having jump drives, and about 500 years as a the Loroi Union with multiple species as part of the faction.

And somehow I don't think an orion style missile will work with Type A fuel. Nor have I ever thought an orion style weapon to be practical. It might work, but I always think that the cost would outweigh its usefulness.

[Bamax]

Earth and Mars (the two industrial powerhouses of Humanity) and their four colonies across 35 light years of space aren't going to be able to do a lot compared to the Loroi's 300 light year spanning empire. Not with less than 50 years of experience with what they have for warship technology compared to over a millennia of having jump drives, and about 500 years as a the Loroi Union with multiple species as part of the faction.

And somehow I don't think an orion style missile will work with Type A fuel. Nor have I ever thought an orion style weapon to be practical. It might work, but I always think that the cost would outweigh its usefulness.

Perhaps....but let us assume an Orion Type A missile were viable....because I have the calculations. And they are SHOCKING.

This page provides multiple meter per second conversions for several g-force numbers.

https://convertlive.com/u/convert/g-uni ... nd-squared

1000g is in g-units = 98066.5 Metres per second squared.

So with a single pulse blast (missile has 59 pulse bombs left)) an Orion missile with 1000g pulse could cover 10,000 kilometers in a bit over.....TEN SECONDS.

Faster still if it fired a few more pulses along the way.


I concede Earth may be too backward to help much, but given the math, assuming type A orion missiles are viable, that would outperform all Loroi and Umiak missiles, just not their beams.

You can do calculations for other Loroi missiles using same site....and they are slower by several degrees.

The 10,000 kilometers a type A orion can cover in a little over ten seconds is likely to take relatively lower acceleration Loroi/Umiak anti-ballistic missiles minutes, or at least over a minute at their very best if they can manage that.

Earth does not need to do anymore than give them the death st-...I mean Orion plans translated in Trade.

[Krulle]

I just wonder though, if that missile will make a lot of damage. The pusher plates need to be pretty massive (a lot less than a pusher plate for a ship which is intended to survive combat), and thus you're creating a kinetic missile more than an explosive missile.
What if that missile then misses?
It will be a lot less efficient at altering/adjusting its course than a conventional missile.
If pulses are left when hitting the enemy, these pulses can do some damage too if used as normal explosives.

But as mentioned before, those missiles will be VERY expensive, and difficult to handle.
For the same amount of space on a ship, and cost of manufacturing, it seems you'll get a lot more out of conventional missiles.
Which you can use to try to box in an enemy...



But yeah, war/is was seldom a time for cost-benefit analysis, but often for maximum impact weapons.
And in that regard, an Orion-type missile may sound great.

[Arioch]

Is there any information on how long it takes the loroi to recover from injuries with their technology? Like Fireblade's eye injury from page 180?

I haven't given it a lot of thought, but I think treating an eye injury like that would involve both surgery and gene therapy, which I'm guessing might take about a month to construct the replacement eye, and then several months of recovery and rehabilitation for her to both heal and learn how to use the new eye.

Instead of growing the organ outside the body and then implanting it, they could stimulate the cells to regrow the tissue/implant cells as a starter. It would mean less invasive surgeries and the body could relearn to use the organ while it is growing.
It shouldn't be more difficult to make cells grow inside a body than it is in a petri dish. All they need to do is reactivate cell behaviour from early life. If I were a Soia, I would have put in place a system for the Loroi body to regrow tissue that can be activated easily with space age medical care.

I figure that regenerating an organ in a reasonable amount of time will probably involve a lattice seeded with stem cells and a variety of biochemical turbochargers that you probably don't want to expose someone's living body to.

[Bamax]

I just wonder though, if that missile will make a lot of damage. The pusher plates need to be pretty massive (a lot less than a pusher plate for a ship which is intended to survive combat), and thus you're creating a kinetic missile more than an explosive missile.
What if that missile then misses?
It will be a lot less efficient at altering/adjusting its course than a conventional missile.
If pulses are left when hitting the enemy, these pulses can do some damage too if used as normal explosives.

But as mentioned before, those missiles will be VERY expensive, and difficult to handle.
For the same amount of space on a ship, and cost of manufacturing, it seems you'll get a lot more out of conventional missiles.
Which you can use to try to box in an enemy...



But yeah, war/is was seldom a time for cost-benefit analysis, but often for maximum impact weapons.
And in that regard, an Orion-type missile may sound great.

A,manned Orion is big because it has to be. AM, or it's equibalent, allows one to make a smaller version simply due to energy density.

A few grams of antimatter equal big boom.But we could easily.do more than that.


And massive won't need to be. A thin film of oil on solid metal balls that were basketball size at ground zero for a nuke detonation survived totally intact.

The oil layer vaporized, but the shock of the plasma was so hard the balls were found miles away.


Huge no, just large. enough for 60 b-balls. a plate, and whatever else.

Smaller than a blister or shuttle or fighter.

Expensive? Metal and bombs they know how to make.

It's arguably cheaper than making complex 30gr ocket torpedoes!


LATE EDIT: There is one major drawback....time. The moment the Umiak see the Loroi do this they would begin copying them, since they have much the same technology if the Loroi could not end the war before the Umiak managed to fully adopt Orion missile tech, the war is lost to the Loroi.

Since Umiak would use regular missile screens, and then spam 1000g orion missiles at closer ranges. Even the Loroi could not persevere against that indefinirely.


Also due to the sheer power of Type A orion propulsion, you must deploy it from the ship, then fly off a safe distance before it ignites the first bomb. Since at close range a Type A Orion missile would damage the ship that launched it from the blast of Type A in the first pulse bomb.

You really don't want Type A Orion missiles flying close to each other as they launch unless you can ensure none are behind each other, since they would incinerate them or blow them backward.

[kfcroc18]

I don't know if this was asked and answered, so heard it is. How do the Loroi treat their veterans?

[Bamax]

I presume with telepathy all five senses can be engaged?

Touch. Smell. Sight. Taste. Touch.

In other words, at least part of the reason Beryl is SO interested in Alex is because she is a Listel doing her job.

She is a living encyclopedia, that any Loroi can touch and know what Alex smells like, what he said, what he looks like, and what he has done, but only from Beryl's perspective?

Is that right?

It also goes without saying that if Beryl ever becomes romantic with Alex....other Loroi could know what that was like for Beryl, assuming Beryl links with them via skin to skin touch. A deep telepathic link.

Does this work across sexes? For example, if a male Loroi and a female are.....you know...could the male suddenly mentally feel what his female partner was feeling and back and forth....because deep telepath link?


How far down the rabbit hole does telepathy go? What are it's limits? What can you NOT know or experience via telepathy, because Alex had a very realistic number of visions from Fireblade with smell and touch.

[Krulle]

I don't know if this was asked and answered, so heard it is. How do the Loroi treat their veterans?

Which veterans?

If you don't climb the ladder, the enhanced designed genetics mean, that they stay in the service until even medtech cannot revive them anymore.

[MBehave]

Actually the Loroi point defense lasers outclass other weapons combined on many of their larger ships, its not the damage they do per shot but their high rate of fire compared to Umiak/Loroi heavier hitting weapons 3 barrels per mount and high number of mounts...

The tempest weapons avg damage every 60 seconds min/max
02x2 Heavy Blaster 16-36
04x2 Pulse Cannon 2.6-64
12x3 Laser Autocannon 216-288

even at 120000km they are still doing 36damage per minute on average with is actually significantly higher then the Pulse cannons or Heavy Blasters.
Loroi lasers are the best weapons they have at 120000km or below, at 30000km and below they out DPS the Umiak, Umiak may want to get in close but they don't want to get too close or they will be carved up by the lasers.

Umiak effective beam weapon range seems to start around 40,000 to 50,000 km depending on the model of beam weapon. They use missiles to cover their approach until they get to those ranges where their more damaging weapons can wreck Loroi ships.

Loroi blasters and pulse cannons can fire farther away than Umiak plasma focuses, but do less damage. They do enough to take out Umiak gunboats and other smaller ships before they get into range, but if their weapons are forced to take out torpedoes as well, the Umiak can get in closer where their guns are effective.

Effective ranges would be such that ships getting within 10,000 km should be uncommon, or at least undesirable. Within 15,000 km, the high acceleration anti-missile missiles on Loroi ships could start doing heavy damage to Umiak ships. Even Earth lasers are effective by 20,000 km. Only the mass drivers need to get super close (2,000 - 4,000 km) to be effective against high acceleration targets.

The Loroi don't have the industrial capacity to support massed missile combat. The Umiak do.

[GeoModder]

I don't know if this was asked and answered, so heard it is. How do the Loroi treat their veterans?

They attach them to a Khalkha division...

[inxsi]

I don't know if this was asked and answered, so heard it is. How do the Loroi treat their veterans?

Which veterans?

If you don't climb the ladder, the enhanced designed genetics mean, that they stay in the service until even medtech cannot revive them anymore.

Something similar to this (though I imagine some might be used to train up the next group of warriors at some point). There are a few bits towards the bottom of the loroi insider page.

SpoilerShow

Once a Loroi has completed warrior trials, she is part of the society’s elite, and enjoys a comparatively high standard of living, even if she never rises above the lowest rank. Unless she is dishonorably discharged for some reason, she will never "retire" into civilian life. As a warrior, she may sometimes have to dig latrines and her life may frequently be in danger, but that is considered part of a warrior’s duty. If she doesn’t like it, she can choose to suffer the ignominy of demotion to the civilian class. Loroi culture is a warrior culture, instilled with warrior values from birth. Every billet on a starship is much coveted by a large number of available candidates.

...

Do the Loroi have anything resembling retirement??

Unless they have specific health problems or injuries, most Loroi are capable of work until shortly before they die, and so "retirement" is usually a short period of failing health. If a Loroi warrior becomes mentally incompetent or infirm, then she is placed into the military health care system, where either she will be restored to health and active status, or else she will be cared for until she dies. Many of the larger civilian guilds have similar health care systems.

[Arioch]

I don't know if this was asked and answered, so heard it is. How do the Loroi treat their veterans?

Loroi warriors don't retire into civilian life; they stay warriors for life, with all of the privileges that entails. Loroi don't slowly deteriorate as they age the way we do, so they can usually continue in their professions right up until shortly before they die. Loroi medicine can repair most injury, but any warriors who become unable to fulfill their duties are shifted to less strenuous positions. Loroi who become completely and irreparably incapacitated are placed on permanent leave, but still retain their rank and warrior status, and the level of care that guarantees.

[inxsi]

Did the loroi have any successful ground campaigns against the umiak before they retook Seren? At least, anything that would be notable?

[Arioch]

Did the loroi have any successful ground campaigns against the umiak before they retook Seren? At least, anything that would be notable?

It wasn't just Seren that was retaken in the Semoset offensive, but that whole section of the front. Something like a dozen systems including Azimol and Mosi. There was probably also some back and forth in the time leading up to the offensive.

None of these actions were particularly "notable." Ground campaigns in this war are just mopping up operations.

[inxsi]

I understand that they are mopping up operations, but imagine some of the fighting could be very fierce.

Do the loroi ever have issues with two loroi assigned to the same ship/unit have the same name? I assume that the richness of sanzai would mean that it is not an issue when communicating in that way, but would they use nicknames or abbreviations if it would cause confusion on the radio?

[Bamax]

Did the loroi have any successful ground campaigns against the umiak before they retook Seren? At least, anything that would be notable?

It wasn't just Seren that was retaken in the Semoset offensive, but that whole section of the front. Something like a dozen systems including Azimol and Mosi. There was probably also some back and forth in the time leading up to the offensive.

None of these actions were particularly "notable." Ground campaigns in this war are just mopping up operations.

I think Arioch is implying that neither the Loroi or the Umiak are foolish enough to leave a lot of military personnel behind on worlds they know they can no longer defend. Especially if it was an invasion force, because they would be wiped out or taken captive if you left them behind when the Loroi retake the world.

Massive Umiak invasion armies are not left behind when Loroi retake captured worlds, since that would be futile I presume.

Just a theory. Which is why the battles are not notable, it's just mopping up the Umiak who were left behind.

Again just my theory....I could be wrong.

[Arioch]

I understand that they are mopping up operations, but imagine some of the fighting could be very fierce.

Sure, dozens of battles on dozens of planets, clearing out hidden defenders, dealing with boobytrapped infrastructure, boobytrapped civilians, etc., but nothing that you would point to and say "this was a key battle."

Do the loroi ever have issues with two loroi assigned to the same ship/unit have the same name? I assume that the richness of sanzai would mean that it is not an issue when communicating in that way, but would they use nicknames or abbreviations if it would cause confusion on the radio?

Like today's military personnel talking over the radio in combat, they use callsigns and not their real names.